Bangladesh abstains in UNGA vote over Ukraine issue

[UKBengali]

Who gives a crap about what russians have done in other countries, not our issue.

There are many dimention to BDs vote.

Russians are building the roupour nuclear power plant which is at a critical stage. They were complete arse about the rohingya debacle but mature politics does not get hung up on past disagreement or agreement. Everything needs to considered on a point by point basis. Nothing must gepordise this multi billion dollar investment critical for future energy security and economic growth.

BD votes needs to be earned and should not be given away lightly. BD not simply following US is indication that BD makes choices for itself. It a sign that BD wont be joining the Quad on US dictat. Even better that India and China both took a neutral stand which gave us cover and validated our position.

We buy agri products from Ukraine and so this situation has some negative connotations for us. If we voted yes/no only then we would have chosen a side. Voting neutral leaves our cordial and transactional relationship with Ukraine intact.

BD remaining neutral was a considered act to futher BDs position. It was not an act of laziness or kowtowing to russians in any way.

As you say this was the right choice for BD and helps it maintain cordial ties with all the main players in the world like US, Europe, China and Russia.

BD is now looking at building another nuclear power plant and could potentially choose Russia again as it makes sense from a logistics point of view in that BD will have experience in operating the same kind of nuclear power plant.

Getting emotional about the Russian veto over Rohingya does not serve BD medium to long term interests.

Lastly I doubt that Ukraine will be sufficiently offended with us taking a neutral position to stop selling agricultural products to us in the future but it it happens then BD will just have to take the hit.

 

[mmr]

Who gives a crap about what russians have done in other countries, not our issue.

There are many dimention to BDs vote.

Russians are building the roupour nuclear power plant which is at a critical stage. They were complete arse about the rohingya debacle but mature politics does not get hung up on past disagreement or agreement. Everything needs to considered on a point by point basis. Nothing must gepordise this multi billion dollar investment critical for future energy security and economic growth.

BD votes needs to be earned and should not be given away lightly. BD not simply following US is indication that BD makes choices for itself. It a sign that BD wont be joining the Quad on US dictat. Even better that India and China both took a neutral stand which gave us cover and validated our position.

We buy agri products from Ukraine and so this situation has some negative connotations for us. If we voted yes/no only then we would have chosen a side. Voting neutral leaves our cordial and transactional relationship with Ukraine intact.

BD remaining neutral was a considered act to futher BDs position. It was not an act of laziness or kowtowing to russians in any way.

Wait till USA sanction Russian company building that power plant. its coming.

Russia will be same as north Korea or Iran. Does BD deal with N Koreans? No they don't.

It will only go down to shit for Russia and Putin going forward.

 

[mb444]

Wait till USA sanction Russian company building that power plant. its coming.

Russia will be same as north Korea or Iran. Does BD deal with N Koreans? No they don't.

It will only go down to shit for Russia and Putin going forward.

It is possible but improbable.

BD will seek exemption for roupour and it will be fine. There are many russian nuclear power plants in the world from china, india, eastern europe, turkey, finland, etc. US can not sanction just BD, we will be perfectly fine.

 

[mmr]

It is possible but improbable.

BD will seek exemption for roupour and it will be fine. There are many russian nuclear power plants in the world from china, india, eastern europe, turkey, finland, etc. US can not sanction just BD, we will be perfectly fine.

all will be under sanctions. same with BD

Trade with Russia will be impossible in future. Same case as iran. No one stop you to trade with iran as long as you ok with facing consequences.

 

[UKBengali]

It is possible but improbable.

BD will seek exemption for roupour and it will be fine. There are many russian nuclear power plants in the world from china, india, eastern europe, turkey, finland, etc. US can not sanction just BD, we will be perfectly fine.

You are correct there.

US is in no position to take on all the countries from China down to the poorest African ones that abstained in the resolution.

China has so little fear of the US/West that it even signs massive trade deals with the Russians just before the invasion! lol.

We need to remember that the West is no longer totally dominant and the West is in so much trouble due to the mishandling of Covid-19 and it's move to the "Green Agenda".

 

[leonblack08]

Wait till USA sanction Russian company building that power plant. its coming.

Russia will be same as north Korea or Iran. Does BD deal with N Koreans? No they don't.

It will only go down to shit for Russia and Putin going forward.

You are underestimating Russia and grossly overestimating the so called Western sanctions. Last we checked Iran is still under sanction and still managing to survive. Same goes for North Korea. Compared to them Russia is in great position of strength with 5th largest reserve and huge energy reserve. Sanctions will be nothing but mere dent.

Stop believing everything you watch on CBC and CNN.

Bangladesh won't be penalized for deals with Russia. US can't enforce that without completely driving BD into Chinese-Russo lap. There are so many complicating geopolitical factors at play that has to be taken into account. Just like why India survived sanctions despite buying S-400.

 

[Tom-tom]

Ok, Russia supoorted Myanmar over BD in 2017 when it could have abstained but overall I think it was the right thing to do.

Russians did a lot to facilitate the independence of BD, provided economic and military assistance after 1971 and to this day are important to BD in terms of nuclear power and military equipment.

The West is showing massive hypocrisy as they did far worse things in Iraq and Libya and also ignore and even facilitate the suffering of the Palestinians and Kashmiris.

Putin has gone too far and should have maybe just incorported the Russian speaking part of Eastern Ukraine and then left Ukraine alone.

Why was it the right thing for Russia to support Myanmar in 2017, over bd?

 

[UKBengali]

Why was it the right thing for Russia to support Myanmar in 2017, over bd?

You read my post wrong.

"Right thing to do" was meaning BD's abstention in the vote.

 

[mmr]

You are underestimating Russia and grossly overestimating the so called Western sanctions. Last we checked Iran is still under sanction and still managing to survive. Same goes for North Korea. Compared to them Russia is in great position of strength with 5th largest reserve and huge energy reserve. Sanctions will be nothing but mere dent.

Stop believing everything you watch on CBC and CNN.

Bangladesh won't be penalized for deals with Russia. US can't enforce that without completely driving BD into Chinese-Russo lap. There are so many complicating geopolitical factors at play that has to be taken into account. Just like why India survived sanctions despite buying S-400.

No i am not. Russia is energy super power? Lol. Alberta a tiny canadian province has more oil then russian. Not to mention Alberta also has sixth largest gas reserve. And that just Alberta not entire canada. Usa has massive gas and oil reserves too and can quickly produce millions if its needed. Within next 2 years eu will buy lng from north America only.

Russian bond is now junk status as we speak. There fx out of 650 almost 400 is seize. The fx russia build last 10 years is useless since 60 percent of its is in us dollar, euro, jap, or swiss. They cant liquidated it. Eu usa swiss and jap all seize russia assets and currency. Russian central bank dont have access to any of it.

Moscow stock market is close for last one week. Moment it open it will collapse. Did i mention there currency is now good to be use as toilet paper. After losing 40 percent value and interest went up to 20 percent. Ya uncle sam did this by just signing bunch of orders.

Now watch china use Russia as its bitch and as they sell ural select oil with deep discounts to China only. Western select now going for 100 plus.

iran and north korea doing great under sanctions. I am sure Russian will do too ha ha. Have u been to Moscow and saint pt? I have few times. They love everything European. Good luck with that life style.

And for bd no one cares. What will bd do if eu and usa ask to stop business with Russian? Stop sending cotton underwear to wallmart as revenge?

 

[leonblack08]

No i am not. Russia is energy super power? Lol. Alberta a tiny canadian province has more oil then russian. Not to mention Alberta also has sixth largest gas reserve. And that just Alberta not entire canada. Usa has massive gas and oil reserves too and can quickly produce millions if its needed. Within next 2 years eu will buy lng from north America only.

Russian bond is now junk status as we speak. There fx out of 650 almost 400 is seize. The fx russia build last 10 years is useless since 60 percent of its is in us dollar, euro, jap, or swiss. They cant liquidated it. Eu usa swiss and jap all seize russia assets and currency. Russian central bank dont have access to any of it.

Moscow stock market is close for last one week. Moment it open it will collapse. Did i mention there currency is now good to be use as toilet paper. After losing 40 percent value and interest went up to 20 percent. Ya uncle sam did this by just signing bunch of orders.

Now watch china use Russia as its bitch and as they sell ural select oil with deep discounts to China only. Western select now going for 100 plus.

iran and north korea doing great under sanctions. I am sure Russian will do too ha ha. Have u been to Moscow and saint pt? I have few times. They love everything European. Good luck with that life style.

And for bd no one cares. What will bd do if eu and usa ask to stop business with Russian? Stop sending cotton underwear to wallmart as revenge?

Dude, I live in Canada too. Who is talking about Alberta here? Russia has the world's largest reserve of gas and significant oil reserve too. Not to forget other natural resources in its vast area of land.

Besides since you brought up Alberta, if we were so keen on using oil sands, why had we been importing oil from Russia? Oil sands are the worst with regards to environment. The hypocrite Europeans will not accept that dirty oil from Canada. It will be phased out eventually. We couldn't even get a pipeline approved.

And fyi, Russia fx reserve is not held in USD. Do get your facts correct. It has a significant 45 percentage exposure in Euro, rest in Yuan and gold.

Just because people love everything European, doesn't mean a country cannot survive an economic sanction. You are just talking all over the place and not making any sense at all.

 

[nahtanbob]

International diplomacy is not always a one-way street. Neither it is black and white.

For BD, Ukraine issue falls in the gray zone because we depend also upon Russia.

Don't you depend on the EU for textile exports ?

You are correct there.

US is in no position to take on all the countries from China down to the poorest African ones that abstained in the resolution.

China has so little fear of the US/West that it even signs massive trade deals with the Russians just before the invasion! lol.

We need to remember that the West is no longer totally dominant and the West is in so much trouble due to the mishandling of Covid-19 and it's move to the "Green Agenda".

It is one thing to fight USA. It is another to resist combined USA/EU pressure.

Abstaining on this vote won't cost Bangladesh anything. I suppose you need spares and technical support for existing nuclear power plant, spares for military equipment. you will get a pass on those. Any new deals will have to be under the radar. Otherwise brace yourself for intense pressure

 

[jamahir]

That is just pathetic. Every one supported this except few third world shit holes. Oh ya i forgot bd is one of them lol. Keep up the good work world need more cheap underwear.

No, Bangladesh perhaps should become a puppet of NATO.

@BlindEagle, your ancestral land voted neutrally. It is not so eager as you to support Zelensky's Nazis.

 

[VikingRaider]

That is just pathetic. Every one supported this except few third world shit holes. Oh ya i forgot bd is one of them lol. Keep up the good work world need more cheap underwear.

This is a bigger picture than people are discussing. It's a show off of new world order.

Try to broaden your sight instead of fixed ideas.

Western world is collapsing , and their expansionist nature is soon to be over!

Many times I posted articles of Gautam Das a Bangladeshi political analysts.

Perhaps posted one for you two can't remember.

If you read them carefully and pay attention, I see his words are coming true.

Don't pay attention to Pianaky always. Though he is anti India,but his stance is always with west.

Better read the articles of Gautam Das who isn't as famous as Pinaky , but I found his ( Gautam das ) articls are holy grails!

Russia will be same as north Korea or Iran. Does BD deal with N Koreans? No they don't.

The world isn't a fantasy kingdom as west introduced to many of us @mmr.

Just wait and watch! You will be surprised to know years of western ruthless hegemony ( more than 200 years in in various forms ) is coming to an end!

 

[VikingRaider]

No i am not.

Yes you are. Keep in mind , Russia didn't start the invasion without the signal of China.

Russia doesn't have the capability of handling the whole war against the whole western block without the back up from China.

One doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to understand it. Open your eyes , you will see the real picture!

 

[bluesky]

Don't you depend on the EU for textile exports ?

- Yes, we depend upon the EU market for our exports. We are also seeking weapons, Rafael or ETF, from them. UK and France, both, agreed to sell their planes to us.

- However, Russia gave us diplomatic supports in 1971. It even sent submarines to balance the US presence in the BoB at that time. Russia is also building a nuclear power plant in BD at a cost of $12 billion.

Wise or unwise, but BD cannot probably take a side. We are a small country with a tiny economy that cannot afford it. Let the big countries decide the fate of Ukraine.