Baloch terrorist groups involved in killing of Local civilians

[crankthatskunk]

No matter what, we have to remove this medieval thinking in Pakistan. For too long Pakistan has served as a playground for secterian and religious wars. Pakistanis must learn to unite under the banner of Pakistan.

Brother, all good, your thoughts and suggestions.
But there start real problems, hindering the unity.

1- We have people like "Diesel" who after taking money had caused every kind of troubles in Pakistan, including the sectarian propaganda and violence. Funded by some factions of the "Sunnis".

2- We have plenty of Shia religious leaders getting funding from Iran and causing every kind of troubles in Pakistan, including sectarian propaganda and violence. If Pakistan start any actions against Iran, these factions would be first one to create rift and cause violence against, state, people and properties.

3- Then we have "Liberal brigade", too many to name, for example the ANP goons, PMLN goons, PPP goons, MQM goons, Pakistani journalists goons. You can keep naming them no shortage of these monsters. They are enemies of the state, people and properties. Only a week ago Bilawal was openly threatening breakup of Pakistan.
I didn't see politicians, journalists, Generals, government ministers etc. condemning him and charging him for sedation.

How do you want harmony to prevail in the presence of such thugs!!!
We have become pleasing the criminals nation. We are scared, we are concerned, this and that will happen if we act. We tolerate monster like Altaf for decades, because of consequences of tackling him and his co monsters.

A country cannot be run like this.

We have shown the same dithering attitude on 27th Feb. We had the opportunity to show to the India our strength and punish them heavily. We could have easily killed their generals including Bipin. We could have caused massive killing of their troops. Blow up ammunition depot. Downed their 9/10 jets. But we chickened out in the fear of escalation of the war.

What happened now!!
The Indians embolden from our reluctance. Annexed Kashmir by force, increasing their troops strength further in IoK to wage war against Pakistan. War is imminent. What dithering achieved!! Nothing.

If anything, war is a necessity now. And it is going to be wider war, probably including use of battlefield or tactical nuclear weapons.

Why were we not ruthless on 27th!! It would have deterred Indians for years to come.
But we dither and now that advantage is gone forever. Indians would keep intruding our airspace regularly after our dithering.
Bajwa, pull your socks up mate. You are failing Pakistan.

 

[ziaulislam]

Everything aside, I have always kept my distance from this discussion on Forum, however with recent developments, I have to say this that Iran needs to stop allowing it's land being used by Indian Agencies.
On the state level, they may not be involved, but there are entities in their state structure that have given free hand to Hostile entities of operate

iran cant survive without indian oil money..its now a client state to india

 

[Safriz]

Everything aside, I have always kept my distance from this discussion on Forum, however with recent developments, I have to say this that Iran needs to stop allowing it's land being used by Indian Agencies.
On the state level, they may not be involved, but there are entities in their state structure that have given free hand to Hostile entities of operate

Enough with avoiding the obvious.
Iran supports chaos in Balochistan for financial gains.
Balochistan is rich in oil and gas and if peace prevailed in Balochistan, oil and gas reserves will be explored and Pakistan will have the potential of becoming a regional rival of Iran in that trade.

 

[Bratva]

Everything aside, I have always kept my distance from this discussion on Forum, however with recent developments, I have to say this that Iran needs to stop allowing it's land being used by Indian Agencies.
On the state level, they may not be involved, but there are entities in their state structure that have given free hand to Hostile entities of operate

As per iranian perception, we are giving shelter to Jundullah elements. There are tribes, groups and some powerful drug lord who helps Pakistani state in fighting Baloch rebel groups. Only downturn is they provide support to Jundullah too. Have you wonder how Pakistan able to recover Jundullah kidnapped Irani soldeirs from Pakistani side when Iran apply extreme pressure on Pakistan. Because of the Pakistani groups who are under state patronage who pinpoints their location to Intel agencies.

 

[Yankee-stani]

This is why nationalism is important. And I don’t just mean Islamic Nationalism but pure Pakistani nationalism which doesn’t change whether your Sunni or Shia, Pathan or Panjabi, Salafi or secular.

This is what our country needs to progress and become what our founding fathers intended it to be.

Without this balkanisation is our future.

I agree Pakistani Nationalism is vague hence why whenever I am on a fourm or site filled with other South Asians they always poke fun at us and most Pakistanis are soft or half assed at defending their nation you see it in academia as well most Pakistani origin are self hating or liberal leaning

 

[Longhorn]

Iran will keep on sponsoring RAW and Anti Pak militant groups and we will keep on calling them "Brothers"...Guess that trend isn't gonna change anytime soon..
On the other hand, if someone tries to expose Iran's true face, they are bombarded by Pro Iran loyalists and start to play Sectarian card..Guess Iran has been really successful in equating Anti Iranism to anti shiaism..

That's a tactic they've learned from their Israeli Jewish brethren.

 

[gangsta_rap]

This is why nationalism is important. And I don’t just mean Islamic Nationalism but pure Pakistani nationalism which doesn’t change whether your Sunni or Shia, Pathan or Panjabi, Salafi or secular.

This is what our country needs to progress and become what our founding fathers intended it to be.

Without this balkanisation is our future.

change your avatar its a nazi rune

 

[Amaa'n]

As per iranian perception, we are giving shelter to Jundullah elements. There are tribes, groups and some powerful drug lord who helps Pakistani state in fighting Baloch rebel groups. Only downturn is they provide support to Jundullah too. Have you wonder how Pakistan able to recover Jundullah kidnapped Irani soldeirs from Pakistani side when Iran apply extreme pressure on Pakistan. Because of the Pakistani groups who are under state patronage who pinpoints their location to Intel agencies.

not really - it is same as case for Pakistan in Afghanistan (allegedly). Iranians may not be involved at state level or it's institutions however there are elements that exist in state apparatus that are exploited by hostile agencies.
Our research has shown that every hostile element operating in Pakistan has it's roots in Europe. Their leadership has links on both sides of the border on the individual level, which we believe are exploited to advance their organizational goals.
It has less to do with Terrorist groups / Rebels / Insurgents in Iran and more to do with fight for freedom & separation.
One day I hope we will be able to share our work, once things have settled down.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

change your avatar its a nazi rune

It’s not Nazi, it’s Germanic.

It represents life and consequently nature and the world. That is why I have it as my avatar to represent how we humans are a part of God’s ecosystem and we must respect all of His creations.

I don’t know if you agree with that...

 

[gangsta_rap]

It’s not Nazi, it’s Germanic.

It represents life and consequently nature and the world. That is why I have it as my avatar to represent how we humans are a part of God’s ecosystem and we must respect all of His creations.

I don’t know if you agree with that...

the armanen runes/futhark icons are not innocent symbols. There is a great deal of occult significance attached to these and these are symbols from which incredibly malevolent people draw power.

It is not appropriate for a believer in the god of abraham to play around or display these icons. these are terrible symbols that should be destroyed and removed from memory.

 

[925boy]

Iran will keep on sponsoring RAW and Anti Pak militant groups and we will keep on calling them "Brothers"...Guess that trend isn't gonna change anytime soon..
On the other hand, if someone tries to expose Iran's true face, they are bombarded by Pro Iran loyalists and start to play Sectarian card..Guess Iran has been really successful in equating Anti Iranism to anti shiaism..

Tbh, this is my statement after trying to be understanding of your position: Publicly, Iran and Pakistan keep a decent face, but in private, they are AT LEAST in strategic competition. I have learned on pDF that there is probably more RAW/Indian activities in Afghanistan and Iran against Pakistan,and Pakistan has also allowed GCC directed and requested proxy attacks against Iran to be successful. So they are both in competition, so its time for Pakistand to suit up and play the game. You Pakistanis on PDF can play victim against Iran all day but that doesnt even make any sense,especially when you consider Pakistan is the sole nuclear Muslim power. Your nukes cant give you effective deterrence, yet you wont give into Iran's agenda, but you also dont seem strong enough to take on Iran's agenda effectively (not surprised). If you want Iran to be a better friend, do 2 things : 1) have more independent policy towards Iran and exclude more GCC + US pressure in doing so and 2) Secure the border with Iran and eradicate the terrorist groups and attacks emanating from the Pakistani side of the border. If you do these 2 things, Iran will shut down all RAW cells. Dont go Islamic on me because Pakistanis and Iranians are all Muslim, so thats a misnomer. Yes now its life ideologies. You guys love to hate Iran's ideologies but the 1 thing you cant say is that it isnt effective. Pakistan has a large population thats too tempting for an Iran to meddle in . Dont ask for your reality to not be your reality- be smarter about handling your current reality. If you cant afford to fight then negotiate, and if you can fight, show you're prepared.