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Bangladesh dissatisfied with China’s military supplies quality: Reports

I am not going to stoop to your level and argue.

Read the forum rules and stop posting garbage Indian crap that has no basis.

Follow forum rules - stop wasting people's time.

All posters here know who is shilling for India and who are patriots.

The mods know about your propensities very well and they can decide.

@waz, @WebMaster, @The Eagle bhais we have a situation here.



All part of the Godi media network - of which WION is a part.

Don't believe that an Italian name posted is Italian. Salvatore could be Salil, Giovanni could be Giriraj.

No way to tell. I could go to LinkedIn right now and create an Italian identity, no one will stop me or check.

Indians have set up almost a thousand different websites dissing Pakistan and China.

Look at the intent and the message, where it comes from, not the source - source is fake most of the time.

Then we have our resident India shills here re-posting and propagating this nonsense.

@WebMaster @waz @The Eagle can you please discipline this user for promoting non stop conspiracy theories, hysteria and trying to promote censorship in this forum based on his liking or disliking. Whatever he doesn’t like become Indian or hindutva conspiracy or Indian or on Indian pay roll. He earlier tagged many Bangladeshis as Indian.

The news is posted by an Indian media but it clearly stated source is an Italian news source DIFESA online which is posted here as well. He not only stopped there but mentioned that the Italian writer is on Indian media pay roll.

Despite he is trying to promote his conspiracy theory non stop saying Indian media, godi media, hindutva conspiracy, this or that by tagging you.

See his types of post:



Making this kind of self made titles are against forum rule despite he is doing it. I also post many news article which is against India but without altering the title.

I would appreciate if you send warning message to this user for this kind of behavior as this is abusive and annoying.

Thanks
 
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What a joke. Some paid troll write a joke of a fake news article and just by being referenced by ANI, a infamous fake news, it is presented as official BD Millitary stance on PDF.

Lets be clear, it take only a few minutes to write a silliy article and then cross reference it with multiple fake news sources. Thats how propaganda works.

Am all for discussion about quality of Chinese defence equipment. There is no rule that says Chinese equipment always have to be best. I dont think even chinese themselves thinks like that. But then atleast we need a proper source.

I believe this forum shouldnt go that low and start become a potential mouthpiece for sanghi propaganda.
 
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What a joke. Some paid troll write a joke of a fake news article and just by being referenced by ANI, a infamous fake news, it is presented as official BD Millitary stance on PDF.

Lets be clear, it take only a few minutes to write a silliy article and then cross reference it with multiple fake news sources. Thats how propaganda works.

Am all for discussion about wuality of Chinese defence equipment. There is no rule that says Chinese equipment always have to be best. I dont think even chinese themselves thinks like that. But then atleast we need a proper source.

I believe this forum shouldnt go that low and start become a potential mouthpiece for sanghi propaganda.

Have you raised your concern to their Facebook page which has 120k+ members and followed by mostly Europeans and write articles in Italian?


So how much Indians paid to the Italian to write the propaganda?

https://it.linkedin.com/in/tiziano-ciocchetti-63a747207
 
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Have you raised your concern to their Facebook page which has 120k+ members and followed by mostly Europeans and write articles in Italian?


So how much Indians paid to the Italian to write the propaganda?

https://it.linkedin.com/in/tiziano-ciocchetti-63a747207

Dont you find it strange that a ITALIAN!!! of all, knows deepest secrets of Pakistani and Bangladeshi Army?? On what BD and PK army thinks of Chinese equipment, and supposedly both armies are dissatisfied with chinese equipment.

This news again get quoted in a notorious Indian fake news channels like ANI. But no Pakistani or Bangladeshi reporter, who is far more likely to have access to sensitive information, even mentioned it once.

All this knowing that BD and PK are two of Chinas biggest defence costumers. Why would BD and PK buy subpar equipment from China, decade after decade, knowing it will harm the countries overall defensive capabilities.
 
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Dont you find it strange that a ITALIAN!!! of all, knows deepest secrets of Pakistani and Bangladeshi Army?? On what BD and PK army thinks of Chinese equipment, and supposedly both armies are dissatisfied with chinese equipment.

This news again get quoted in a notorious Indian fake news channels like ANI. But no Pakistani or Bangladeshi reporter, who is far more likely to have access to sensitive information, even mentioned it once.

All this knowing that BD and PK are two of Chinas biggest defence costumers. Why would BD and PK buy subpar equipment from China, decade after decade, knowing it will harm the countries overall defensive capabilities.
That’s the purpose of defense news portal to collect defense related news. They publish news from global perspective not just China or India related. No Bangladeshi media can publish anything without DGFI approval.
 
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Here is a recent expose of Godi Media by Nepalese media.

It explains how Godi Media inside India is a propaganda organ of the BJP/RSS and is supported by Modi's industrialist friends.


Godi Media's credibility is int'l laughing stock now.

 
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Let's see. China manufactures world leading cars, ships, mobile phones, supercomputers, telecom equipment, machine tools, semiconductors, solar panels, power plants, etc. China, which sells to sophisticated B2B customers who only care about the bottom line and maximum quality at minimum price, no bullshit, no nothing.

but India, a country that can't even manufacture a semiautomatic rifle, which is literally 19th century technology that it has millions of examples of, can't even manufacture winter coats and has to import them from the US... claims China has low quality?

:rofl:
 
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Bhai some of you all are perceptive and smart enough, and have figured out who the Sanghi shills in the Bangladesh section are. Their posts are proof enough.

Modi's media machine has deep pockets and they control not only most of Sanghi media but by now almost all of Bangladesh media.

Some of their agents are here too, that is all I am going to say. This is nothing out of the ordinary.

Some of these "chorer ma'r boro gola" shills have the gall to complain to the mods about me openly calling out their Sanghi dalali and sycophancy (through their posts) which goes back years and years. We have seen this - all of us.

The mods and seniors here in PDF know who these perpetrators are and they will be disciplined in time. Not engaging in any verbal abuse - I have ignored the three main Bangladeshi Sanghi shills.

You all can do the same.

I know what you mean.
If it quacks like a duck …..
 
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Bangladesh dissatisfied with China’s military supplies quality: Reports​

ANI13 August, 2022
Bangladesh dissatisfied with China's military supplies quality: Reports 's military supplies quality: Reports
North Industries Group Co (NORINCO). (Photo Credit - Reuters)


Dhaka [Bangladesh], August 13 (ANI): For a long time, China has been trying to emerge as the key defence exporter of the neighbouring countries of India. It uses the instrument of arms supply as “instrumentum regni” in Asia, that is, it tries to bind some countries with military dependence. However, the very low quality of the equipment produced, below Western standards, would seem to undermine this project, a media report said.

Recently, the Bangladesh Army expressed its displeasure with China North Industries Corporation (Norinco)’s supply of tank ammunition, rejecting it as not being tested. The country seems to be dissatisfied with the quality of military supplies received from China.

Owing to the economic situation of Bangladesh, Dhaka was forced to turn to the Chinese, who practised much more advantageous prices than Westerners. For this reason, the Army acquired light weapons, artillery and armoured vehicles produced (mostly copied) by Norinco, Bangladesh Live News reported citing a Roman news portal DIFESA Online.

The Dhaka government which is engaged in an upgrade program for the armoured component purchased defence equipment worth a total of USD 3 billion from China over the period 2011-2020.

In 2011, in fact, it purchased the Chinese MBT-2000 tank, built by Norinco starting from the Type 90-IIM tank, and is also updating 170 Type 59 tanks to the Type 59G standard. While more recently they have modified the Type 69 fleet to the standard Type 69IIG.

The Bangladesh Army, in an attempt to modernize artillery, replaced the Chinese-made pieces by acquiring 155/52 mm Serbian self-propelled rotor Nora B-52.

Beijing is also in the process of setting up a maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) centre and submarine base in Bangladesh.

The naval base, located near the village of Magnama in the province of Cox’s Bazar, will take on a strategic value of the highest value, as it will be located about 70 km from the border with Myanmar, in the Pekua Upazila area overlooking the Kutubdia canal. All this is probably linked to the purchase by the Dhaka Navy of two Chinese Ming class submarines (Type 035G), the news portal reported.

More recently, China Precision Machinery Import Export Company (CPMIEC) also supplied Bangladesh with some equipment related to the HQ-7 short-range surface-to-air missiles, the news portal reported.

Several problems, however, have been reported with respect to transport vehicles and missiles, including the engine, communication system and infrared guidance device, Bangladesh Live News reported.

The Bangladeshi Navy also said it was dissatisfied with the radars provided by China Shipbuilding and Offshore International.

Earlier, a RAND Corporation (US-based thinktank) study in 2021 clearly pointed to a lacuna in Chinese defence contracts, stating there is a lack of transparency and accountability.

China’s arms sales operate primarily through state-run export organisations such as the Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) and North Industries Corporation (NORINCO).

Arms transfers also are a component of China’s foreign policy, used in conjunction with other types of assistance to complement foreign policy initiatives undertaken as part of China’s One Belt, One Road initiative.

According to the experts, a lot of countries have little or no faith in Chinese companies because of poor after-sales support and equipment that rapidly declines into non-functional machinery.

China also does not have the required ability to manufacture highly sophisticated parts as it is still not considered a first-rate developer and producer of state-of-the-art military material, reported the Russian Council.

Although some potential customers consider arms made by Beijing to be of lower quality and reliability, many developing countries buy China’s weaponry because they are less expensive than other comparable systems.

Bejing’s assertive policy in terms of arms sales and presence around the world should raise some cautionary eyebrows. China is not only increasing its arms sales, but also military training and investment in its lender countries.

Other than Bangladesh; Pakistan, Thailand, and Africa are China’s clients for arms and ammunition. China has also sold 36 J-10C fighters to Pakistan and delivered HQ-22 (FK-3) surface-to-air missiles (SAM) to Serbia.

Countries like Tanzania, Nigeria, Sudan, Cameroon, Zimbabwe, Zambia, Gabon, Algeria, Namibia, Ghana and Ethiopia are among the top importers of Chinese arms.

According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI)’s recent report, nearly half of Chinese weapon exports – 47 per cent, in fact – went to its closest ally Pakistan, while Beijing’s next largest clients were Bangladesh and Thailand at 16 pc and 5 pc respectively, as per the media portal.

Given the relative strength of China’s position on the arms export table, it is perhaps surprising that China also appeared fifth on the international list of arms importers, behind India, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Australia.


Source Article:


IL BANGLADESH E GLI EQUIPAGGIAMENTI MILITARI CINESI​

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(di Tiziano Ciocchetti)
11/08/22

Il Bangladesh sembrerebbe non soddisfatto della qualità delle forniture militari ricevute da Pechino.

La Cina utilizza lo strumento della fornitura di armamenti come instrumentum regni in Asia, ovvero cerca di vincolare alcuni paesi con dipendenza militare. Tuttavia, proprio la bassa qualità degli equipaggiamenti prodotti, inferiori agli standard occidentali, sembrerebbe minare tale progetto.

Ne è un esempio il Bangladesh, le cui Forze Armate, vengono rifornite con equipaggiamenti costruiti in Cina.

Dopo una guerra con il Pakistan, nel 1971, il Bangladesh ottenne l’indipendenza. Per mantenerla necessitava di potenziare il proprio strumento militare. Vista la situazione economica tutt’altro che florida, Dhaka fu costretta a rivolgersi ai cinesi, i quali praticavano prezzi assai più vantaggiosi rispetto agli occidentali. Per questo motivo l’Esercito acquisì armi leggere, artiglieria e mezzi corazzati prodotti (più che altro copiati) dalla Norinco.

Attualmente, il governo di Dhaka è impegnato in un programma di aggiornamento della componente corazzata. Nel 2011, infatti, ha acquisto il carro cinese MBT-2000, costruito dalla Norinco partendo da carro Type 90-IIM, inoltre sta aggiornando 170 carri Type 59 allo standard Type 59G. Mentre più recentemente hanno modificato la flotta di Type 69 allo standard Type 69IIG.

Per modernizzare l’artiglieria, sostituendo i pezzi di fabbricazione cinese, l’Esercito ha acquisito il semovente ruotato serbo da 155/52 mm Nora B-52.

La Cina ha fornito al Bangladesh equipaggiamenti per la Difesa per un valore complessivo di 3 miliardi di dollari nel periodo 2011-2020. Pechino è anche in procinto di creare un centro di manutenzione, riparazione e revisione (MRO) e una base sottomarina in Bangladesh. La base navale, situata nelle vicinanze del villaggio di Magnama nella provincia di Cox’s Bazar, assumerà una valenza strategica di altissimo valore, in quanto si troverà a circa 70 km dal confine con il Myanmar, nell’area di Pekua Upazila prospiciente il canale Kutubdia. Tutto ciò è probabilmente legato all’acquisto, da parte della Marina di Dhaka, di due sottomarini cinesi classe Ming (Type 035G).

Di recente, l'Esercito del Bangladesh ha espresso il proprio disappunto per la fornitura di munizioni per carri armati da parte della Norinco rifiutandole in quanto non sottoposte a test di collaudo.

La China Precision Machinery Import Export Company (CPMIEC), aveva inoltre fornito al Bangladesh alcune attrezzature relative ai missili superficie-aria HQ-7 a corto raggio.

Tuttavia sono stati segnalati diversi problemi per quanto concerne i veicoli da trasporto e i missili, tra cui il motore, il sistema di comunicazione e il dispositivo di guida a infrarossi.

Anche la Marina del Bangladesh si è detta insoddisfatta dei radar forniti dalla China Shipbuilding & Offshore International.

Il rallentamento dell'economia cinese, con conseguente abbassamento della crescita negli ultimi due anni (il FMI ha fissato la crescita della Cina al 3,3% nel 2022, il risultato più basso degli ultimi 40 anni) indicano che l’apparato industriale di Pechino non è in buone condizioni.

Ciò evidentemente influisce anche sulla qualità (comunque mai stata elevata) della produzione di equipaggiamenti militari​

BANGLADESH AND CHINESE MILITARY EQUIPMENT​

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(by Tiziano Ciocchetti )
11/08/22

Bangladesh appears to be dissatisfied with the quality of military supplies received from Beijing.

China uses the instrument of arms supply as instrumentum regni in Asia, that is, it tries to bind some countries with military dependence. However, the very low quality of the equipment produced, below Western standards, would seem to undermine this project.

An example is Bangladesh, whose Armed Forces are supplied with equipment built in China.

After a war with Pakistan in 1971, Bangladesh gained independence. To keep it he needed to upgrade his military tool. Given the economic situation that was anything but prosperous, Dhaka was forced to turn to the Chinese, who practiced much more advantageous prices than Westerners. For this reason the Army acquired light weapons, artillery and armored vehicles produced (mostly copied) by Norinco.

Currently, the Dhaka government is engaged in an upgrade program for the armored component. In 2011, in fact, it purchased the Chinese MBT-2000 tank, built by Norinco starting from the Type 90-IIM tank, and is also updating 170 Type 59 tanks to the Type 59G standard. While more recently they have modified the Type 69 fleet to the standard Type 69IIG.

To modernize the artillery, replacing the Chinese-made pieces, the Army acquired the 155/52 mm Serbian self-propelled rotor Nora B-52.

China provided Bangladesh with defense equipment worth a total of $ 3 billion over the period 2011-2020. Beijing is also in the process of setting up a maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) center and submarine base in Bangladesh. The naval base, located near the village of Magnama in the province of Cox's Bazar, will take on a strategic value of the highest value, as it will be located about 70 km from the border with Myanmar, in the Pekua Upazila area overlooking the Kutubdia canal. All this is probably linked to the purchase by the Dhaka Navy of two Chinese Ming class submarines (Type 035G).

Recently, the Bangladesh Army expressed its displeasure with Norinco's supply of tank ammunition, rejecting it as not being tested.

China Precision Machinery Import Export Company (CPMIEC) also supplied Bangladesh with some equipment related to the HQ-7 short-range surface-to-air missiles.

However, several problems have been reported with respect to transport vehicles and missiles, including the engine, communication system and infrared guidance device.

The Bangladeshi Navy also said it was dissatisfied with the radars provided by China Shipbuilding & Offshore International.

The slowdown of the Chinese economy, with consequent lowering of growth in the last two years (the IMF set China's growth at 3.3% in 2022, the lowest result in the last 40 years) indicate that the industrial apparatus of Beijing it is not in good condition.

This evidently also affects the quality (however never been high) of the production of military equipment.​
its a shame,
#Bangladesh must look towards west or build its own defense industry.
 
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Posting Obvious-as-the-nose-on-your-face India-supporting threads using fake Godi Media sources makes you look like an India-supporter. :-)

I have warned you politely before not to do this - this may be against forum policy.

In fact you have been disciplined before, for this exact same reason.

@The Eagle bhai I leave this to your discretion.

Blackcats is an Walter Mitty character.

he genuinely doesn’t have a clue.

Someone plz separate him from his keyboard! It’s like giving glue to a two year old!

He needs to be banned for his own good.

Mods, pls ban this confused fool.
 
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not long ago indians were caught using 100s of European, British, American sounding websites, guess who was at the head of it? did you say ANI? yup you are right. have they stopped now? I do not think so!
 
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No!

It’s you who needs to be banned you moron.

@Bilal9 is a patriotic Bangladeshi.



Not to mention. Cannot even build toilets 🤣🤣🤣

Have you and @Bilal9 got license from somewhere to tag who is patriotic Bangladeshi and who is Indian shill or agent?

@WebMaster, @waz and @The Eagle can you please look at the above two posters who are doing name calling and insult to other members and promoting self made conspiracy theories by telling other members as Indian shill, agent, moron etc.

This kind of name calling and insults are against forum rules. Please take appropriate actions against both.

Thank you

Bhai some of you all are perceptive and smart enough, and have figured out who the Sanghi shills in the Bangladesh section are. Their posts are proof enough.

Modi's media machine has deep pockets and they control not only most of Sanghi media but by now almost all of Bangladesh media.

Some of their agents are here too, that is all I am going to say. This is nothing out of the ordinary.

Some of these "chorer ma'r boro gola" shills have the gall to complain to the mods about me openly calling out their Sanghi dalali and sycophancy (through their posts) which goes back years and years. We have seen this - all of us.


The mods and seniors here in PDF know who these perpetrators are and they will be disciplined in time. Not engaging in any verbal abuse - I have ignored the three main Bangladeshi Sanghi shills.

You all can do the same.
 
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@WebMaster @waz @The Eagle can you please discipline this user for promoting non stop conspiracy theories, hysteria and trying to promote censorship in this forum based on his liking or disliking. Whatever he doesn’t like become Indian or hindutva conspiracy or Indian or on Indian pay roll. He earlier tagged many Bangladeshis as Indian.

The news is posted by an Indian media but it clearly stated source is an Italian news source DIFESA online which is posted here as well. He not only stopped there but mentioned that the Italian writer is on Indian media pay roll.

Despite he is trying to promote his conspiracy theory non stop saying Indian media, godi media, hindutva conspiracy, this or that by tagging you.

See his types of post:



Making this kind of self made titles are against forum rule despite he is doing it. I also post many news article which is against India but without altering the title.

I would appreciate if you send warning message to this user for this kind of behavior as this is abusive and annoying.

Thanks
It seems that you are the only one in the world who believes in the joke that "Chinese weapons have quality problems".
 
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According to the poster Black_cats highlights that the source of this article is an Italian, do you mean it is actually an Indian?

Read the article carefully.

This article focuses on the Indian perspective, such as "India's neighbor", "Asia's ruling tool", and also focuses on Pakistan.

Isn't that obvious? Even if the author is not Indian, he wrote this article for Indians.

If the author is really European and writes for Europeans. Will arrogant Europeans write from the Indian perspective? Those Europeans will find the article stinky.
Real Europeans only write from the perspective of the European Union. When they talk about Bangladesh and Pakistan, they only talk about their relations with the EU, not India.



Look at the true attitude of these Europeans towards Indians. Do you really believe that they will write from the Indian perspective?

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It seems that you are the only one in the world who believes in the joke that "Chinese weapons have quality problems".

None is my opinion. If Chinese weapon quality is better it’s good for them. I have no objection to that.

A well researched balance article in this regard from a reputed source:


It’s not only about Bangladesh but seems many other countries raised concern.

Read the article carefully.

This article focuses on the Indian perspective, such as "India's neighbor", and also focuses on Pakistan.

Isn't that obvious? Even if the author is not Indian, he wrote this article for Indians.

If the author is really European and writes for Europeans. Will arrogant Europeans write from the Indian perspective? Those Europeans will find the article stinky.

Reposting one of my previous comment:

Have you raised your concern to their Facebook page which has 120k+ members and followed by mostly Europeans and write articles in Italian?

https://m.facebook.com/1409337079306591/

So how much Indians paid to the Italian to write the propaganda?

https://it.linkedin.com/in/tiziano-ciocchetti-63a747207
 
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