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But hey, at least they'll be free for evil punjabis when they acquire that barren hellhole to themselves. they'll be another afghanistan, one with access to water but an afghanistan nonetheless.

What has Pakistan been able to do with Gwadar except make faujeet promos?

But Baloch in Balochistan due face some oppression due to corruption of Pakistani politicians and generals. Foreign agencies and terrorists exploit this and turn the locals against us.
Pakistan is to blame also because our weakness have created instability in Balochistan.

Yeah whatever treatment Imran Khan is getting, Maulana Hidayat-ur-Rahman has been getting for a long time.

Its been 16 years since Musharraf announced the plans in Gwadar, but nothing has materialized.
 
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Grievances my arse. Theyve been given billions upon billions of dollars far more than their fair share population wise. Countless opportunities and scholarships are provided to Baloch + Afghan refugees.

Don’t mix baloch and Afghan refugees. Billons are not spent on the people, rather they are given to baloch sardars for their loyalty to establishment. If Pakistani haramkhor generals were loyal they would have spent the money directly on the people, would have established a proper running government. These haramkhors didn’t allow Pakistan to fully implement democratic reforms and you think they did that in Balochistan?
Whereby Punjabis and many other groups work extremely hard and have set up 99% industry for the country yet their limited funds are spent on Baloch + Their afghan refugee bretheren.

Sui didn’t get gas yet that’s where the rest of Pakistan was getting gas from.
Rest, that’s how the country works. Majority lifts the minority. We have corruption issue that mismanaged our funds.
You will never see such stupidity in any other country. Iran knows how to deal with them China knows how to deal with them hell even Taliban know how to deal with their aukat.

Its just peaceful docile Punjaban that wanna hear balochi and afghan grievances while having a revolver pointed to their head.
You need help! Get is asap before you loose the remaining marbles in your head.

There is no punjaban, Sindhi , pushtoon or Balochi. We are all Pakistani who have been effed by the establishment. What these haramkhors are doing to PTI should by eye opener to all Pakistanis. Yes, there are bad elements who are hell bent on killing but majority want their fair rights. You never kill your own people.
 
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Iranians would be the first ones to annex Pakistani Balochistan if it breaks away from Pakistan. Then these people can learn what real oppression is.


More Baloch live outside of Balochistan than Baloch living in Balochistan, in Pakistan.
If Balochistan breaks away from Pakistan all those Baloch from Panjab, Sindh and KPK will be sent to their Balochistan country. Then they’ll learn why staying part of Pakistan was essential for them.

But Baloch in Balochistan due face some oppression due to corruption of Pakistani politicians and generals. Foreign agencies and terrorists exploit this and turn the locals against us.
Pakistan is to blame also because our weakness have created instability in Balochistan.
More pakhtuns live in Karachi than anyother city, Islamabad, pindi also significant minority many Punjabis live in Sindh and KPK, used to in Balochistan till they removed our people through an organized ethnic cleansing afterwards I feel no semblance of love in my heart atleast...

So that's all of Pakistan not just Baloch, issue is that we genuinely f-ed up as a country

In bringing democracy, leashing in our establishment from the get go, because of which we are seeing opposition and threats to our sovereignty

We didn't take care of this problem - to the point that even a people as patriotic as tribals have become anti-Pak or atleast a section of tribal society has, on fringe SM I am seeing urban Pakistanis becoming disillusioned

Issue is yes Baloch from the get go didn't vibe with the country but overtime our f-ups as a state alienated em even more, if we take care of it than what's the issue

They follow Sunni Islam like most pakistanis, watch our dramas in Iranian Balochistan, wear shalwaar kameez, more Baloch live in Sindh and Punjab than Balochistan an ethnic Balochi speaking Baloch was our previous CM Punjab, so at some level yes they're connected to our society but if our state keeps messing up with democracy, basic rule of law
Forget Baloch, forget patriotic tribals, even our Urban middle classes on SM atleast are showing signs of fatigue
 
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Don’t mix baloch and Afghan refugees. Billons are not spent on the people, rather they are given to baloch sardars for their loyalty to establishment. If Pakistani haramkhor generals were loyal they would have spent the money directly on the people, would have established a proper running government. These haramkhors didn’t allow Pakistan to fully implement democratic reforms and you think they did that in Balochistan?


Sui didn’t get gas yet that’s where the rest of Pakistan was getting gas from.
Rest, that’s how the country works. Majority lifts the minority. We have corruption issue that mismanaged our funds.

You need help! Get is asap before you loose the remaining marbles in your head.

There is no punjaban, Sindhi , pushtoon or Balochi. We are all Pakistani who have been effed by the establishment. What these haramkhors are doing to PTI should by eye opener to all Pakistanis. Yes, there are bad elements who are hell bent on killing but majority want their fair rights. You never kill your own people.

How can you not mix baloch population and the afghan refugee population in balochistan when the issue is literally interwined with the cross border terrorism whose main source is Afghanistan and Iran.

Pashtun population is equal if not a bit more than the baloch population in balochistan and the majority cause of that is due to afghan refugees who settled since the last 40 damn years. Go to Quetta go to Gwadar every corner of balochistan and you will see significant afghan refugee most of which who are Pashtun but many of which are Baloch from afghanistan.

Infact you only talk about 1 cause which most liberals use and that is the Sardar chieftain issue in Balochistan but again feudalism is rampant in all provinces in Pakistan yet every province is far ahead of balochistan even with far less resources.

If one looks at the example of Oman, UAE, Dubai, Qatar, and KSA they have a tribal system that is very similar to Balochistans yet are far far ahead. Same thing in Iran where feudalism of baloch exists yet you never see the violence and terrorism perpetuated there compared to Pakistan. So again you reasoning is very narrow and doesnt make sense in the context of security, crime, or terrorism.

The issue that libtards and sell outs like you miss is that open borders and cross border terrorism enmating from both Afghanistan and Iran. Both nation are actively courting, funding, training, supplying and coordinating Balochi terror outfits against the State of Pakistan. Balochi terrorist mostly subscribe to leftist/communist marxist terrorist yet they are housed and intermarried with TTP and Taliban in afghanistan. You have die hard Shiite nazis, Baloch Marxist terrorist, TTP, and Afghan taliban coordinating attacks against Pakistan regardless of their political/ideological differences.

This again hits on my first point that it doesnt matter that these groups are Balochi or Pashtun. Leftist or Right wing Islamist. What unites them is their similar East Iranic Ethnic Group as well as their hatred for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.
 
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Why does army support sardars there?



Iran doesn't have sardar system



To curtail smuggling.

The truth is that is only between lords( Sardars) and agencies in Baluchistan, lords want to get complete control on the resources and area in which they are living, agencies want that the federal government should have the control. It’s a complete mess down their. Don’t even get me started on our pak Army’s stupid musical chairs it’s playing on the titanic.
 
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How can you not mix baloch population and the afghan refugee population in balochistan when the issue is literally interwined with the cross border terrorism whose main source is Afghanistan and Iran.

Who is controlling the border?
Pashtun population is equal if not a bit more than the baloch population in balochistan and the majority cause of that is due to afghan refugees who settled since the last 40 damn years. Go to Quetta go to Gwadar every corner of balochistan and you will see significant afghan refugee most of which who are Pashtun but many of which are Baloch from afghanistan.

Again, who is controlling the border?
Infact you only talk about 1 cause which most liberals use and that is the Sardar chieftain issue in Balochistan but again feudalism is rampant in all provinces in Pakistan yet every province is far ahead of balochistan even with far less resources.

If one looks at the example of Oman, UAE, Dubai, Qatar, and KSA they have a tribal system that is very similar to Balochistans yet are far far ahead. Same thing in Iran where feudalism of baloch exists yet you never see the violence and terrorism perpetuated there compared to Pakistan. So again you reasoning is very narrow and doesnt make sense in the context of security, crime, or terrorism.

Great examples given but here is the issue— Punjab was always more developed and has a lot more population. It’s hard to continue feudalism in major urban areas. Interior Sind has the same issue. Kept backwards by Zardari type haramkhors.

Example of Iran and GCC? Their government is loyal to the people and has invested $$$$ . You open a school , provide healthcare , proper infrastructure and you allow a generation to grow in peace. That generation will do wonders when they grow up.

the situation in Pakistan right now is a perfect example of how people turn against the army. every law is being broken and people are being picked up on fake FIR’s and you have the entire population against army within one year. Now this has been happening in Balochistan for how long? There are let say for sake of argument 50% insurgents but if you treat the entire population like criminals you are not going to create any change .
The issue that libtards and sell outs like you miss is that open borders and cross border terrorism enmating from both Afghanistan and Iran. Both nation are actively courting, funding, training, supplying and coordinating Balochi terror outfits against the State of Pakistan. Balochi terrorist mostly subscribe to leftist/communist marxist terrorist yet they are housed and intermarried with TTP and Taliban in afghanistan. You have die hard Shiite nazis, Baloch Marxist terrorist, TTP, and Afghan taliban coordinating attacks against Pakistan regardless of their political/ideological differences.

This again hits on my first point that it doesnt matter that these groups are Balochi or Pashtun. Leftist or Right wing Islamist. What unites them is their similar East Iranic Ethnic Group as well as their hatred for the Islamic Republic of Pakistan.

Libtards- favourite word of Pakistan establishment when they can’t provide a proper answer.

Who created MQM? Establishment, they allowed them to terrorize people of Karachi. Was that not terror against the state? Who created multiple harami mulvi to be used against the state? Establishment

You keep saying cross border, cross border. Who is guarding the border? They even fenced it … establishment

You keep locking up people in Punjab and Pakistan generals will turn whole Punjab against army. There is a way to deal with people. Truth is finally coming out and it’s ugly. You never win a war by only killing. You have to create an environment and provide opportunities to people. What happened in Wazristan when it was freed from terrorist? KP government was given responsibility of FATA and they provided security to the people and provided opportunities which led to their association with rest of the province.

To clear out feudalism , you need proper running government which the entire country doesn’t have let alone Balochistan.

Corruption is the biggest issue facing the country and when generals are openly giving power to corrupt individuals , then one shouldn’t talk about feudalism.

Every problem you listed has a solution but Pakistani generals don’t want that. Fair and free elections and the government of Balochistan being run by competent individuals instead of generals. You have to show the people change is real and they will become part of it themselves.

Islamic Republic of Pakistan doesn’t exist. It’s Army Pakistan, Mulvi Pakistan , corrupt Pakistan, Vulgar Pakistan or elite Pakistan.

When your army chief is committing treason and involved in Massive corruption
What do you expect from people of Balochistan who have been denied their rights.

I repeat again, to change someone’s perspective you have to bring change to their door. Build infrastructure, provide services and security and change will follow. Once a state is able to provide all these basic needs, only then can you apply carrot or stick approach.
 
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Iran hangs or kills more Baloch for various reasons than Pakistan kills terrorists of BLA/BLF/BRA/BRG etc etc

I don't get logic of these BLA/BLF clowns. First their marxist ideology which is totally nonsensical to me. And then the ground realities of this region that make this muft Balochistan dream even more stupid than it is already
As Jaish ul Adl calls them, BLA/BLF are IRGC stooges.

Iran doesn't have sardar system
Yeah cuz they massacred all the sardars to make sure no organized resistance can take place.
To curtail smuggling.
Not smuggling. Iranians allow smuggling. They hang Baloch who don’t support Iranian regime.
 
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What has Pakistan been able to do with Gwadar except make faujeet promos?



Yeah whatever treatment Imran Khan is getting, Maulana Hidayat-ur-Rahman has been getting for a long time.

Its been 16 years since Musharraf announced the plans in Gwadar, but nothing has materialized.
I’m well aware of state extortion, corruption and incompetence. In Interior Sindh where I’m from it produce’s probably the most gas in all of Sindh. It’s know for its gas reserves. Yet many villages where the gas is extracted from does not have gas. Our areas they take has from are neglected and we still have areas with no gas at all and all areas have like 12-16 hrs loadshedding daily.
I can only imagine the situation in Balochistan if a big area in interior sindh is treated that way.
However, BLA/BLF secularist commies are no better. They are paid stooges. They don’t care about the average Baloch.
I have a lot of respect for Maulana Hidayat Ur Rahman. His demands are legitimate and for the benefit of all of Pakistan. Our marine ecosystem, coasts, and waters are valuable to the whole country. Maulana faces so much injustice yet doesn’t speak against the unity jf the state and hasn’t turned to violence. Instead these etho nats are in government and live on establishment money yet talk daily about wanting to break Pakistan.
It just shows that the patriotic ones are always punished while the snakes are given position and money.
No wonder why Pakistan has more enemies than allies.
 
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More pakhtuns live in Karachi than anyother city, Islamabad, pindi also significant minority many Punjabis live in Sindh and KPK, used to in Balochistan till they removed our people through an organized ethnic cleansing afterwards I feel no semblance of love in my heart atleast...

So that's all of Pakistan not just Baloch, issue is that we genuinely f-ed up as a country

In bringing democracy, leashing in our establishment from the get go, because of which we are seeing opposition and threats to our sovereignty

We didn't take care of this problem - to the point that even a people as patriotic as tribals have become anti-Pak or atleast a section of tribal society has, on fringe SM I am seeing urban Pakistanis becoming disillusioned

Issue is yes Baloch from the get go didn't vibe with the country but overtime our f-ups as a state alienated em even more, if we take care of it than what's the issue

They follow Sunni Islam like most pakistanis, watch our dramas in Iranian Balochistan, wear shalwaar kameez, more Baloch live in Sindh and Punjab than Balochistan an ethnic Balochi speaking Baloch was our previous CM Punjab, so at some level yes they're connected to our society but if our state keeps messing up with democracy, basic rule of law
Forget Baloch, forget patriotic tribals, even our Urban middle classes on SM atleast are showing signs of fatigue
I agree. Pakistani establishment is good at making enemies from allies.
The amount of soft power we had and still have in Iranian Balochistan is insane, yet our lumber 1s still manage to ruin everything and instead allow Iranians to use that against us.
Punjabis live in Sindh and KPK, used to in Balochistan till they removed our people through an organized ethnic cleansing afterwards I feel no semblance of love in my heart atleast...
Too many Panjabis are becoming too secular and liberal and losing their fighting ability. That’s why I emphasize on a strong connection to religion for Panjabis. That’s because it will motivate us to fight back for our rights and keep our fighting ability. Us Panjabis have lots of enemies. We can’t afford to become liberal in our approach and show cowardice or we’ll be ethnically cleansed like Panjabis were from Balochistan. Every Panjabi should own weapons and not shy away from Jihad or becoming Shaheed when the time comes. We will only survive if we fight back against those who want to ethnically cleanse us.
In Sindh we’re in the millions easily. But unfortunately I see many becoming liberals and cowards. Alhamdulillah the Panjabis from my area in Sindh are still religious and willing to fight for their rights and defend them selves.
We need to strengthen our biraderis and stay close to them. We need to be modern and progressive but still keep the tribal aspect in the form of biraderis to make sure we can mobilize and counter any threat anytime.
 
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I’m well aware of state extortion, corruption and incompetence. In Interior Sindh where I’m from it produce’s probably the most gas in all of Sindh. It’s know for its gas reserves. Yet many villages where the gas is extracted from does not have gas. Our areas they take has from are neglected and we still have areas with no gas at all and all areas have like 12-16 hrs loadshedding daily.
I can only imagine the situation in Balochistan if a big area in interior sindh is treated that way.
However, BLA/BLF secularist commies are no better. They are paid stooges. They don’t care about the average Baloch.
I have a lot of respect for Maulana Hidayat Ur Rahman. His demands are legitimate and for the benefit of all of Pakistan. Our marine ecosystem, coasts, and waters are valuable to the whole country. Maulana faces so much injustice yet doesn’t speak against the unity jf the state and hasn’t turned to violence. Instead these etho nats are in government and live on establishment money yet talk daily about wanting to break Pakistan.
It just shows that the patriotic ones are always punished while the snakes are given position and money.
No wonder why Pakistan has more enemies than allies.
Maulana Hidayat Ur Rahman is a hero
I agree. Pakistani establishment is good at making enemies from allies.
The amount of soft power we had and still have in Iranian Balochistan is insane, yet our lumber 1s still manage to ruin everything and instead allow Iranians to use that against us.

Too many Panjabis are becoming too secular and liberal and losing their fighting ability. That’s why I emphasize on a strong connection to religion for Panjabis. That’s because it will motivate us to fight back for our rights and keep our fighting ability. Us Panjabis have lots of enemies. We can’t afford to become liberal in our approach and show cowardice or we’ll be ethnically cleansed like Panjabis were from Balochistan. Every Panjabi should own weapons and not shy away from Jihad or becoming Shaheed when the time comes. We will only survive if we fight back against those who want to ethnically cleanse us.
In Sindh we’re in the millions easily. But unfortunately I see many becoming liberals and cowards. Alhamdulillah the Panjabis from my area in Sindh are still religious and willing to fight for their rights and defend them selves.
We need to strengthen our biraderis and stay close to them. We need to be modern and progressive but still keep the tribal aspect in the form of biraderis to make sure we can mobilize and counter any threat anytime.
You're right Urban Punjab of central Punjab is secularizing WAY too fast to the point I feel it'll be bad for our society down the line, we may alignate Pakistanis from other regions due to our society not matching with thiers

Our trends in Urban middle class can potentially isolate us, but than pre Zia generation was also very liberal, it didn't change much so maybe thinking too much

rn we middle class up are not that relgious as people were back in the day, I'd admit

As for Sindh y'all are mostly arain and not too stereotype arians are hardcore with their relgion add that historical connections with relgious peers of Sindh, Balochistan we were alone, educated, urban middle class with everyone hating us from Pashtuns of Balochistan to Baloch so when things went south, you couldn't ally with anyone

Although I noticed how other ethnicities in Pak always beat up the other side for crossing the redline like recently Sindhi-pashtun due to Afghans, Baloch- Pashtun fights
During Musharrafs time I genuinely feel some sorta retaliation against Balochs in Punjab was the need of the hour to send a message but we weren't organized

Yes we're losing our tribal touch and becoming urbanized but when we were tribal, my grandpa had a story of how in the partition time biradaris would compete for how many non muslims they killed during that week, that tribal system gave us organization and structure, command etc

But than also we used to fight a lot amongst ourselves now we don't
So I don't know, maybe it's for the best that we're losing our tribal touch
 
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What has Pakistan been able to do with Gwadar except make faujeet promos?
And what exactly are Balochs doing about it or planning to do about it when the dog finally chases and catches the proverbial car? Are they going to summon the Gods and drop a fully functioning port in Gwadar? They'll be stuck between Iran and Sindh, both of whom have busy ports and huge hinterlands those ports serve. What now, Balochs are going to built a gwadar port for trading with afghans? Maybe China can include Afghan taliban and BLA in CPEC and bypass KP and GB, that would work. :lol:

Also, won't a port still harm muh poor fisherman? or Will BLA be able to negotiate a better deal with the Chinese than Pakistan was?

Its been 16 years since Musharraf announced the plans in Gwadar, but nothing has materialized.
It would have if muh poor fisherman had some foresight and not bollixed it all up

I know you support them for the whole ghairatmand quom thing, bro but that doesn't make it make sense economically, diplomatically, or logically. Best call is to stand up to your sardars who can imprison, rape and murder entire families in the 21st fking century and get away it. (don't give me the army excuse. army didn't create their fking culture, it just exploited it. and army is also supporting PDM, does that mean we acquiesce? )

@Areesh , I am struggling here. Bro is a sensible dude but this ethnic chooran gets the best of him.
 
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@Areesh , I am struggling here. Bro is a sensible dude but this ethnic chooran gets the best of him.

Ethnic chooran gets the best of most of us. It is a disease

Also would a Baloch living in Karachi (there are thousands and thousands of them) go and settle in the newly formed muft Balochistan? I highly doubt that someone would want to leave Karachi or Punjab and go settle in the newly formed barren republic
 
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Ethnic chooran gets the best of most of us. It is a disease

Also would a Baloch living in Karachi (there are thousands and thousands of them) go and settle in the newly formed muft Balochistan? I highly doubt that someone would want to leave Karachi or Punjab and go settle in the newly formed barren republic
Yup. Not to mention, they'll still be ruled by the same corrupt, oppressive bastard sardars. It's not like the sardars will pack their bags and come to their evil punjab homeland. :lol:
They will still in their homeland, among their slaves, who made them what they are. And they will continue to exploit Balochs until the Baloch people realize the true enemy was the enemy within.

@Mirzali Khan , bro, you are sadly mistaken if you think, in the baloch republic, every baloch household will get a lifetime free Sui gas connection and a bucket of Gold from Reko Diq, that we punjabis are currently getting. :lol:
 
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