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It is becuase we use mostly Chinse missiles which are cheaper and we have assembly workshop for them as well.
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Ulsan class is out of production.The standard Ulsan class didn't even had missiles.We had to spend extra $100 million in just refitting and modifying the ship to carry mordern missiles.
S.K now has the deadly VLS equipped Incheon Batch 3 which would turn the tide of the game.
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how many of these has been built till date?Yup Very modern.....and full stealth design with VLS.
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That would be zero. No FFX Batch III's built yet. Concept only.
They are still building Incheon class Future Frigate eXperimental (FFX) Batch II's until 2018 - the difference between Batch II and future Batch III is of course improved weapons fit (more indigenous South Korean systems with USA ToT) and most notably a much more stealthy design for the sensor/communications/radar mast amidships. Batch II still has VLS and is much closer in design compared to Batch III, than say - the much earlier Batch I. In fact, Batch II looks nothing like the Batch I...
Here's an image of the Batch II FFX (Daegu, pennant 818) commissioned last June (2016).
Key Points
- South Korea has launched its first FFX-II guided-missile frigate
- Platform is on track to be commissioned by the end of 2018
The ship, which has been named Daegu with pennant number 818, was launched on 2 June at the company's shipyard in Okpo. The FFX-II platform is a larger variant of the Incheon (FFX-I)-class ships that are in service with the Republic of Korea Navy (RoKN).
According to specifications provided by DSME, the platform features an overall length of 122 m and an overall beam of 14 m. The ship has a standard displacement of 2,800 tonnes and a full load displacement of 3,600 tonnes. Powered by one Rolls-Royce MT30 turbine engine and four diesel generators in a combined diesel-electric or gas (CoDoG) configuration, the ship can attain a maximum speed of 30 kt, the company said.
The FFX-II platform is armed with one 127 mm Mk 45 Mod 4 naval gun and one aft-facing, six-barrelled, 20 mm Raytheon Phalanx close-in weapon system. The ship has also been equipped with a 16-cell Korean vertical launching system for defence against aerial threats and six 324 mm torpedo tubes for submarine prosecution.
The ship can accommodate a crew of 120 and one medium helicopter on its flight deck.
Daegu is scheduled for delivery to the RoKN in late 2017 and expected to be commissioned in late 2018, DSME said. A contract for a second vessel in the class is expected to be issued by the South Korean government this year.
(It is my opinion - that the US supplied or ToT nature of the 16-cell VLS missiles on this ship, although Korean, could have issues to be supplied to Bangladesh if US refuses to supply them. Same with the Phalanx close-in Gatling gun defense as well as aft-mounted missiles other than the VLS launched ones. So I still see question marks. There is no such issue with China.
In any case, Bangladesh' next frigate will have to have VLS as well as a stealth outline like this one. I believe the next Chinese 054 class, maybe the 054 B/C may follow suit.)
@Penguin bhai for his expert comments and Thanks in advance - Sir.
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DSME unveiled the FFX Incheon class Batch II, ROK Navy's future multipurpose frigates
The scale model of the Incheon class frigate Batch II was unveiled by DSME in the 63rd anniversary festival of the Incheon landing operation in the Korean War. Key updates of the Batch II over the ASW-focused Batch I include VLS and full electric propulsion system, as well as a larger hangar that can accomodate a 10-ton helicopter (Batch-I has hangar for lighter helicopters like AW159). About 8 ships of Batch II are going to be built in pairs by DSME until 2018. Some items like the MT30 gas turbine engines for the new propulsion system are already being delivered.
Based on this scale model, Incheon Batch II Frigates will be fitted with a 127mm main gun, a Phalanx CIWS, 16x KVLS cells, Sonata detection system, 3D and 2D radar, tracking radar, EOTS system, Sonata jamming system, MASS, torpedo tubes, 8x antiship launchers.
(Picture: Internet)
It seems like DSME kept in mind growth space for the future evolution of the Batch-II design. They will be able to put in more VLS on the frigate if they need them for Batch III ships, possivly 48 cells in total if 2x16 VLS are placed side by side behind the existing module. Meanwhile, Batch II seems to retain most sensors from Batch I: the AESA surveillance radar, a fire director radar plus EOTS. A mast MFR will eventually replace these piecemeal sensors from Batch III.
DSME unveiled the FFX Incheon class Batch II, ROK Navy's future multipurpose frigates
(Picture: Internet)
LIG Nex1 will provide a range of ship-launched SAMs which will see their first use with FFX Batch II (and with LST-II and MLS-II that use the same sensors as FFX or PKX). There was an opening ceremony of the new missile production facility recently.
The FFX VLS will also be able to employ VLS-launched variants of Haesung-I and Haesung-II series missiles (short-range tactical missile and long-range 'strategic' missile). Lastly, the Red Shark VL-ASROC will be added to Incheon's existing ASW kit.
New in Batch III FFX will be the Korean Naval Shield ICMS (Korean version of Naval CMS will ape the Lockheed Martin version methinks). Remains to be seen whether this entire system (with networked weapons systems) will be able to be supplied to Bangladesh. Even if it is supplied, it will be quite expensive to integrate into the various Chinese-supplied weapons. Chinese CMS will be better option with Chinese sensors and weapons systems of course.
Comparison of various Naval CMS systems by writer from Indian Naval standpoint.....
Naval Combat Management Systems
By Lt General Naresh Chand (Retd)
Naval Combat Management System is a software-intensive system which has to be flexible enough to operate in a complex naval battle environment
A Naval Combat Management System (NCMS) has to perform the following key functions:
Situational Awareness. To be aware of the battle environment at sea which includes surface, subsurface and air. This is collected through sensors like radars, electro–optical systems and sonar.
Intelligence. Convert the above information into actionable intelligence by interpretation, collation, evaluation thereby producing a common operational picture.
Planning and decision-making. This step helps the commanders to rapidly make an actionable plan for decision-making and implementation, in a rapidly changing complex battle environment.
Weapon systems command and control. An effective NCMS will also direct weapon sensors and weapons to engage and destroy incoming threat.
The above functions are carried by the NCMS through the crew, sensors and weapon systems. The whole system could be part of the network-centric warfare (NCW) where each system becomes a separate node with similar nodes on other vessels. NCW concept is more autonomous than hierarchical. NCMS is a software-intensive system which has to be flexible enough to operate in a complex naval battle environment, electronically interact with other sub-systems and be inter-operable with systems of vessels of own navy as well navies of friendly countries. It should be able to cope with mass information with minimum crews. NCMS is simple in concept but complex in designing as it has to be tailor-made to suit the operational doctrines and hardware held by a specific navy. It should have open architecture to provide flexibility. Some examples of such systems are given in succeeding paragraphs.
Thales
Tacticos. Thales’ answer to the naval combat management system is the CMS family called Tacticos. It is a single CMS for combat and maritime security operations. With its certified openness and scalability of the underlying architecture, Thales delivers a modular Combat Management System, matched to multiple mission profiles and to a variety of vessel types. Open standards technology and a massive amount of subsystems interface implementations, make Tacticos the core of the mission solution. The latest version enables the navies to:
Compact Sensor & Control System (CSCS). The Compact Sensor & Control System caters for the small ship market providing command and control and even AIS if required. It can be integrated with fire control systems in order to achieve full combat system capabilities. It is based on open-standards and architecture and uses COTS technology.
Commander C3. This is Marine Command, Control, and Communications System for non-Combatant applications. It provides seamless near realtime sharing of the Common Operating Picture (contact data, messages, and geo-referenced map overlays) between vessels, helicopters, and shore installations. Commander C3 also provides gateway interfaces to achieve interoperability with major naval data link standards. The system is ideal for both civilian and military users who require an effective, affordable solution to address the technical and interoperability challengse associated with cooperation and coordination of various maritime agencies.
SAAB
A Saab 9LV CMS system comes with all the operational capability and functionality required by the ship’s Command which is well suited for all types of platforms ranging from small patrol vessels up to large frigates. Saab can integrate any sub-system selected by the customer. Due to effective situational awareness and rapid precision tactical response in all warfare domains, 9LV provides the ship and the command team with efficient operational capabilities in support of all mission types, both in the open ocean as well as in littoral regions. It can also meet asymmetric threats, as well as modern and estimated future threat types. It provides a range of options for integration of the user interfaces of equipment/sub-systems, for example, through hosted vendor clients, web services, thin clients or fully-integrated human machine interfaces. It also provides touch-input display with soft keys. It can easily be integrated with other sub-systems like weapon systems. A Saab 9LV CMS system comes with all the operational capability and functionality required by the ship’s command. There are more than 200 systems installed worldwide.
Lockheed Martin
The ship’s battle management system, called COMBATSS-21, is produced by Lockheed Martin and derived from the US Navy’s latest Aegis surface combatants. The COMBATSS-21 Combat Management System is the backbone of the Freedom-variant self-defence suite and integrates the radar, electro-optical infrared cameras, gun fire control system, countermeasures and short-range anti-air missiles. COMBATSS-21 provides a flexible, reliable next-generation defence system for the LCS. Its mission capabilities include intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance; mine warfare; surface warfare; special operations; anti-submarine warfare; maritime interdiction/interception operations; homeland defence and anti-terrorism/force protection.
The system provides a scalable, services-based framework. Custom software “adapters” called boundary components are the key to the flexibility of the architecture to support a wide range of sensors, communication, and weapon interfaces. Boundary components simplify integration of system elements and provide flexibility to accommodate future change. The componentised and layered architecture enables upgrades and changes to any part of the system with minimal impact to the remaining software. Customer defined sensors, communication and weapons are easily integrated and isolated from core components of the command and control system. New components can easily be incorporated to address the unique needs of the customer. Because of its modern architecture, COMBATSS-21 can be hosted on configurations ranging from a single commercial processor running a commercial operating system to more distributed configurations. This makes it readily adaptable to a wide variety of shipboard applications from patrol craft to large deck ships. Its proven software meets requirements for a low-risk, affordable solution that can be easily upgraded to meet evolving threats and environments throughout the ship’s life-cycle.
DCNS
POLARIS® is a sea-proven compact solution designed to fulfil the need of navies and coast guards. The system features surveillance and protection capabilities for littoral or exclusive economical zones operations. POLARIS® is particularly well adapted to offshore patrol vessel, fast attack craft, fast patrol boat and landing platform dock/landing helicopter dock. Other features are:
ENTCS 2000 Naval Combat Management Systems is designed to assure “knowledge superiority” over potential enemies, shorten decision-making cycles and execute rapid and accurate weapon engagement in the task force. Simultaneously it ensures optimum response to changing events. Based on open, fully distributed architecture and COTS building blocks, the system has enhanced redundancy and no single point of failure. Modular design and scalability assure compatibility with a broad range of existing systems and platforms, from small patrol boats to frigates and from command centres to maritime patrol aircraft and helicopters.
BAE Systems
BAE Systems is the sole supplier and integrator of NCMS for the UK Royal Navy’s surface and sub-surface fleet. Their experience in command and information systems includes interfaces to a wide range of combat system equipment and leading European and US weapon systems. The CMS family supports planning, tactical picture compilation, decision-making and weapon control to meet multiple emergent threats in blue water and littoral operations. CMS-1 is the heart of the combat system, providing situational awareness and weapon control from its intuitive consoles.
CMS-1 was developed for the UK Royal Navy’s Type 45 Destroyers and will support it in service with the Royal Navy for at least the next three decades. A plan of through-life technology refresh and capability upgrades will ensure that CMS-1 continues to meet operational requirements in the future. CMS-1 supports NATO and other coalition operations, and there is a constant effort to evolve programmes to enhance the network enabled capabilities of its sensors and command systems on a number of additional naval ships.
L&T
Combat Management Systems includes the following:
Selex ES has developed a family of NCMS solutions named ATHENA with variants to suit various roles. Details are:
Architecture & Technologies Handling Electronic Naval Applications (ATHENA). Athena is state-of-the-art CMS solution, to perform any type of combat mission applied across any class of surface vessels. It is designed to easily integrate every type of sensor, weapon or support system. It provides the command team with the strategic and tactical situation awareness, and effectively manages all deployed force assets and own ship’s resources to accomplish naval objectives and missions.
ATHENA-P is the NCMS developed to provide C2 capabilities on vessels without missiles guidance (i.e. mine hunters, and fast patrol boats, and patrol vessels for paramilitary organisations).
ATHENA-C is the NCMS developed to address the requirements for all classes of combat vessels (fast attack craft, corvettes, frigates, destroyers and aircraft carriers).
The scale model of the Incheon class frigate Batch II was unveiled by DSME in the 63rd anniversary festival of the Incheon landing operation in the Korean War. Key updates of the Batch II over the ASW-focused Batch I include VLS and full electric propulsion system, as well as a larger hangar that can accomodate a 10-ton helicopter (Batch-I has hangar for lighter helicopters like AW159). About 8 ships of Batch II are going to be built in pairs by DSME until 2018. Some items like the MT30 gas turbine engines for the new propulsion system are already being delivered.
Based on this scale model, Incheon Batch II Frigates will be fitted with a 127mm main gun, a Phalanx CIWS, 16x KVLS cells, Sonata detection system, 3D and 2D radar, tracking radar, EOTS system, Sonata jamming system, MASS, torpedo tubes, 8x antiship launchers.
(Picture: Internet)
It seems like DSME kept in mind growth space for the future evolution of the Batch-II design. They will be able to put in more VLS on the frigate if they need them for Batch III ships, possivly 48 cells in total if 2x16 VLS are placed side by side behind the existing module. Meanwhile, Batch II seems to retain most sensors from Batch I: the AESA surveillance radar, a fire director radar plus EOTS. A mast MFR will eventually replace these piecemeal sensors from Batch III.
DSME unveiled the FFX Incheon class Batch II, ROK Navy's future multipurpose frigates
(Picture: Internet)
LIG Nex1 will provide a range of ship-launched SAMs which will see their first use with FFX Batch II (and with LST-II and MLS-II that use the same sensors as FFX or PKX). There was an opening ceremony of the new missile production facility recently.
The FFX VLS will also be able to employ VLS-launched variants of Haesung-I and Haesung-II series missiles (short-range tactical missile and long-range 'strategic' missile). Lastly, the Red Shark VL-ASROC will be added to Incheon's existing ASW kit.
New in Batch III FFX will be the Korean Naval Shield ICMS (Korean version of Naval CMS will ape the Lockheed Martin version methinks). Remains to be seen whether this entire system (with networked weapons systems) will be able to be supplied to Bangladesh. Even if it is supplied, it will be quite expensive to integrate into the various Chinese-supplied weapons. Chinese CMS will be better option with Chinese sensors and weapons systems of course.
Comparison of various Naval CMS systems by writer from Indian Naval standpoint.....
Naval Combat Management Systems
By Lt General Naresh Chand (Retd)
A Naval Combat Management System (NCMS) has to perform the following key functions:
Situational Awareness. To be aware of the battle environment at sea which includes surface, subsurface and air. This is collected through sensors like radars, electro–optical systems and sonar.
Intelligence. Convert the above information into actionable intelligence by interpretation, collation, evaluation thereby producing a common operational picture.
Planning and decision-making. This step helps the commanders to rapidly make an actionable plan for decision-making and implementation, in a rapidly changing complex battle environment.
Weapon systems command and control. An effective NCMS will also direct weapon sensors and weapons to engage and destroy incoming threat.
The above functions are carried by the NCMS through the crew, sensors and weapon systems. The whole system could be part of the network-centric warfare (NCW) where each system becomes a separate node with similar nodes on other vessels. NCW concept is more autonomous than hierarchical. NCMS is a software-intensive system which has to be flexible enough to operate in a complex naval battle environment, electronically interact with other sub-systems and be inter-operable with systems of vessels of own navy as well navies of friendly countries. It should be able to cope with mass information with minimum crews. NCMS is simple in concept but complex in designing as it has to be tailor-made to suit the operational doctrines and hardware held by a specific navy. It should have open architecture to provide flexibility. Some examples of such systems are given in succeeding paragraphs.
Thales
Tacticos. Thales’ answer to the naval combat management system is the CMS family called Tacticos. It is a single CMS for combat and maritime security operations. With its certified openness and scalability of the underlying architecture, Thales delivers a modular Combat Management System, matched to multiple mission profiles and to a variety of vessel types. Open standards technology and a massive amount of subsystems interface implementations, make Tacticos the core of the mission solution. The latest version enables the navies to:
- Set up networks in coalitions with secure Internet access with ease.
- Rapidly recognise traffic trends and anomalous behaviour.
- Identifies relations between contacts of interest emitting Automatic Identification System (AIS) and Automatic Dependant Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B).
- Compact and light-weight consoles which can be fitted in large and small naval vessels.
- 3D net-centric training integrated in Tacticos.
Compact Sensor & Control System (CSCS). The Compact Sensor & Control System caters for the small ship market providing command and control and even AIS if required. It can be integrated with fire control systems in order to achieve full combat system capabilities. It is based on open-standards and architecture and uses COTS technology.
Commander C3. This is Marine Command, Control, and Communications System for non-Combatant applications. It provides seamless near realtime sharing of the Common Operating Picture (contact data, messages, and geo-referenced map overlays) between vessels, helicopters, and shore installations. Commander C3 also provides gateway interfaces to achieve interoperability with major naval data link standards. The system is ideal for both civilian and military users who require an effective, affordable solution to address the technical and interoperability challengse associated with cooperation and coordination of various maritime agencies.
SAAB
A Saab 9LV CMS system comes with all the operational capability and functionality required by the ship’s Command which is well suited for all types of platforms ranging from small patrol vessels up to large frigates. Saab can integrate any sub-system selected by the customer. Due to effective situational awareness and rapid precision tactical response in all warfare domains, 9LV provides the ship and the command team with efficient operational capabilities in support of all mission types, both in the open ocean as well as in littoral regions. It can also meet asymmetric threats, as well as modern and estimated future threat types. It provides a range of options for integration of the user interfaces of equipment/sub-systems, for example, through hosted vendor clients, web services, thin clients or fully-integrated human machine interfaces. It also provides touch-input display with soft keys. It can easily be integrated with other sub-systems like weapon systems. A Saab 9LV CMS system comes with all the operational capability and functionality required by the ship’s command. There are more than 200 systems installed worldwide.
Lockheed Martin
The ship’s battle management system, called COMBATSS-21, is produced by Lockheed Martin and derived from the US Navy’s latest Aegis surface combatants. The COMBATSS-21 Combat Management System is the backbone of the Freedom-variant self-defence suite and integrates the radar, electro-optical infrared cameras, gun fire control system, countermeasures and short-range anti-air missiles. COMBATSS-21 provides a flexible, reliable next-generation defence system for the LCS. Its mission capabilities include intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance; mine warfare; surface warfare; special operations; anti-submarine warfare; maritime interdiction/interception operations; homeland defence and anti-terrorism/force protection.
The system provides a scalable, services-based framework. Custom software “adapters” called boundary components are the key to the flexibility of the architecture to support a wide range of sensors, communication, and weapon interfaces. Boundary components simplify integration of system elements and provide flexibility to accommodate future change. The componentised and layered architecture enables upgrades and changes to any part of the system with minimal impact to the remaining software. Customer defined sensors, communication and weapons are easily integrated and isolated from core components of the command and control system. New components can easily be incorporated to address the unique needs of the customer. Because of its modern architecture, COMBATSS-21 can be hosted on configurations ranging from a single commercial processor running a commercial operating system to more distributed configurations. This makes it readily adaptable to a wide variety of shipboard applications from patrol craft to large deck ships. Its proven software meets requirements for a low-risk, affordable solution that can be easily upgraded to meet evolving threats and environments throughout the ship’s life-cycle.
DCNS
POLARIS® is a sea-proven compact solution designed to fulfil the need of navies and coast guards. The system features surveillance and protection capabilities for littoral or exclusive economical zones operations. POLARIS® is particularly well adapted to offshore patrol vessel, fast attack craft, fast patrol boat and landing platform dock/landing helicopter dock. Other features are:
- It can handle an extensive correlation of intelligence data, efficient identification procedures, and enhanced coordination to support sea policing and fighting asymmetric threats,
- It is a robust and versatile CMS which can easily be adapted for upgrade programmes on all kinds of ships. POLARIS® operates surface-to-surface missile systems as well as defence missile systems. Combined with MATRICS, POLARIS® automatically identifies and points out abnormal behaviour patterns.
- It has extended connectivity and interoperability with multiple nodes.
- It can be linked to:
– Helicopters, special forces and unmanned systems.
– Sensors for search and also for enemy carrying out electronic warfare.
– Weapon systems.
ENTCS 2000 Naval Combat Management Systems is designed to assure “knowledge superiority” over potential enemies, shorten decision-making cycles and execute rapid and accurate weapon engagement in the task force. Simultaneously it ensures optimum response to changing events. Based on open, fully distributed architecture and COTS building blocks, the system has enhanced redundancy and no single point of failure. Modular design and scalability assure compatibility with a broad range of existing systems and platforms, from small patrol boats to frigates and from command centres to maritime patrol aircraft and helicopters.
BAE Systems
BAE Systems is the sole supplier and integrator of NCMS for the UK Royal Navy’s surface and sub-surface fleet. Their experience in command and information systems includes interfaces to a wide range of combat system equipment and leading European and US weapon systems. The CMS family supports planning, tactical picture compilation, decision-making and weapon control to meet multiple emergent threats in blue water and littoral operations. CMS-1 is the heart of the combat system, providing situational awareness and weapon control from its intuitive consoles.
CMS-1 was developed for the UK Royal Navy’s Type 45 Destroyers and will support it in service with the Royal Navy for at least the next three decades. A plan of through-life technology refresh and capability upgrades will ensure that CMS-1 continues to meet operational requirements in the future. CMS-1 supports NATO and other coalition operations, and there is a constant effort to evolve programmes to enhance the network enabled capabilities of its sensors and command systems on a number of additional naval ships.
L&T
Combat Management Systems includes the following:
- Surface and sub-surface application
- Surveillance, multi-sensor data fusion, situation assessment, threat evaluation and weapon assignment/control capability
- Mission planning and intelligent data management features
- Open system architecture
- Excellent real-time performance over dual redundant communication backbone with publish/subscribe paradigm of data network for seamless integration of sensors and house holding data.
Selex ES has developed a family of NCMS solutions named ATHENA with variants to suit various roles. Details are:
Architecture & Technologies Handling Electronic Naval Applications (ATHENA). Athena is state-of-the-art CMS solution, to perform any type of combat mission applied across any class of surface vessels. It is designed to easily integrate every type of sensor, weapon or support system. It provides the command team with the strategic and tactical situation awareness, and effectively manages all deployed force assets and own ship’s resources to accomplish naval objectives and missions.
ATHENA-P is the NCMS developed to provide C2 capabilities on vessels without missiles guidance (i.e. mine hunters, and fast patrol boats, and patrol vessels for paramilitary organisations).
ATHENA-C is the NCMS developed to address the requirements for all classes of combat vessels (fast attack craft, corvettes, frigates, destroyers and aircraft carriers).
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Dockyard and Engineering Works Ltd (DEW) run by Bangladesh Navy handed over two harbour patrol boat -- ‘HPB Buriganga’ and ‘HPB Shitalakkha’ -- to Bangladesh Coast Guard at a ceremony on the dockyard premises in Narayanganj on Monday.
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Dockyard and Engineering Works Ltd (DEW) run by Bangladesh Navy handed over two harbour patrol boat -- ‘HPB Buriganga’ and ‘HPB Shitalakkha’ -- to Bangladesh Coast Guard at a ceremony on the dockyard premises in Narayanganj on Monday.
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BN currently uses Thales Tacticos CMS.DSME unveiled the FFX Incheon class Batch II, ROK Navy's future multipurpose frigates
The scale model of the Incheon class frigate Batch II was unveiled by DSME in the 63rd anniversary festival of the Incheon landing operation in the Korean War. Key updates of the Batch II over the ASW-focused Batch I include VLS and full electric propulsion system, as well as a larger hangar that can accomodate a 10-ton helicopter (Batch-I has hangar for lighter helicopters like AW159). About 8 ships of Batch II are going to be built in pairs by DSME until 2018. Some items like the MT30 gas turbine engines for the new propulsion system are already being delivered.
Based on this scale model, Incheon Batch II Frigates will be fitted with a 127mm main gun, a Phalanx CIWS, 16x KVLS cells, Sonata detection system, 3D and 2D radar, tracking radar, EOTS system, Sonata jamming system, MASS, torpedo tubes, 8x antiship launchers.
(Picture: Internet)
It seems like DSME kept in mind growth space for the future evolution of the Batch-II design. They will be able to put in more VLS on the frigate if they need them for Batch III ships, possivly 48 cells in total if 2x16 VLS are placed side by side behind the existing module. Meanwhile, Batch II seems to retain most sensors from Batch I: the AESA surveillance radar, a fire director radar plus EOTS. A mast MFR will eventually replace these piecemeal sensors from Batch III.
DSME unveiled the FFX Incheon class Batch II, ROK Navy's future multipurpose frigates
(Picture: Internet)
LIG Nex1 will provide a range of ship-launched SAMs which will see their first use with FFX Batch II (and with LST-II and MLS-II that use the same sensors as FFX or PKX). There was an opening ceremony of the new missile production facility recently.
The FFX VLS will also be able to employ VLS-launched variants of Haesung-I and Haesung-II series missiles (short-range tactical missile and long-range 'strategic' missile). Lastly, the Red Shark VL-ASROC will be added to Incheon's existing ASW kit.
New in Batch III FFX will be the Korean Naval Shield ICMS (Korean version of Naval CMS will ape the Lockheed Martin version methinks). Remains to be seen whether this entire system (with networked weapons systems) will be able to be supplied to Bangladesh. Even if it is supplied, it will be quite expensive to integrate into the various Chinese-supplied weapons. Chinese CMS will be better option with Chinese sensors and weapons systems of course.
Comparison of various Naval CMS systems by writer from Indian Naval standpoint.....
Naval Combat Management Systems
By Lt General Naresh Chand (Retd)
Naval Combat Management System is a software-intensive system which has to be flexible enough to operate in a complex naval battle environment
A Naval Combat Management System (NCMS) has to perform the following key functions:
Situational Awareness. To be aware of the battle environment at sea which includes surface, subsurface and air. This is collected through sensors like radars, electro–optical systems and sonar.
Intelligence. Convert the above information into actionable intelligence by interpretation, collation, evaluation thereby producing a common operational picture.
Planning and decision-making. This step helps the commanders to rapidly make an actionable plan for decision-making and implementation, in a rapidly changing complex battle environment.
Weapon systems command and control. An effective NCMS will also direct weapon sensors and weapons to engage and destroy incoming threat.
The above functions are carried by the NCMS through the crew, sensors and weapon systems. The whole system could be part of the network-centric warfare (NCW) where each system becomes a separate node with similar nodes on other vessels. NCW concept is more autonomous than hierarchical. NCMS is a software-intensive system which has to be flexible enough to operate in a complex naval battle environment, electronically interact with other sub-systems and be inter-operable with systems of vessels of own navy as well navies of friendly countries. It should be able to cope with mass information with minimum crews. NCMS is simple in concept but complex in designing as it has to be tailor-made to suit the operational doctrines and hardware held by a specific navy. It should have open architecture to provide flexibility. Some examples of such systems are given in succeeding paragraphs.
Thales
Tacticos. Thales’ answer to the naval combat management system is the CMS family called Tacticos. It is a single CMS for combat and maritime security operations. With its certified openness and scalability of the underlying architecture, Thales delivers a modular Combat Management System, matched to multiple mission profiles and to a variety of vessel types. Open standards technology and a massive amount of subsystems interface implementations, make Tacticos the core of the mission solution. The latest version enables the navies to:
The system operates through the Combat Information Center (CIC) or OpsRoom. Thales also assists their customers by designing optimal layouts and arrangements of these rooms. In addition Thales offers dedicated mission packages such as Anti Air Warfare clusters, Fire Control clusters and Tactical datalink solutions. Tacticos technology is used on board more than 160 ships (from small patrol craft to full-size frigates and destroyers) operated by 20 navies. Which include the US Navy as well as navies in Asia, Europe, the Gulf region, Latin America, the Middle East and North Africa.
- Set up networks in coalitions with secure Internet access with ease.
- Rapidly recognise traffic trends and anomalous behaviour.
- Identifies relations between contacts of interest emitting Automatic Identification System (AIS) and Automatic Dependant Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B).
- Compact and light-weight consoles which can be fitted in large and small naval vessels.
- 3D net-centric training integrated in Tacticos.
Compact Sensor & Control System (CSCS). The Compact Sensor & Control System caters for the small ship market providing command and control and even AIS if required. It can be integrated with fire control systems in order to achieve full combat system capabilities. It is based on open-standards and architecture and uses COTS technology.
Commander C3. This is Marine Command, Control, and Communications System for non-Combatant applications. It provides seamless near realtime sharing of the Common Operating Picture (contact data, messages, and geo-referenced map overlays) between vessels, helicopters, and shore installations. Commander C3 also provides gateway interfaces to achieve interoperability with major naval data link standards. The system is ideal for both civilian and military users who require an effective, affordable solution to address the technical and interoperability challengse associated with cooperation and coordination of various maritime agencies.
SAAB
A Saab 9LV CMS system comes with all the operational capability and functionality required by the ship’s Command which is well suited for all types of platforms ranging from small patrol vessels up to large frigates. Saab can integrate any sub-system selected by the customer. Due to effective situational awareness and rapid precision tactical response in all warfare domains, 9LV provides the ship and the command team with efficient operational capabilities in support of all mission types, both in the open ocean as well as in littoral regions. It can also meet asymmetric threats, as well as modern and estimated future threat types. It provides a range of options for integration of the user interfaces of equipment/sub-systems, for example, through hosted vendor clients, web services, thin clients or fully-integrated human machine interfaces. It also provides touch-input display with soft keys. It can easily be integrated with other sub-systems like weapon systems. A Saab 9LV CMS system comes with all the operational capability and functionality required by the ship’s command. There are more than 200 systems installed worldwide.
Lockheed Martin
The ship’s battle management system, called COMBATSS-21, is produced by Lockheed Martin and derived from the US Navy’s latest Aegis surface combatants. The COMBATSS-21 Combat Management System is the backbone of the Freedom-variant self-defence suite and integrates the radar, electro-optical infrared cameras, gun fire control system, countermeasures and short-range anti-air missiles. COMBATSS-21 provides a flexible, reliable next-generation defence system for the LCS. Its mission capabilities include intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance; mine warfare; surface warfare; special operations; anti-submarine warfare; maritime interdiction/interception operations; homeland defence and anti-terrorism/force protection.
The system provides a scalable, services-based framework. Custom software “adapters” called boundary components are the key to the flexibility of the architecture to support a wide range of sensors, communication, and weapon interfaces. Boundary components simplify integration of system elements and provide flexibility to accommodate future change. The componentised and layered architecture enables upgrades and changes to any part of the system with minimal impact to the remaining software. Customer defined sensors, communication and weapons are easily integrated and isolated from core components of the command and control system. New components can easily be incorporated to address the unique needs of the customer. Because of its modern architecture, COMBATSS-21 can be hosted on configurations ranging from a single commercial processor running a commercial operating system to more distributed configurations. This makes it readily adaptable to a wide variety of shipboard applications from patrol craft to large deck ships. Its proven software meets requirements for a low-risk, affordable solution that can be easily upgraded to meet evolving threats and environments throughout the ship’s life-cycle.
DCNS
POLARIS® is a sea-proven compact solution designed to fulfil the need of navies and coast guards. The system features surveillance and protection capabilities for littoral or exclusive economical zones operations. POLARIS® is particularly well adapted to offshore patrol vessel, fast attack craft, fast patrol boat and landing platform dock/landing helicopter dock. Other features are:
Elbit
- It can handle an extensive correlation of intelligence data, efficient identification procedures, and enhanced coordination to support sea policing and fighting asymmetric threats,
- It is a robust and versatile CMS which can easily be adapted for upgrade programmes on all kinds of ships. POLARIS® operates surface-to-surface missile systems as well as defence missile systems. Combined with MATRICS, POLARIS® automatically identifies and points out abnormal behaviour patterns.
- It has extended connectivity and interoperability with multiple nodes.
- It can be linked to:
– Helicopters, special forces and unmanned systems.
– Sensors for search and also for enemy carrying out electronic warfare.
– Weapon systems.
ENTCS 2000 Naval Combat Management Systems is designed to assure “knowledge superiority” over potential enemies, shorten decision-making cycles and execute rapid and accurate weapon engagement in the task force. Simultaneously it ensures optimum response to changing events. Based on open, fully distributed architecture and COTS building blocks, the system has enhanced redundancy and no single point of failure. Modular design and scalability assure compatibility with a broad range of existing systems and platforms, from small patrol boats to frigates and from command centres to maritime patrol aircraft and helicopters.
BAE Systems
BAE Systems is the sole supplier and integrator of NCMS for the UK Royal Navy’s surface and sub-surface fleet. Their experience in command and information systems includes interfaces to a wide range of combat system equipment and leading European and US weapon systems. The CMS family supports planning, tactical picture compilation, decision-making and weapon control to meet multiple emergent threats in blue water and littoral operations. CMS-1 is the heart of the combat system, providing situational awareness and weapon control from its intuitive consoles.
CMS-1 was developed for the UK Royal Navy’s Type 45 Destroyers and will support it in service with the Royal Navy for at least the next three decades. A plan of through-life technology refresh and capability upgrades will ensure that CMS-1 continues to meet operational requirements in the future. CMS-1 supports NATO and other coalition operations, and there is a constant effort to evolve programmes to enhance the network enabled capabilities of its sensors and command systems on a number of additional naval ships.
L&T
Combat Management Systems includes the following:
Selex ES
- Surface and sub-surface application
- Surveillance, multi-sensor data fusion, situation assessment, threat evaluation and weapon assignment/control capability
- Mission planning and intelligent data management features
- Open system architecture
- Excellent real-time performance over dual redundant communication backbone with publish/subscribe paradigm of data network for seamless integration of sensors and house holding data.
Selex ES has developed a family of NCMS solutions named ATHENA with variants to suit various roles. Details are:
Architecture & Technologies Handling Electronic Naval Applications (ATHENA). Athena is state-of-the-art CMS solution, to perform any type of combat mission applied across any class of surface vessels. It is designed to easily integrate every type of sensor, weapon or support system. It provides the command team with the strategic and tactical situation awareness, and effectively manages all deployed force assets and own ship’s resources to accomplish naval objectives and missions.
ATHENA-P is the NCMS developed to provide C2 capabilities on vessels without missiles guidance (i.e. mine hunters, and fast patrol boats, and patrol vessels for paramilitary organisations).
ATHENA-C is the NCMS developed to address the requirements for all classes of combat vessels (fast attack craft, corvettes, frigates, destroyers and aircraft carriers).
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Dockyard and Engineering Works Ltd (DEW) run by Bangladesh Navy handed over two harbour patrol boat -- ‘HPB Buriganga’ and ‘HPB Shitalakkha’ -- to Bangladesh Coast Guard at a ceremony on the dockyard premises in Narayanganj on Monday.
Interestingly these subs were brought by a commercial vessel. In contrast, I remember the earliest PN sub had sailed round the Cape of Good Hope to reach KCI. All with PN's own crew which had been training in France and Italy.
But, what is your objection towards the naval purchasing from China. Why Ulsan class ships are better than the types China supply us? BN purchases better ships with cheaper prices from China.
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i have no objection about purchasing weapons from china, my theory is BD & Myanmar both countries major supplier is china so most of the weapons, missiles, ships are common in both country what they have purchased from them.so it is better if we bought anything from china that should be not common in both country.
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i don't see the big deal... plus after pakistan... we buy the most from them... so suddenly the chinese prioritizing them over us is foolish... we are of more interest to the chinese than the burmese
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