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Bangladesh- China trade to hit $18 billion by 2021

Really, Japan invests heavily in Bangladsh? You better wake up to the reality.

Bangladesh received US$ 28bn in foreign investment in 5 yrs, China on top
http://www.theindependentbd.com/post/186455

"Bangladesh received more than US$ 28 billion in investment from 45 countries in the last five years with China investing the highest amount of US$ 8107 million.
Yes, but the Chinese investment is CREDIT and not FDI. However, Chinese credit is most welcome in Bangladesh but BD needs to diversify its project loan money. Japan is doing many important infrastructure building works here. Japanese FDI is small now but it is not at the end of the rope. Japan will finance Matarbari power plant near which there will be an exclusive EPZ for the Japanese private investors.

Japan and its people work under a faultless and proper system. They will not move their money and factories unless they get the EPZ completely done with all the facilities like access road, piping water, electricity connection, gas supply, telephone/fax connections and so on. Unless the power plant is completed and all these utility connections are properly made the Japanese will not move there.

Note one point. So far, Chinese companies have invested in garments but the Japanese will invest in more value-added industries the output of which will be taken back to Japan or other destinations. So, BD will wait for a few years for all these things from Japan to come about.

There is also a strong possibility that Japan will also build a part of a deep seaport near Matarbari when the time is right. India/USA are opposing a Chinese participation but are unable to oppose a Japanese inititative in Matarbari.
 
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Dude, what are you smoking?

Japan gives nearly 2 billion US dollars of super low interest loans to BD every year.

It is currently financing the Matarbari coal fired power station and the Dhaka Metro.
Ok, but how come they didn't show on your government statistics?

Yes, but the Chinese investment is CREDIT and not FDI. However, Chinese credit is most welcome in Bangladesh but BD needs to diversify its project loan money. Japan is doing many important infrastructure building works here. Japanese FDI is small now but it is not at the end of the rope. Japan will finance Matarbari power plant near which there will be an exclusive EPZ for the Japanese private investors.

Japan and its people work under a faultless and proper system. They will not move their money and factories unless they get the EPZ completely done with all the facilities like access road, piping water, electricity connection, gas supply, telephone/fax connections and so on. Unless the power plant is completed and all these utility connections are properly made the Japanese will not move there.

Note one point. So far, Chinese companies have invested in garments but the Japanese will invest in more value-added industries the output of which will be taken back to Japan or other destinations. So, BD will wait for a few years for all these things from Japan to come about.

There is also a strong possibility that Japan will also build a part of a deep seaport near Matarbari when the time is right. India/USA are opposing a Chinese participation but are unable to oppose a Japanese inititative in Matarbari.
You are talking about Japan will do this and that, until you really see their money, they are just on paper, as I mentioned, judging from the trend of the Japanese economy, that country will be less and less able to invest globally and Bangladesh is never Japan's top investment destinations.
If Bangladesh really wants future development, getting investments from US and EU is your only option.
 
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The new visas will be limited to applicants 18 and older. Employers will have to avoid labor brokers engaging in such unscrupulous practices as demanding security deposits.

Workers from nine Asian nations will be eligible for the new visas. While the government had initially planned for the deal to cover Vietnam, China, the Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand, Myanmar, Cambodia and one other country, both Nepal and Mongolia were ultimately added to the list. Tokyo aims to sign bilateral agreements with each country by March.
First nursing care trainees from Myanmar arrive to begin work in Hokkaido
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2...nmar-arrive-begin-work-hokkaido/#.XJBbm877S70

If Japan love you that much, why when they need foreign workers, they go to Myanmar instead of Bangladesh?
 
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Japan and its people work under a faultless and proper system. They will not move their money and factories unless they get the EPZ completely done with all the facilities like access road, piping water, electricity connection, gas supply, telephone/fax connections and so on. Unless the power plant is completed and all these utility connections are properly made the Japanese will not move there.

Note one point. So far, Chinese companies have invested in garments
Get your facts straight, we mainly invest in infrastructures, not garments. and you so called Japanese faultless and proper system is to wait until all the infrastructures and facilities ready? See that's the different approach,we build roads, bridges, railways and power plants to make things happen, waiting is not our trait, if Japan likes to wait as you claimed, what if the required facilities never happen?
 
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His bread and butter is to side and butter up 'the enemy of my enemy'. Yesterday Pakistanis, today Chinese, tomorrow Burmese. TBH watching from a neutral standpoint I find it quite funny how he flip-flops between the camps and tags all the loud-mouth members just to stand his insult/taunt. I advise everyone to refrain from fighting back fire with fire with people such as him and others. Ultimately we're all fraction of our true persona hiding behind anonymity. Maybe he's a good person irl who's just trying to be an edgy teen online, we will never know.

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I think you caught the right drift...

Guys - I believe Chinese investments in Bangladesh (infrastructure such as power stations, bridges mostly) have been more generous in quantity and intensity than any other country. They have also opened their markets to Bangladeshi exports in far more generous manner. We even export recyclable plastic to China. No other country allows this.

I think we should keep a clear view on that GENEROSITY and be practical in RETURNING and ACKNOWLEDGING that GENEROSITY from China.

Japanese investments have been significant but rather minuscule. They pale in comparison in relation to amount of Chinese investments.

Indian investments have of course been far less than either of these, amounting mostly to Billion dollar loans geared to help their own exports (transportation related items such as use/trucks and rail engines/carriages). These don't really help our export situation, nor help in building infra. The Sundarban power project is yet to see the light of day AFAIK.
 
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If Japan love you that much, why when they need foreign workers, they go to Myanmar instead of Bangladesh?
Racism. Pure and simple. There was a study that black patients are more likely to open up to a black doctor/nurse and ultimately receive better treatment. Look at all the countries you listed. All are mongoloid. Would've been different if they chose Indians or sth.

Ok, but how come they didn't show on your government statistics?


You are talking about Japan will do this and that, until you really see their money, they are just on paper, as I mentioned, judging from the trend of the Japanese economy, that country will be less and less able to invest globally and Bangladesh is never Japan's top investment destinations.
If Bangladesh really wants future development, getting investments from US and EU is your only option.
IDK about the individual projects they invested in but according to this I did find this source : https://thefinancialexpress.com.bd/...nt-in-bd-increasing-steadily-jbcci-1542602414
 
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Racism. Pure and simple. There was a study that black patients are more likely to open up to a black doctor/nurse and ultimately receive better treatment. Look at all the countries you listed. All are mongoloid. Would've been different if they chose Indians or sth.


IDK about the individual projects they invested in but according to this I did find this source : https://thefinancialexpress.com.bd/...nt-in-bd-increasing-steadily-jbcci-1542602414
Whatever the ways you gauge on Japanese investment, it's not big comparing to the top investing countries in BD, and Japanese economy is declining, so it's not a safe bet as Bangladesh's future fund providers. US and EU are a better choice if you don't like Chinese money.
 
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Whatever the ways you gauge on Japanese investment, it's not big comparing to the top investing countries in BD, and Japanese economy is declining, so it's not a safe bet as Bangladesh's future fund providers. US and EU are a better choice if you don't like Chinese money.

I don't think anyone would turn down investments.

However there has been lots of talk of Chinese 'debt trap' from the usual quarters. :-)

Make a guess who......
 
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I do not want to repeat previous posts but here goes. Japan is currently in economic decline .... a trend that is going on for 20 years plus.... it has a negative interest percentage rate...

Japan invests overseas to get a return on its money that its own economy can not generate.

China on the other hand has a growing economy although the stats may have been manipulated to display a higher growth trajectory. What is not in doubt is its enormous reserves it has developed and its ambition to be a world power. It is achieving influence by investing abroad.

BD is notoriously poor in getting FDI but its economy is motoring due to internal demand and growth through own resources.

China and Japan comes in where BD needs loans where international lending agencies are unable to help. These loans are for infastructural projects.

There is an economic and political dimention to how a lender is selected.
Economically BD conservative fiscal policies mean that our indebtedness which is currently around 30% will not be allowed to grow so there is no chance of getting into a debt trap with anyone. A self imposed debt ceiling limits loans irrespective of how much is offered by potential lenders.

The political dimention ensures BD will select lenders on prestige projects with consideration to BDs strategical positioning. There are not too much differences in terms of rates offered by lenders. Japan won the port contract not because their bid was the best but because of BDs need to balance between global hedgemons and embracing everyone and alienating none.

Lets stop lionising or demonising any country. Each follows its self interest as does BD. Japan is a second tier player from BDs view compared to the likes on US, China, EU and India. Infact i would say Japan is an extension of US rather than a player in its own right in BD (i say this not to belittle Japan but as a country it can not have an independent foreign, military or economic policy as per WW2). The lending issue will mean even less as soon as BD formally graduate out of LDC and credit becomes cheaper as BD long term credit rating remains a stable BB-.

Very soon given how little debt we have and general economic strength and resilience we are likely to solely rely of international lending agencies like IMFs rather than go for GTG loans.

We have self financed the padma bridge , hopefully its not long before we finance all major investments through own resource or own lending deals on the open market.
 
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Click the link below to know about the Matarbari coal-fired power plant with ultra-supercritical technology. to be financed and built by Japan. There are other related projects, too in the vicinity.
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Matarbari_power_station
I never said Japan didn't invest in Bangladeshi, of course it does, as it does in many south and south eastern Asian countries, but they never specially preferred BD and their share is very small comparing to major investors in BD, and Japan's ability to sustain overseas large investment is declining fast.
You always bring Japan in as BD's major source of future large foreign investment, but that's a wishful thinking, it's not gonna happen.

Myanmar tops poor nations' FDI league as China cash flows in
Cambodia and Bangladesh make top five of the global economy's lowest tier

SIMON ROUGHNEEN, Asia Regional CorrespondentNovember 21, 2018 10:38 JST

JAKARTA -- Myanmar attracted the most foreign direct investment of any of the world's so-called "least developed countries" in 2017, even as the nation's reputation plummeted over its forced expulsion of tens of thousands of Rohingya Muslims.

The $4.3 billion worth of realized FDI that went into the resource-rich Southeast Asian country put it on top of the global economy's bottom division of 47 nations, according to a report by the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development.

Myanmar edged out second-place Ethiopia, with Asian neighbors Cambodia and Bangladesh taking third and fifth spots. Even so the nations remain far behind Association of Southeast Asian Nations peers such as Indonesia and Vietnam.


World Bank data show Cambodia's FDI of just under $2.8bn was double the total from just 7 years before, while Bangladesh's $2.15bn marked a drop of almost $700m from a year earlier -- partly due its sluggishness to diversify beyond the country's crucial garment sector.

The current method for classifying LDCs means that average incomes in such countries are usually below $1,230 a year, making low-wage sectors such as garments and footwear key investment areas and exports for these countries in Asia. While 31 of the 47 nations are in Africa, the list also includes Afghanistan, Bhutan, East Timor, Laos, Nepal and Yemen.

China and Hong Kong together have accounted for 36% of total investment into Myanmar since 1988, according to official Myanmar statistics.

Around half the total over the past 30 years has been in oil, gas and other mining, with nearly 17% in telecommunications and just over 10% in manufacturing. Last year saw inflows into the latter two sectors make up 30% and 18% of the annual total.

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Investment into Myanmar grew more than 45% last year, an increase that is three times faster than the growth in FDI into Cambodia. A drop off in Chinese investment to Laos saw the landlocked Southeast Asian country's overall inward investment decline for a second consecutive year.

China was also the biggest foreign investment source for Cambodia and Bangladesh in 2017.


With several projections showing China is likely to become the world's biggest economy by 2030, Asia's LDC's are likely to be drawn into Beijing's economic orbit via its flagship Belt and Road Initiative.

But as the U.S. aims to challenge the BRI with infrastructure pledges of its own while it increases tariffs on Chinese imports, smaller, lower-income Asian countries could benefit as foreign companies reassess their presence in China's massive market as costs of doing business increase.

And if China and the U.S. engage in an infrastructure investment bidding war in Asia, that too could see increased FDI into less developed Asian countries.

The report noted that three nations -- Bangladesh, Laos and Myanmar -- are poised to "graduate" from LDC status in the coming years. Cambodia, with a GDP per capita of over $1,300, also looks set to transcend the lowly designation.

Climbing up to the next tier will also comes with a price. The World Bank warned last year that if Cambodia gets promoted, the transition "will bring a progressive decline in donor financing and an erosion of preferential trade treatment."

Indeed, Cambodia and Myanmar both face losing preferential access to the European Union market before they climb out of the division, which in turn would diminish their attractiveness as investment destinations.

The EU has threatened to remove eligibility for preferential treatment over Cambodia's crushing of the country's main opposition party, and the Myanmar army's scorched earth operations in border regions previously populated by Rohingya.

Foreign investment into Myanmar and Cambodia is well below better-developed countries in ASEAN such as Indonesia, Vietnam, the Philippines and Thailand. These countries received $23.1bn, $14bn, $10bn and $9.1bn, respectively, last year, according to the 2018 ASEAN Investment Report.

https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Myanmar-tops-poor-nations-FDI-league-as-China-cash-flows-in
 
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His bread and butter is to side and butter up 'the enemy of my enemy'. Yesterday Pakistanis, today Chinese, tomorrow Burmese. TBH watching from a neutral standpoint I find it quite funny how he flip-flops between the camps and tags all the loud-mouth members just to stand his insult/taunt. I advise everyone to refrain from fighting back fire with fire with people such as him and others. Ultimately we're all fraction of our true persona hiding behind anonymity. Maybe he's a good person irl who's just trying to be an edgy teen online, we will never know.
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U R right
agree 100%
 
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I do not want to repeat previous posts but here goes. Japan is currently in economic decline .... a trend that is going on for 20 years plus.... it has a negative interest percentage rate...

Japan invests overseas to get a return on its money that its own economy can not generate.

China on the other hand has a growing economy although the stats may have been manipulated to display a higher growth trajectory. What is not in doubt is its enormous reserves it has developed and its ambition to be a world power. It is achieving influence by investing abroad.

BD is notoriously poor in getting FDI but its economy is motoring due to internal demand and growth through own resources.

China and Japan comes in where BD needs loans where international lending agencies are unable to help. These loans are for infastructural projects.

There is an economic and political dimention to how a lender is selected.
Economically BD conservative fiscal policies mean that our indebtedness which is currently around 30% will not be allowed to grow so there is no chance of getting into a debt trap with anyone. A self imposed debt ceiling limits loans irrespective of how much is offered by potential lenders.

The political dimention ensures BD will select lenders on prestige projects with consideration to BDs strategical positioning. There are not too much differences in terms of rates offered by lenders. Japan won the port contract not because their bid was the best but because of BDs need to balance between global hedgemons and embracing everyone and alienating none.

Lets stop lionising or demonising any country. Each follows its self interest as does BD. Japan is a second tier player from BDs view compared to the likes on US, China, EU and India. Infact i would say Japan is an extension of US rather than a player in its own right in BD (i say this not to belittle Japan but as a country it can not have an independent foreign, military or economic policy as per WW2). The lending issue will mean even less as soon as BD formally graduate out of LDC and credit becomes cheaper as BD long term credit rating remains a stable BB-.

Very soon given how little debt we have and general economic strength and resilience we are likely to solely rely of international lending agencies like IMFs rather than go for GTG loans.

We have self financed the padma bridge , hopefully its not long before we finance all major investments through own resource or own lending deals on the open market.

Great post and makes economist non-experts like me grasp the basics.

However see brother @beijingwalker's post after yours where he highlights how much FDI Myanmarese have been able to attract in spite of the instability in their country vis-a-vis our situation. Their labor costs may also be equal or a bit higher than ours.

Our economy has a couple of advantages that the Myanmarese economy doesn't have though, that is a traditionally much more mature market-driven economy with internal consumption-driven growth and the younger-population demographic dividend factor as well.

You briefly touched on this - but if you could elaborate...
 
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If Japan love you that much, why when they need foreign workers, they go to Myanmar instead of Bangladesh?

So, what do you want to say about JPN-MM relationship? But, anyway, have ever read about the "Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere" foreign policy adopted by Imperial Japan in 1930? Read about it and you will understand why Japan had many mills and factories in Manchuria (Manchukuo) of China, Korea, and Taiwan which it built in all those areas sometime after the 1900s.

If you understand the "Greater --------", you will understand why Japan is still more interested to develop the countries that it occupied/colonized after 1900. The western front of these countries is Burma. This country was occupied by the Japanese Imperial Army during the Pacific War and its development has become a Japanese responsibility by definition of "Greater East Asia Co-prosperity Sphere"

Please read about it and you will know why Japan invested many hundred billions of dollars (FDI) also in your China in the 1980s that kick-started its progress. Bangladesh is/was not part of that Japanese sphere, but still, it has been helping BD to develop since Pakistan time. Have you ever read of the Kaptai Hydroelectric Project, Chittagong Steel Mills, Habiganj Fertilizer Factory, Triple Superphosphate Fertilizer Factory in Patenga, Ghorasal Urea Fertilizer factory and so on?

In Asia, it is only Japan that can help us build similar things. Other countries do not have that kind of technological superiority. By the way, does China have the required chemical process technology to build a Urea fertilizer factory by itself in BD? Study more before you answer.

Take your time before answering because I am busy watching "宮鎖心玉: Palace".
 
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