Ban Ki-moon to visit India; UNSC seat may top talks

[tvsram1992]

Can any of the Indians here answer this?

Power doesnt solely rely on economy . Response of UNSC PMs on Agni V may give you answer . We have more friends and less enemies while you have more enemies and less friends .Even your govt is not trying to mess up with us . Japan a small nation was one of the powerful military nation and one of the strongest economy . Can any Chinese answer it?
Coming to your question i can say China is 3rd most powerful country while first and second being US and Russia .

 

[Hafizzz]

Power doesnt solely rely on economy . Response of UNSC PMs on Agni V may give you answer . We have more friends and less enemies while you have more enemies and less friends .Even your govt is not trying to mess up with us . Japan a small nation was one of the powerful military nation and one of the strongest economy . Can any Chinese answer it?
Coming to your question i can say China is 3rd most powerful country while first and second being US and Russia .

The only real enemy for China is THE USA. All the others are just Uncle SAM's lapdog. Once Uncle SAM is gone then the lapdogs won't bark anymore.

 

[Infinity]

The original criteria for being a part of the P5, was to be a major independent power on the winning side of WW2 (the Allies), in 1945.

In 1945 there was no such thing as India, only the British Empire.

If you want to go by the original criteria then you have no chance unless you can go back and change history. As for today, why should India get priority, when ALL of the other G4 nations have stronger economies than India?

And you mean to say that CHINA was a power in 1945 like other permanent member..................
Should i remind you of then China and atrocities done by Japanese..........................Did you bunk your History Classes

 

[northeast]

And you mean to say that CHINA was a power in 1945 like other permanent member..................
Should i remind you of then China and atrocities done by Japanese..........................Did you bunk your History Classes

china was more powerful than france at least.

 

[ashokdeiva]

The UNSC doesn't need more permanent members; it doesn't need any and the veto power should be stripped away.

i think that UNSC should have BRAZIL, SOUTH AFRICA, JAPAN, GERMANY AND INDIA as its constuient members and VETO removed from the UNSC, one can/should not veto any thing the majority brings as a resolution for the betterment of the world.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

And you mean to say that CHINA was a power in 1945 like other permanent member..................
Should i remind you of then China and atrocities done by Japanese..........................Did you bunk your History Classes

China was on the allied side of WW2, and was an independent country in 1945. Those were the requirements.

Simple enough. Yes, we were nowhere close in terms of national strength compared to the great powers in the Allies, and nations aligned with the Axis were barred from entry. But we came in the top 5 on the Allied side, and hence got a seat on the top table of the UNSC.

India back then was simply an extension of the British empire, why did they need a permanent seat when Britain already had one?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Nobody gives a $hit about UK, France and Russia. China has influence in a small number of country. In future, if China grows as it is today, then it could expand its influence. This is the main reason why US feels threatened by China's rise. As of now, P5 or UNSC is used by US to further its political agenda. Where were the remaining members when Iraq and Afghanistan war were started under the so called consensus of UNSC.

You significantly overestimate the power of developing nations. Especially India.

I'm more realistic. The only reason why China has some influence, is due to sheer scale, in terms of economy. We still have a LOT of work to do, and many decades to wait.

You can disregard countries like Britain and France at your own risk. Even if they are declining, they still have significant geopolitical/technological/economic power.

Check the rankings for nominal GDP and military spending, and you will see that they still punch significantly above their weight, even in terms of hard power alone. And most of their power lies in other areas, such as diplomatic influence and technology.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Every day India and, to some extent Brazil,Japan and Germany, are kept off the table only undermines the authority of the UNSC more. How can a nation that represents 1/7th of the world's population, has the largest volunteer military on earth, stands to be in the top 3 economies within the next 2 decades and in the top 2 (if not number 1) by 2050-5 not be represented on this arbitrary body? Added to that how can irrelevant powers like the UK remain when Brazil, Japan and Germany all have larger economies than it? An absolute disgrace and a relic of a long since passed time. No wonder the UN is considered useless and ineffective when it takes them so long to do something as obvious as allow India into the "club".

 

[Aramsogo]

And you mean to say that CHINA was a power in 1945 like other permanent member..................
Should i remind you of then China and atrocities done by Japanese..........................Did you bunk your History Classes

Lol, you forget British atrocities against your people. At least China never surrendered.

 

[Facebooks]

India should only care about 3 Things:

1) Manufacturing Sector Grows in Double Digits with Capital Goods Sector Growing 20%+ for Next 10 Years.

2) Increase Naval Spending as a % of Defence Budget from Current 15% to 40%-50% in Stages over the Next Decade.

3) AAW Destroyers(AEGIS Type), SSNs and Nuclear Powered Cruisers with 500 Km Hypersonic Brahmos should be Inducted in Numbers.

Believe me, UNSC will Itself Become Irrelevant if there arises a Major Naval Power who can threaten the Power of Balance of the P5 and keep the Capability to take on Atleast 2 P5 Members Together.

UNSC would Accommodate India and at Indian Terms!

 

[Raphael]

People who want the veto removed simply don't understand history. The veto is necessary for the UNSC overseers to keep the rabble countries who have wars every 5 years in line. The lack of veto, along with the absence of the US, was the pivotal reason why the League of Nations failed. There's a reason the LoN only lasted for 27 years, whereas the UN is 67 years old and still going strong.

Anyway, India's application is unsuitable because it's politically unstable. In doesn't even administer all its territory, given that there are wide swathes of East India under Naxalite control. I don't think the international community can accept a country that's marred by insurgency.

 

[Facebooks]

People who want the veto removed simply don't understand history. The veto is necessary for the UNSC overseers to keep the rabble countries who have wars every 5 years in line. The lack of veto, along with the absence of the US, was the pivotal reason why the League of Nations failed. There's a reason the LoN only lasted for 27 years, whereas the UN is 67 years old and still going strong.

Anyway, India's application s unsuitable because it's politically unstable. In doesn't even administer all its territory, given that there are wide swathes of East India under Naxalite control. I don't think the international community can accept a country that's marred by insurgency.

What about the Islamic Terrorists in Chechnya, Dagestan, Uyghirs?

 

[Lyrical Mockery]

There should be no permanent members. VETO power must be done away with. All nations of the planet must be equal in the UN.

 

[Raphael]

The difference is they are pacified, and all territory is under the firm administration of the government. Russia and China can maintain peace inside their borders. In contrast, parts of India are in a state of insurgency (Naxalite areas are just one of three, btw).

 

[Alchemy]

Out of the G4 nations, India has by far the smallest economy.

So why would you get priority over the others?

Was it on the basis of economy that China got priority over others back in time???