Bangladesh brings down open defecation to 1pc

[Nabil365]

Singapore had this crazy laws against spitting in the public. maybe we need some of those

Even chewing gums are banned unless recommended by dentist.

 

[Gibbs]

He is not Indian. He claimed he was Keralite (mallu) and he can't speak one word of it when approached.

A typical false flagger.



Sorry they have low institutional capacity (BD) combined with few of the UN agencies doing their own independent fieldwork for ground verification. They just accept the susceptible BBS data as verbatim truth (they dont really have much other option, why would they want to cause conflict with member countries being the UN?...they don't have really much

staff to do surveying themselves worldwide anway). The BD members here always bring up "who do you think gathers the data" when I bring up UN data gathering and analysis process anyway.....they can't have it both ways. When BD has some credible institutional capacity, I will take their figures more seriously. Same goes for Afghanistan, Malawi and whichever other countries UNICEF has mentioned in the same bracket.

With such poor institution capacity, non-UN agencies matter much more....just like the US (cuban expat based) truth finding missions into Cuban healthcare and just like liveability index by the economist into Dhaka (which they rated terrible - near the bottom, yes for sanitation, health and living conditions too)....and many other examples. If there are "reputable" "NGO"s lets seem them and their reports. They are always mentioned, never produced (and sorry I don't count BD origin "NGO"s as reputable, honest) and I never see any detailed mention of their sampling and data gathering....often just regurgitating of BBS claims.

All UN indices credibility therefore really correlate closely with institutional capacity in my opinion. It hurts the BD people here a lot because they are truly scared when real accounts like this one pop out even here:

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/why-...l-suck-for-a-long-time-my-perspective.441599/

So like I said, India cares more about dealing with its problems without comparing to countries with miniscule institutional capacity (which bases its own existence on a lie regarding genocide of 3 million harnessing this) that can easily just lie to its own people and others (under the immense corruption at all levels they are riddled with to begin with...and more worryingly stuck in) without much blowback. You can sugar coat and lie as much you want, just like the US media did about Trump....the reality eventually beats it to a pulp (like what real people that visit Dhaka and BD actually report back to others). The on the ground dissonance experienced (and filmed by) the few foreign people visiting Dhaka speaks quite clearly too....but the BD people hate seeing that again and report my post....so I don't really care much about creating any more debate with them on that.

While you easily dismiss Bangladeshi govt sources you do not hesitate to use Indian govt sources to highlight perceived progress in India or to disseminate multi lateral studies done by UN bodies using data provided by the Indian govt sources

We are on track for at least 90% ODF I would say by 2019 elections.

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Given that the lack of credibility of some of those Indian govt agencies, even questioned by the governor of the central bank of India.. I find it quite hypocritical.. After all most of these agencies main job is to paint a rosy pic to the outside world, Be it in India or Bangladesh

Especially when you have highly nationalist/populist govts making policies

And mate often times lately i have noticed you going at lengths to question methodologies used by International bodies, Whenever any report is published even minutely negative of India.. I'd expect better balanced analysis from a person like you who's more nuanced in economic and financial background

 

[TopCat]

While you easily dismiss Bangladeshi govt sources you do not hesitate to use Indian govt sources to highlight perceived progress in India or to disseminate multi lateral studies done by UN bodies using data provided by the Indian govt sources



Given that the lack of credibility of some of those Indian govt agencies, even questioned by the governor of the central bank of India.. I find it quite hypocritical.. After all most of these agencies main job is to paint a rosy pic to the outside world, Be it in India or Bangladesh

Especially when you have highly nationalist/populist govts making policies

And mate often times lately i have noticed you going at lengths to question methodologies used by International bodies, Whenever any report is published even minutely negative of India.. I'd expect better balanced analysis from a person like you who's more nuanced in economic and financial background

http://www.outlookindia.com/newswir...n-free-village-to-be-named-after-trump/970692

Haryana's Open Defecation-Free Village To Be Named After Trump

 

[Homo Sapiens]

http://www.outlookindia.com/newswir...n-free-village-to-be-named-after-trump/970692

Haryana's Open Defecation-Free Village To Be Named After Trump

Surely,a big big achievement for India.I wish president Trump to personally inaugurate those toilet in that village as a sign of growing Indo-American bonhomie.

 

[Gibbs]

Deterrence is paramount.. I'm not going to comment on first world cities in Australia, But deterrence has been a major success story in Sri Lanka, It's cities are relatively much cleaner to rest of the region if anyone who had been there can attest to.. The reason authorities coming down hard on littering, There is a special police unit called environmental police that monitor and place heavy fines on people that litter public spaces.. Over time majority of the population inherently refrain from literring due deterrence becoming a habit

But then again garbage is not a simple problem to handle, Especially in high density population centers

Guys following up on my point about deterrence.. This today from a daily in Colombo.. It seems they have introduced the system of segregating garbage from households for recycling, but some residents have been reluctant to do so.. Hence..

About 1,200 arrested for dumping garbage


About 1,200 individuals had been arrested for dumping garbage in a haphazard manner in the Western Province, the Police said today.

Releasing a statement the Police Department said the individuals were arrested between June 18 and 27.

The highest numbers of individuals were arrested from Gampaha, while Kalutara reported the lowest number of arrests.

“250 were arrested from Gampaha, 215 from Central Colombo, 169 from Colombo North, 153 from Kelaniya, 140 from Nugegoda, 85 from Panadura, 72 from Colombo South, 65 from Negombo, 27 from Mount Lavinia and 4 from Kalutara,” a Spokesman for the Police said.

The raids were conducted by the Police Department in collaboration with the Sri Lanka Army.

Meanwhile, speaking to the Daily Mirror previously Colombo Municipality Commissioner V. K. A. Anura said the arrests would continue in the city until individuals stopped dumping garbage in a haphazard manner in the city.

The operation commenced on June 15, was aimed at reducing the 650 metric tons of garbage collected by the Colombo Municipality within its limits, he said.

During a media conference, Anura stated that Municipality workers had cleared out at least 200 metric tons of garbage dumped haphazardly on the streets each day with most of the said waste generated from large production facilities.

“We used to collect about 1,000 metric tons of garbage before we started to segregate and now we collect much less in Colombo. This is because people are more conscious of the waste they generate,” he said.

Last week, Minister of Provincial Councils Faiszer Musthapha said mobile monitoring teams deployed by the Ministry had identified 2, 336 persons, while dumping garbage on roads in a haphazard manner.

He also said steps would be taken to set up street cameras to identify persons who dump garbage on the roadside and in public places.

http://www.dailymirror.lk/131955/Ab...arbage?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

 

[Nilgiri]

While you easily dismiss Bangladeshi govt sources you do not hesitate to use Indian govt sources to highlight perceived progress in India or to disseminate multi lateral studies done by UN bodies using data provided by the Indian govt sources

I hold everything relative to the institutional capacity and overall freedom prevalence of the countries involved. You can check where BD and others in region are rated in the corruption perception index and cato freedom index yourself (and the trend in the rank more crucially).

India is far from perfect on those two fundamental measurements (and I thus take the relevant amount of salt for their govt/organisation released indices, data and numbers)...I just have to take several magnitudes more (somewhere just short of LD50 for NaCl) for BD (and other countries in its range or worse) given their ranking in such, below some truly shocking countries (and not even improving on those two fronts...and actually declining).

Real BD people I have talked to (unlike the butthurt and denial crowd on this forum) know and are frank and open to just how much the BD govt lies, deceives and has a clear motivation to do so, regarding development, economy or any other subject. They don't have the RTI streams to challenge it, neither a competent or fair and independent court system. In fact I got the same BD people I know to have a look at many of the bold claims and statements made by the BD people (referencing their govt or otherwise) on this forum quite a few times...they dont hold them in high regard and have told me what the crowd here likely psychologically suffers from (having to cling to something when the reality they face is quite different). TIFWIW of course. Its the same exact thing when say the economist actually visits Dhaka themselves....and makes a liveability index. They going to say there's a big conspiracy/error afoot with the economist now?....just like they have said about the ICP PPP multiplier calculation for BD?

When there are neutral organisations with supposed 3rd party verification in play that can support the claims, I simply ask for the reports showing that by them, including how they sampled and verified (independently and coherently....very important). Not an iota given by anyone thus far on that matter....because they know inherently the base reference data always originates in the same BBS stats each time (say with BRAC or other claimed NGOs). Its case closed for me, because simply these people here are just inept in presenting their case.....after all not one has answered what I specifically asked them about how life expectancy is calculated and which elements there are the most sensitive for potential doctoring of the final figures...not one has answered (they simply do not know, or know where to look). When people do not know something, they largely throw emotional rants at it. Its not like BD people are any fundamentally different on that...its just amusing they care so much about me posting in contrast to them....they take it as an attack on them and their country. To me someone that has nothing to hide and is confident in that, would not be so sensitive about such. That's the impression I get and its confirmed by the RL BD friends I have who I really don't want to bother anymore about this forum anymore (given the sheer lack of quality in this subforum specifically).

@madokafc @Aung Zaya @LA se Karachi

Given that the lack of credibility of some of those Indian govt agencies, even questioned by the governor of the central bank of India.. I find it quite hypocritical.. After all most of these agencies main job is to paint a rosy pic to the outside world, Be it in India or Bangladesh

Especially when you have highly nationalist/populist govts making policies

And mate often times lately i have noticed you going at lengths to question methodologies used by International bodies, Whenever any report is published even minutely negative of India.. I'd expect better balanced analysis from a person like you who's more nuanced in economic and financial background

Thus I point you to the two indices measuring institutional capacity and realised freedom capacity w.r.t govt. Thats the metric I judge figures released by govts and their organs relative to each other. The capacity of such for Somalia is not the same as Sweden. Neither is it the same for India and BD (though the disparity is not as severe, but still very significant).

When there is availability of 3rd party (non govt) in lieu of capacity compromised countries, I need to see evidence they were independent and their sampling regime...so I can apply the basic n/N parameters to get an approximate confidence level.

Although Bangladesh and Pakistan have somewhat lower per capita income than India, both of these countries have actually lower poverty rate than India.Resource distribution in India is very skewed.India is a country of many billionaire as well as the high poverty rate.Moreover there is a huge regional imbalance within India.Thier richest state(Delhi) have per capita income 8 times higher than poorest state(Bihar). This type of economic imbalance is not seen either in developed or developing countries.Even in China where coastal provinces have experienced much more rapid economic growth compare to rest of China,gap is not that extreme.
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.DDAY?locations=BD-IN-PK

World bank poverty measurement is in a big state of flux as it is. Not exactly an apples to apples situation exists right now, but maybe it will improve quite soon:

http://pubdocs.worldbank.org/pubdoc...09701443800596288/PRN03-Oct2015-TwinGoals.pdf

From Box 2:

Box 2 Why poverty in India could be even lower

Poverty measures for India are based on the household expenditure surveys done as part of the National Sample Surveys (NSS). Since NSS began in the 1950s, it has used 30-day recall for consumption of both food and nonfood items to measure expenditures. These so-called “uniform reference period” (URP) consumption aggregates collected in every consumption survey (except 1999/2000) provide the longest consistent series for measuring poverty in India. Historically, these have been the basis of the World Bank’s poverty estimates for India at the international poverty line.

Since 2015 is the target year for the Millennium Development Goals, the assessment of changes in poverty over time is best based on the URP method, which was used to set the baseline poverty rates for India in 1990. For 2011/12, India’s poverty rate using URP-based consumption was 21.2 percent.

The National Sample Survey Organization introduced a new consumption series based on a “modified mixed reference period” (MMRP) in the 2009/10 survey. The MMRP series (which modified the 30-day recall to a 7-day recall for some food items and to a 1-year recall for low-frequency nonfood consumption items) was recommended as a more accurate reflection of consumption expenditures, following experimental rounds to examine non-sampling errors.a As a result of the shorter recall period for food items, MMRP-based consumption expenditures in both rural and urban areas are 10–12 percent larger than URP-based aggregates. These higher expenditures, combined with a high population density around the poverty line, translates to a significantly lower poverty rate of 12.4 percent for 2011/12.

The MMRP, which is available from 2009/10 onward, is expected to be the consumption aggregate of choice for monitoring poverty in the future. This year’s MMRP-based estimate of 12.4 percent will set the baseline for future India and global poverty estimates, one consequence of which will be a break in the global series.

End note: a MMRP is a modified version of the Mixed Reference Period (MRP), which has used two recall periods, 30 days for some items and 365 for others; the NSS consumption surveys have used these two recall periods since the early 1990s.