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Ouch .... Shahid ap ke dil pe bought zor se lagi hai baat.
Anyways are you Bangladeshi or Indian? Ethnically I mean...
Yes we are poor and beggar nation as you put it but we have our own challenges... 2 of our neighbours are our mortal enemy and third are also fanatics. We are fighting an enemy 7x our size and we have to maintain that army for our protection .

Where as Bangladesh has no such problem. Non of their neighbours are their enemies heck they don't even have enemy in the world .
So it is quite logical not to have defence forces. Bangladesh could become something like Scotland, a totally dependent country which is only connected to Britain for defence, monarchy and few other things. And so it saves them a lot of trouble.
You Bangladeshi are werid, you take any opinion so hard and you egos went sky rocketing .
Yes Pakistan has lost bangaldesh and Bangladeshi are ruling it. Its a sad thing, but still we never let India merge bangaldesh and Atleast bangaldesh become a sovereign nation .
But now there is no need for it .
India a far bigger economy can support your defence needs while you can become developed country by 2050 .
And people of bengal from both sides want this be it Hindu or Muslim .
Pakistani punjab doesn't consist of punjabis only, it has many ethnicities such as sirikis, potoharis, rajistanis and others.. And we have.no connection back to Indian punjab . Half of Indian punjabis don't even understand punjabi accents and they are all Sikhs.
So it's very illogical to say that.


Why?
What are your reasons for saying that?
Please elaborate ?
Look let me explain logically (usually it doesn't have any effect though)
Pakistan is a union and India is a union . Pakistan has 5 provinces .
Each province has Atleast 4 different major ethnicities. They are seperate provinces pre partition and they were merged after Pakistan was created which is very wrong step but we are in the process of making new provinces inshallah.
India has many ethnicities .
Pakistan has many ethnicities .
Only punjabi ethnicity is common with Indian punjab . Neither Sindh, nor balochistan, nor kpk, nor gilgit baltistan has any common nationality with Pakistan .

But bangaldesh has only one ethnicity.
And they are same with the Indian ethnicity.. Bangladeshi people love to shop in calcutta . Bangladeshi people love to watch Indian bengal channels . Even bangla people of different religion love each other .
Hindu bangla or Muslim bangla are same people.
Bangaldesh negates the 2 nation theory and form they nation on the base of ethnicity . How can they form an ethnic nation and not unite the bengal?
The dream of forming an ethnic bangla nation is not yet fulfilled.
India is too powerful to fight .
But you can unite under Indian Union, even can be autonomous under Indian Union.
The benefits are tremendous for you.
You can spend the money used on the defence on your people and become a developed country by 2050.
The creation of Bangladesh I repeat is on the basis of ethnicity and it is incomplete untill the both sides of bangal unite.
While Pakistani ethnicities have nothing common with Indian ones .
Hence there is no desire in people for merger or anything as exist between two sides of bengal .

When you troll expect a trolling response.

We created the muslim league and we fought for Muslim sovereign nation long before you lot pitched in half heartedly.

Today you have Pakistan because of us.

Why would we want autonomy when we are a sovereign nation. You insult yet can not take it when the mirror is put in front of your face.

We will develop and create the golden bengal. We are dependent on no nation and rely on our people alone. We will fail many times but we will persevere and succeed. We are the only sovereign state who have come out of the british raj retaining our identity and nation and our progress will carry on unabated. Your shade do not mean a damn thing.

I wish Pakistan all the best but do no expect a soft ride when you insult us.
 
When you troll expect a trolling response.

We created the muslim league and we fought for Muslim sovereign nation long before you lot pitched in half heartedly.

Today you have Pakistan because of us.

Why would we want autonomy when we are a sovereign nation. You insult yet can not take it when the mirror is put in front of your face.

We will develop and create the golden bengal. We are dependent on no nation and rely on our people alone. We will fail many times but we will persevere and succeed. We are the only sovereign state who have come out of the british raj retaining our identity and nation and our progress will carry on unabated. Your shade do not mean a damn thing.

I wish Pakistan all the best but do no expect a soft ride when you insult us.
Don't know why you think I am insulting you. My opinions may sound werid but I do believe them.
We do appreciate and respect the bengalis and their struggle for us to get a free country and that today we live in a free country .
But you yourself part ways and negate the very idea of pakistan .
Infact when ever a good news came from bangaldesh every Pakistani look at it with pride and even pray one day as you say golden bengal inshallah.
And come one friend, what Pakistan shade ? Come out of your Pakistan hysteria, its been 50 years now. You are an independent nation and Pakistanis treat you as one. And seriously why would we cast a bad shade towards you. There is simple no logic. All we want from you is being a little anti Pakistan and both countries would coexist without knowing each other.
Stop hating pakistan as Pakistania don't hate Bangladeshis.
You are again maybe intentionally not getting my point.
Two nation theory is dead in case of bangaldesh. Your liberator has built your nation on that very principle.
Your values survived only because you are not ethnically diverse.. Being same ethnicity always helps develop faster. Look at England, Scotland and Ireland and their development. They are small. Countries with same ethnicities and they are developed and doing wonderful.
Similarly the concept of bangal nation on the base of ethnicity is incomplete.
Half of ethnic bengalis irrespective of religion still are not part of that great bangla nation. And dream of achieving a bangla nation cannot be fulfilled unless joined with Indian bengal.
That cannot happen. Unless you Join both bengal under Indian union. That would save you defence and other needs and give you a chance to releaize your dream of a true ethnic country under India where you have a pm and a forign minister but only defeence and presidency is with India . You are a whole country but within India. Such as chechenya in Russia , azad kashmir under Pakistan etc.
 
Why?
What are your reasons for saying that?
Please elaborate ?
Look let me explain logically (usually it doesn't have any effect though)
Pakistan is a union and India is a union . Pakistan has 5 provinces .
Each province has Atleast 4 different major ethnicities. They are seperate provinces pre partition and they were merged after Pakistan was created which is very wrong step but we are in the process of making new provinces inshallah.
India has many ethnicities .
Pakistan has many ethnicities .
Only punjabi ethnicity is common with Indian punjab . Neither Sindh, nor balochistan, nor kpk, nor gilgit baltistan has any common nationality with Pakistan .

But bangaldesh has only one ethnicity.
And they are same with the Indian ethnicity.. Bangladeshi people love to shop in calcutta . Bangladeshi people love to watch Indian bengal channels . Even bangla people of different religion love each other .
Hindu bangla or Muslim bangla are same people.
Bangaldesh negates the 2 nation theory and form they nation on the base of ethnicity . How can they form an ethnic nation and not unite the bengal?
The dream of forming an ethnic bangla nation is not yet fulfilled.
India is too powerful to fight .
But you can unite under Indian Union, even can be autonomous under Indian Union.
The benefits are tremendous for you.
You can spend the money used on the defence on your people and become a developed country by 2050.
The creation of Bangladesh I repeat is on the basis of ethnicity and it is incomplete untill the both sides of bangal unite.
While Pakistani ethnicities have nothing common with Indian ones .
Hence there is no desire in people for merger or anything as exist between two sides of bengal .

Bangladesh can take care of itself so it is good for BD to stay away from India. But PK will do far better within India with all those provinces remain as existing provinces of India.
 
Bangladesh can take care of itself so it is good for BD to stay away from India. But PK will do far better within India with all those provinces remain as existing provinces of India.
Lol if share anything common with India then I would say something. But if they don't then why would I take your stupidest argument here.
Bangladeshi have only one problem.
They have very high egos. Maybe due to some deep hidden inferiority complex.
Your Bangladeshi culture is a sub culture of India. And a dream which your liberator saw of creating a bangla nation is not complete.
While half of bengal resides inside India.
The true ethnic bengal country cannot take place unless both bengal are joined.
Now either creation of bangaldesh on ethic ground was wrong or not having a merger with its other half to form greater bengal is wrong?
Greater bengal is only possible if the two bengals merge under India .
You people can not fight India an hour .
So the best senerio that also serves bangaldesh as increase in space by merging two bengals, no defence expenditure, no presidency expenditures under Indian Union.
 
Lol if share anything common with India then I would say something. But if they don't then why would I take your stupidest argument here.
Bangladeshi have only one problem.
They have very high egos. Maybe due to some deep hidden inferiority complex.
Your Bangladeshi culture is a sub culture of India. And a dream which your liberator saw of creating a bangla nation is not complete.
While half of bengal resides inside India.
The true ethnic bengal country cannot take place unless both bengal are joined.
Now either creation of bangaldesh on ethic ground was wrong or not having a merger with its other half to form greater bengal is wrong?
Greater bengal is only possible if the two bengals merge under India .
You people can not fight India an hour .
So the best senerio that also serves bangaldesh as increase in space by merging two bengals, no defence expenditure, no presidency expenditures under Indian Union.

Big egos aren't limited to Bengalis if this forum is any indicator.

Regardless, your initial post in this thread has no real relevance unless you want to engage in philosophical discourse which also isn't really appropriate for this thread.

Thanks for your posts.

Feel free to continue if you can keep to the spirit of the thread.
 
Don't know why you think I am insulting you. My opinions may sound werid but I do believe them.
We do appreciate and respect the bengalis and their struggle for us to get a free country and that today we live in a free country .
But you yourself part ways and negate the very idea of pakistan .
Infact when ever a good news came from bangaldesh every Pakistani look at it with pride and even pray one day as you say golden bengal inshallah.
And come one friend, what Pakistan shade ? Come out of your Pakistan hysteria, its been 50 years now. You are an independent nation and Pakistanis treat you as one. And seriously why would we cast a bad shade towards you. There is simple no logic. All we want from you is being a little anti Pakistan and both countries would coexist without knowing each other.
Stop hating pakistan as Pakistania don't hate Bangladeshis.
You are again maybe intentionally not getting my point.
Two nation theory is dead in case of bangaldesh. Your liberator has built your nation on that very principle.
Your values survived only because you are not ethnically diverse.. Being same ethnicity always helps develop faster. Look at England, Scotland and Ireland and their development. They are small. Countries with same ethnicities and they are developed and doing wonderful.
Similarly the concept of bangal nation on the base of ethnicity is incomplete.
Half of ethnic bengalis irrespective of religion still are not part of that great bangla nation. And dream of achieving a bangla nation cannot be fulfilled unless joined with Indian bengal.
That cannot happen. Unless you Join both bengal under Indian union. That would save you defence and other needs and give you a chance to releaize your dream of a true ethnic country under India where you have a pm and a forign minister but only defeence and presidency is with India . You are a whole country but within India. Such as chechenya in Russia , azad kashmir under Pakistan etc.

This is not the place (thread) to discuss Bangladesh' right to exist or if it is a colony of India. I suggest you open a separate thread or respond to a relevant sticky thread.

You can start foaming at the mouth by repeating that Bangladesh should be a vassal state of India but you won't find one Bangladeshi taker for that idea. Of course if you were serious that is. Some of us believe you're simply trolling and troll-baiting.

Meanwhile - on the subject of Pakistani hatred of Bangladeshis (formerly East Pakistanis), please visit this thread and read, before passing further comments. These are factual unadulterated in-depth reports on 1971 that I posted from the NY Times archives and they outline the exact reasons that separated us. This should be mandatory reading for every Pakistani commenting on Bangladesh. Do your homework first.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/16th-december-1971-from-east-pakistan-to-bangladesh.84875/page-117
 
BOF has manufactured MANPAD FN-16 in it's workshop and handed over first batch to army.Is this true?

I have no doubts. This is a pretty low-tech item and not overly complicated. I am sure the IR sensor/seeker/tracker and dry-fuel rocket motor is supplied by Chinese supplier (Long March). Don't know what the difference between the latest version of FN-6 adopted by Pakistan and FN-16 made locally in Bangladesh is as far as indigenous content.

IMHO FN-16 is the latest version of the American MANPAD stinger.

This was mentioned as early as 2015....

http://www.newagebd.net/124138/pm-f...ernity-in-army/#sthash.qZlQyPZR.3zTfz3iT.dpbs

"The prime minister said her government in the third term in its office has undertaken many pragmatic programmes for further development of the army within a very shortest possible time. She said Bangladesh Ordnance Factory has undertaken a plan for manufacturing anti aircraft missile FN-16 which would get real shape very soon. The missile would introduce Bangladesh to the world anew, she added."

We should start indigenizing manufacture of Baktar Shikan or HJ-8 ATGM locally at a minimum unless done already. I know we have advanced Russian ATGMs such as METIS-M1, and Chinese ones such as PF-98. However a common low cost basic ATGM needs to be made locally.

One more video,

 
Article about East Bengal Regiment - Largest Army group in the country now and how they saved Lahore from annihilation in the 1965 India-Pakistan war.

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1965 INDO-PAK WAR: BUSTING THE MYTH

1965 Indo-Pak War: Busting the myth

Air Cdre (Retd) Ishfaq Ilahi Choudhury

THIS article is to recall the 17-day war of Sep 1965 between India and Pakistan that, among other things, helped to do two things as far as the Bengalis were concerned. One, it completely destroyed the myth created about the Bengalis being a non-martial race. And secondly, it exposed the lax preparedness for the defence of the eastern wing of the country.

President Ayub Khan of Pakistan, in his book “Friends Not Masters”, had exposed the discriminatory mindset of the Pakistani establishment towards their Bengali compatriots. The September War was an opportunity for the Bengalis in the armed forces to vindicate their military prowess.

Forty nine years ago on 6 September 1965, a full-scale war broke out between India and Pakistan. It was a short 17-day war that was virtually confined to West Pakistan and parts of the disputed territory of Kashmir. As the war unfolded, the Bengalis all over Pakistan were excited over the stories of heroism by the 1st Battalion, The East Bengal Regiment (EBR) in the defence of the key Pakistani city of Lahore.

Also in the air, stories of valour by Bengali pilots of Pakistan Air Force (PAF) greatly inspired the Bengali youths. The West Pakistanis used to belittle the Bengalis by calling them a non-martial race; this was belied by the military prowess and bravery shown by the officers and men of Bengali origin. The war also exposed the eastern wing's vulnerabilities with so little military assets to defend it. The war is virtually forgotten in Bangladesh today, despite the fact that the Bengalis played an important part in it.

Pakistani leadership at that time had led the nation to a disastrous war that was fraught with serious political and military lapses. After the debacle in the border war with China in 1962, India started a massive expansion and modernization of its armed forces with generous aid from the Soviet Union and Western powers. Pakistani leadership realized that the possibility of militarily pressurizing India was fast slipping away as the power balance tilted more towards India. They started planning a secret military operation to force India to come to a negotiated settlement on Kashmir.

In early August 1965, Pakistan launched a clandestine operation, code named “Operation Gibraltar”. The aim was to infiltrate inside Indian held Kashmir and to demolish bridges, cutoff supply lines, etc to create panic among the populace. They also set up a radio station, called “Sada-e-Kashmir”, purported to be the voice of the Mujahedin fighting for Kashmir's liberation. The assumption was that the radio broadcast, along with the guerilla activities, will trigger a general uprising among the Kashmiris. None of that happened. In fact, many of these infiltrators were arrested, killed in encounters and often were handed over to the authority by the locals. By the end of August, Operation Gibraltar petered out; remnants of the so-called Mujahedin tracked back to Pakistan.

On 1 September 1965, regular Pakistani troops crossed the cease fire line (CFL) and moved towards Jammu. The forces made quick advance and in the next couple of days threatened to cut Jammu-Srinagar road. The Indian PM gave a warning on 2 September that unless Pakistan withdrew its forces across the CFL, India would respond “at a time and place of its own choosing”. The Indian response came on 5-6 Sept night when it launched attacks across Sialkot and Lahore. The Indian response was full one month after the Pakistani incursion.

The Indian forces, besides threatening two key cities, poised to cut the vital Grand Trunk (GT) road. At this time, the 1st Battalion of the EBR was deployed in the defence of Lahore along the Bambawali- Ravi-Bedian canal, commonly known as BRB canal. They held their ground despite repeated Indian attacks. At the end of the war, this regiment had the honour of being awarded the highest number of gallantry awards among all the regiments of Pakistan Army.

In the air war that followed, Pakistan Air Force (PAF) had a qualitative edge over the IAF in terms of pilots and aircraft, which, despite IAF's quantitative advantage, gave PAF a slight edge in the end. Here too, a number of PAF pilots of Bengali origin earned high military honour. Many Bengali soldiers and airmen embraced martyrdom and many others were wounded in battle.

By the second week into the war, Pakistani forces were running out of ammunition and spares. US had imposed on both the warring sides an arms embargo which hurt Pakistan badly because almost all her weapons were of US origin. Pakistan had no option but to accept a UN resolution for a ceasefire to take effect from 22 September 1965. An initiative by the Soviet Premier Alexei Kosygin, resulted in a peace deal, known as “The Tashkent Declaration”, signed by the warring parties on 4 January 1966 in Tashkent. T

he declaration was hailed as a new beginning of peace. It stated that both countries will pull back their forces to pre-war positions, will restore economic and diplomatic ties and will initiate orderly exchange of prisoners. The treaty was viewed by many Pakistanis as a diplomatic defeat for President Ayub. Ayub never recovered from the fall of his stature after Tashkent and was ousted four years later in the face of popular uprising.

This was a war that had no clear victor or vanquished. The aim of the Pakistani high command was to seize a portion of Kashmir to force India to the negotiating table; on the other hand, India's aim was to stop any Pakistani incursion and not to allow external interference in the Kashmir issue.

In the end, India largely achieved her aim and objectives, while Pakistan was in disarray. The facade of democracy that President Ayub created was shattered because what to speak of the ordinary people, even the Parliament or the Cabinet was not consulted when the vital decision to send infiltrators into Kashmir was taken.

On the economic front, Pakistan suffered badly due to war. The 3rd Five Year Plan (1965-70) was virtually in tatters. 6% GDP growth rate of early 1960s almost stalled by the end of the decade. East Pakistan was cut-off from its western wing during the War. A deep sense of separatism and alienation grew in East Pakistan as an aftermath. The war raised the issue of the defence of East Pakistan. With only one infantry division, a squadron of fighters and no naval assets, except for a few patrol crafts, East Pakistan was virtually defenseless.

In June 1966, the Awami League in its 6-Point Programme demanded greater defence investment in East Pakistan which soon became a rallying point for the Bengalis. Among the demands were shifting of the NHQ to Chittagong, establishment of an ordnance factory and raising of a paramilitary force to augment the defense of the eastern wing. The Bengali soldiers, sailors and airmen proved that as professional military men they are second to none. We honour those valiant sons of the soil who gave their best in the field of battle in September 1965 to keep up the honour and dignity of the Bengali nation. Many veterans of 65-War displayed the same valour in the Bangladesh Liberation War in 1971.

The writer is Registrar, East West University, Dhaka
 
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@Avicenna
Until you prove that Bangladeshi troops is not part of so called "UN scandals mission" then Bangladeshi soldiers are involved. If Bangladeshi Army officers violate human rights under the hood of RAB, then they can do anything in UN mission when nobody to supervise them. You get my point.
 
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I discussed amphibious LAVs including the OTOKAR Cobra and Cobra II sometime back here,
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/bangladesh-army-has-standardized-turkish-cobra-2-as-lav.542568/

Bangladesh Army have now standardized on the OTOKAR Cobra and Cobra II. IMHO, the amphibious IFV's and LAV's in Bangladesh need to have a far more intense/explicit training regime/schedule and need to have more firepower and 'bite' than they have now (current versions are for light peacekeeping role for the UN and are inappropriate for a defence role). IMHO we severely underestimate the role of amphibious IFV's in our defence doctrine and the time is overdue to correct that flaw.

We also need to ensure that the Cobra II's can mount our existing ATGM's or at least 76/80mm cannons (or we need to get a larger amphibious IFV like Arma 6X6 which can). These amphibious IFV's can then work in coordination with our riverine patrol boats to patrol as well as defend our very watery territory during the monsoons. The reason for this is logistics (or rather, the lack of it). You cannot have enough Landing crafts (or even pontoons) available to transport/ferry armored vehicles across the hundreds of rivers we have.

Arma 6X6 with Bozok Turret Systems (Turkey) MXT 25 electrically operated cannon and turret
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Otokar unveiled its new generation "AKREP II" armoured vehicle family (JV with Axletech) at IDEF 2019 in Istanbul, Turkey on April 30th. The version below (a bit larger than a Cobra II but still a light armored vehicle) has a max speed of 110KMPH and is equipped (as shown) with a roof-top weapon station, which is armed with 90mm cannon and 25mm heavy machine guns. I suspect that the Axletech collaboration consists of
  • Modified US Market commercial truck chassis underpinnings (probably a hopped up Ford F350 commercial truck chassis with heavier frame stiffening as well as larger brakes/clutch/transfer box)
  • Optional steerable rear axle
  • Optional electric direct-motor-drives on all four corners a la the Tesla civilian market vehicles.
Sad story - that small town backwoods workshops with ten people on staff in the US can do these welded modifications to make defense vehicles worth millions of dollars while these Bangladeshi defense purchaser Ch*tiy*as run to third countries like Turkey to buy these vehicles, only in exchange of bribes. We possess EVERY friggin' technology available to make these (or can import them - e.g. turret systems) to make these light armored vehicles locally. Sorry for the rant.

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I had suggested earlier in one thread that we should ask to take either older M1117 Guardian IFV's,
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or newer Canadian LAV-25 IFV's,
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from US or Canadian surplus stock, both of which have amphibious capability. These have far more firepower with at least 30mm cannons compared with the OTOKARs. Some have modified 76/80mm turrets. We should really try to induct these older IFV's at bargain prices (provided they are on offer or available), engine spares for which are very economical in the US commercial markets (or can be re-engined with newer commercial truck engines).

For Chinese firepower, these below are the amphibious IFV choices. Some of our older posters here will probably remember (and maybe help us recount) the larger-than-life role of the Indian amphibious IFV's (mostly PT-80's) during the final push toward Dhaka in December 1971. Some of the Chinese amphibious tanks are derived from the BMP3.

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ZTL-11 used by Chinese Marine Corps. which uses a British 'Royal Ordnance L7' 105 mm cannon
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The Royal Thai Army ordered 34 VN-1 amphibious armoured cars from China in March of this year. The vehicles are also known as export versions of China's ZBL-09 Snow Leopard armored personnel carrier. All Chinese amphibious IFV's and APC's can be equipped with the British Royal Ordnance L7 105mm assault gun equipped turrets.
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The Bangladesh Army received a new batch of Guided Multiple Launch Rocket (GMLRS) System from China supplied by the China Aerospace Long March International Co. Ltd (ALIT) in accordance with a high value government-to-government contract that included a loan package for the artillery systems.
https://www.bdmilitary.com/…/china-delivers-further-gmlrs-…/

 
The Bangladesh Army has taken delivery of another series of WS-22 Guided Multiple Launch Rocket Systems from China's ALIT Co Ltd.

The Army started receiving these highly capable rocket systems from China since 2014. Half of the Army's artillery brigades would be equipped with these systems whilst remaining others will receive another longer range rocket system from Turkey.

The Bangladesh Army is the launch customer for the WS-22A GMLRS and it is also its largest user at present.

Range: 20~45 km
Munitions: Guided, Unguided
CEP: <100 m

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The Bangladesh Army is seeking to induct Vehicle Mounted Ground Penetrating Radar systems presumably as part of its C-IED strategy which uses various types of technologies to detect, disarm or neutralise IED threats.

https://dgdp.gov.bd/dgdp/AP_TEN/notice/551.pdf

Also army is re-evaluating weapon locating radar.

https://dgdp.gov.bd/dgdp/AP_TEN/notice/542.pdf

The Bangladesh Army awarded a contract to Turkish software company Simsoft for two simulators including a BTR-80 armoured vehicle driving and firing simulator and an air defence gun simulator based on Oerlikon GDF-009 35mm twin air defence gun in 2017.

The BTR-80 driving and firing simulators were delivered to the Bangladesh Army last year whilst the training and acceptance tests were concluded at Simsoft’s premises recently.

The Advanced Air Defence Artillery System Simulator (ADASS) will enable the Bangladesh Army to train 35mm Oerlikon cannon gunners in applying track surveillance principles in virtual environment. The simulator system can estimate distance, intersection distance, interception and velocity of air targets. It can also train gunners to operate the ADASS in an ECCM environment.

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http://www.simsoft.com.tr/eng/a/50/visit-of-bangladesh-military-delegation

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