Bangaldeshi Armoured Corps: MBTs

[Joe Shearer]

Instead of labeling everyone how you're labeling them. Have a good debate instead! Yes they were called Bengal just like I mentioned. Are you saying there weren't any Bengali sepoys going in mutiny in 1865?

Certainly none in 1865.

None that are known in 1857.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Certainly none in 1865.

None that are known in 1857.

As far as I learned Indian history in my Indian school in Kuwait. Bengal mutiny was done by Bengal army that had its roots from nawab of Bengal and battle of plassey...

 

[Joe Shearer]

As far as I learned Indian history in my Indian school in Kuwait. Bengal mutiny was done by Bengal army that had its roots from nawab of Bengal and battle of plassey...

There was no Bengal mutiny as such, just part of the great Indian mutiny.
The Bengal Army was largely Bihari and UP bhaiyas.
It was not connected to Sirajuddowlah. The British started in India from three different locations, and each became a Presidency. By 1757, they had fought minor wars in Surat in the west; that later became the Bombay Presidency, when the British were given Bombay as a wedding present for their King; they had fought huge wars in Madras, and that became Madras Presidency, from where Clive climbed up the ladder; and finally, after Charnock established Calcutta, that became the Calcutta Presidency. This Calcutta Presidency initially had European troopers and some from Madras. When they recruited, they began recruiting from Bihar straightaway.
That Indian school in Kuwait needs its principal to be kicked in the backside for misleading his pupils.

 

[Michael Corleone]

There was no Bengal mutiny as such, just part of the great Indian mutiny.
The Bengal Army was largely Bihari and UP bhaiyas.
It was not connected to Sirajuddowlah. The British started in India from three different locations, and each became a Presidency. By 1757, they had fought minor wars in Surat in the west; that later became the Bombay Presidency, when the British were given Bombay as a wedding present for their King; they had fought huge wars in Madras, and that became Madras Presidency, from where Clive climbed up the ladder; and finally, after Charnock established Calcutta, that became the Calcutta Presidency. This Calcutta Presidency initially had European troopers and some from Madras. When they recruited, they began recruiting from Bihar straightaway.
That Indian school in Kuwait needs its principal to be kicked in the backside for misleading his pupils.

Governed by CBSE. They mentioned great Indian mutiny and also mentioned it as Bengal mutiny of 1857.

Edit: you're right. They should be kicked in the butt for not bringing proper teachers from India. Most from our school students barely managed to pass this years board exam.

No, that is incorrect. Please provide a source like I have.

Eh! Source? School? Anyways the same shit is written in Wikipedia I think.

 

[Nilgiri]

Edit: you're right. They should be kicked in the butt for not bringing proper teachers from India. Most from our school barely managed to pass this years board exam.

What school did you attend?

 

[kobiraaz]

Damn It looks like I need to order books on sepoy mutiny. I used to know that after 1857 Bengalis were excluded from Army under pretext of Martial race as Bengalis weren't trustworthy for the British Empire. Then again I respect Indian Bengalis like aged Joe Shearer, Labong, Roy as source. As least thousand times better than other indians. Oh Now I miss tiki tiki tam tam or something like that.

 

[kobiraaz]

No bengalis never took part in the 1857 mutiny, those were Biharis and UP people. Stop being deluded and stealing our history, name me one Bengali sepoy from 1857. Mangal Pandey and Bakht Khan were both from UP/Bihar.

You were basically a part of Bengal presidency. So it's not your history alone.

Plus Bengalis have carried out too many rebellions from 1757 to 1947 and never sided with British. So it doesn't really matter who fought in Sepoy Mutiny. The fakir sannyasi rebellion, Titumir's rebellion, Indigo revolt, Faraizi movement, Swadeshi Andolon, Subhash Chandra Bose we have many names to recount.

 

[kobiraaz]

Bengal Presidency was an administrative region, we have nothing else to do with Bengalis. Sindh in Pakistan was a part Bombay presidency but that doesn't make them South Indian Marathis. I don't care about the other rebellions, 1857 has nothing to do with Bangladeshis and that's a fact you need to accept.

I already accepted.

Khudiram Bose
Chittaranjan Das
Manmath Nath Gupta
Pritilata Waddeder
Jatindra Nath Das
Surja Sen
Ganesh Ghosh
Sri Aurobindo
Rash Behari Bose
Jogesh Chandra
Lokenath Bal
Ambika Chakrabarti
Badal Gupta
Dinesh Chandra Gupta
Barindra Ghosh
Profulla Chaki
Ullashkar Datta
Bhupendra Kumar Dutta
Hemchamdra
Bavanhushan Mitra
Bina Das
Kalpana Dutta
Binod Bihari
Amarendra nath
AtulKrishna
Subodh Roy
Subhash Chandra

Half of your heroes are Bengali. Bengalis don't need to hijack someone else's little glory moment.

 

[Michael Corleone]

What school did you attend?

Jabriya Indian school. It used to be the best in the gulf. Not anymore. It's rival... Indian community school and others are on top but this one.... forget about it.

Damn It looks like I need to order books on sepoy mutiny. I used to know that after 1857 Bengalis were excluded from Army under pretext of Martial race as Bengalis weren't trustworthy for the British Empire. Then again I respect Indian Bengalis like aged Joe Shearer, Labong, Roy as source. As least thousand times better than other indians. Oh Now I miss tiki tiki tam tam or something like that.

Same thing taught in Bangladesh too isn't it? Well I need to read up Indian history on my downtimes. Too much pressure for a medical student to find some alone time.

I already accepted.

Khudiram Bose
Chittaranjan Das
Manmath Nath Gupta
Pritilata Waddeder
Jatindra Nath Das
Surja Sen
Ganesh Ghosh
Sri Aurobindo
Rash Behari Bose
Jogesh Chandra
Lokenath Bal
Ambika Chakrabarti
Badal Gupta
Dinesh Chandra Gupta
Barindra Ghosh
Profulla Chaki
Ullashkar Datta
Bhupendra Kumar Dutta
Hemchamdra
Bavanhushan Mitra
Bina Das
Kalpana Dutta
Binod Bihari
Amarendra nath
AtulKrishna
Subodh Roy
Subhash Chandra

Half of your heroes are Bengali. Bengalis don't need to hijack someone else's little glory moment.

@Babu Kunwar Singh I don't know all of them in the list but one or two I know were Bengalis... any views on that?

 

[Joe Shearer]

You were basically a part of Bengal presidency. So it's not your history alone.

Plus Bengalis have carried out too many rebellions from 1757 to 1947 and never sided with British. So it doesn't really matter who fought in Sepoy Mutiny. The fakir sannyasi rebellion, Titumir's rebellion, Indigo revolt, Faraizi movement, Swadeshi Andolon, Subhash Chandra Bose we have many names to recount.

This is perfectly true, but I lost my temper with someone earlier because he tried to couple this closely with the Great Indian Mutiny. There was no connection; Bengal itself, and Bengalis themselves were not particularly concerned. After these remnants of resistance from the old regime that you mentioned, the Sannyasi Rebellion (I had not heard it called the Fakir Sannyasi Rebellion before, but after Anubis used that term and quoted his source, it seemed better to check my own sources first), Titumir's rebellion, the anti-Indigo movement, the next wave started in the 1880s, with the case of Surendranath Bannerjee, whose case became the first instance of all-India demonstration by Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Parsis, Christians, all united, in far flung places far from Bengal. Then the pre-Gandhi phase followed, and after that, from 1922, the Gandhian phase, where Jinnah played a major role from the mid-30s onwards.

The point to note is that except for the Great Indian Mutiny, Bengal was in the thick of things all along. The Great Indian Mutiny is not something glorious; it was a combination of factors, ALL belonging to the old regime, the immediate provocation of the jointly-annoying cartridge scandal, the Thakurs of Oudh, the Princes who had been dispossessed, the most prominent being Rani Lakshmibai, and, of course, the sepoys. None of these were elements that had a future; they were each and every one of them elements who had a past only.

Let us accept that Biharis and UP bhaiyas were the main movers of the Mutiny and go on.

I already accepted.

Khudiram Bose
Chittaranjan Das
Manmath Nath Gupta
Pritilata Waddeder
Jatindra Nath Das
Surja Sen
Ganesh Ghosh
Sri Aurobindo
Rash Behari Bose
Jogesh Chandra
Lokenath Bal
Ambika Chakrabarti
Badal Gupta
Dinesh Chandra Gupta
Barindra Ghosh
Profulla Chaki
Ullashkar Datta
Bhupendra Kumar Dutta
Hemchamdra
Bavanhushan Mitra
Bina Das
Kalpana Dutta
Binod Bihari
Amarendra nath
AtulKrishna
Subodh Roy
Subhash Chandra

Half of your heroes are Bengali. Bengalis don't need to hijack someone else's little glory moment.

Jobbor, guru, jobbor.

Why did you leave out Sher-e-Bangal Fazlul Haque (one of my personal heroes) and Hassan Shaheed Suhrawardy?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Damn It looks like I need to order books on sepoy mutiny. I used to know that after 1857 Bengalis were excluded from Army under pretext of Martial race as Bengalis weren't trustworthy for the British Empire. Then again I respect Indian Bengalis like aged Joe Shearer, Labong, Roy as source. As least thousand times better than other indians. Oh Now I miss tiki tiki tam tam or something like that.

No, no, that is perfectly true, but the blow was mainly on our neighbours, the bhaiyas.

My own theory is that the 'native' Bengali warrior clans were wiped out progressively by the Sanskritising element of Indian society, almost exactly in line with the British wiping out all but their own mis-called Martial Races. Remember the children's rhyme

Aga dum baga dum ghora dum shaaje ?

This was, according to some scholars, a hidden reference to the war-fighting elements in Bengal who were disenfranchised and dispossessed by the Sens, who were Karnataka people who took refuge in Bengal and took over as rulers soon.

And please, less of the 'aged'.

 

[Michael Corleone]

Anyways what's the current Bangladesh's plan of tank purchase? I read reports somewhere that they plan on 3 regiments of mbt2000. Well 2 since one is already delivered.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Bengal Presidency was an administrative region, we have nothing else to do with Bengalis. Sindh in Pakistan was a part Bombay presidency but that doesn't make them South Indian Marathis. I don't care about the other rebellions, 1857 has nothing to do with Bangladeshis and that's a fact you need to accept.

That's fine, but be a little sparing with your geography: it is distracting. Marathis are not south Indian.

 

[Michael Corleone]

This is perfectly true, but I lost my temper with someone earlier because he tried to couple this closely with the Great Indian Mutiny. There was no connection; Bengal itself, and Bengalis themselves were not particularly concerned. After these remnants of resistance from the old regime that you mentioned, the Sannyasi Rebellion (I had not heard it called the Fakir Sannyasi Rebellion before, but after Anubis used that term and quoted his source, it seemed better to check my own sources first), Titumir's rebellion, the anti-Indigo movement, the next wave started in the 1880s, with the case of Surendranath Bannerjee, whose case became the first instance of all-India demonstration by Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs, Parsis, Christians, all united, in far flung places far from Bengal. Then the pre-Gandhi phase followed, and after that, from 1922, the Gandhian phase, where Jinnah played a major role from the mid-30s onwards.

The point to note is that except for the Great Indian Mutiny, Bengal was in the thick of things all along. The Great Indian Mutiny is not something glorious; it was a combination of factors, ALL belonging to the old regime, the immediate provocation of the jointly-annoying cartridge scandal, the Thakurs of Oudh, the Princes who had been dispossessed, the most prominent being Rani Lakshmibai, and, of course, the sepoys. None of these were elements that had a future; they were each and every one of them elements who had a past only.

Let us accept that Biharis and UP bhaiyas were the main movers of the Mutiny and go on.



Jobbor, guru, jobbor.

Why did you leave out Sher-e-Bangal Fazlul Haque (one of my personal heroes) and Hassan Shaheed Suhrawardy?

Bro one question... is the great Indian mutiny combination of indigo movements and all other fights against British or does it refer to the sepoy mutinying?

 

[Armoured forever]

As far as I know horse resembles cavalry used in the ancient war