Ballistic missile submarine don't need to be nuclear powered. PNS could build one

[Ultima Thule]

Why I also believe if we field a ssbn it would be diesel electric much easier to make we have 1000s of km of sea area such sub can hide easily for.months no need to deploy em for years like nuclear
We can build several conventional one at price of single nuclear ssbn they wouldn't need to go into enemy territory we just need a longer range missile like marine version of shheen 3 3000km or even ababeel mirved of 2200 km
So would not need as sophisticated stealth as ssk and conventional r already more stealthy then nuclear anyway

Not possible if you will make SSK into SSB or something you increase it size to fit few BM in it lets say 4, lets say one BM weight 20 ton
then think what would be the 4 BM weights and sub diesel engine is/will under a immense pressure (CONTINUOUSLY) so your idea f SSK with BM is ridiculous @khanmubashir

 

[khanmubashir]

Operating something and being able to stop it are two entirely different things. Ask the Royal Navy what happened during the Falklands and when they achieved the ability to stop such missiles.

Your ships need a working air defence system first.



You will be lucky to detect anything that's even 300m below the waterline in the Arabian Sea, let alone something that has a normal diving depth of more than 400m.

I want to take you seriously, but it doesn't look like you are aware of naval systems in general.



We don't go to war based on bravado. We make calculated decisions.



Let's see how long your PA takes to admit the truth about the surgical strikes first.

FYI kind information Pak ships have air defenses and r being improved upon it would be very stuois if u to rhink that ships r fielded without
FYI we tracked a sunken midget sub which was not generating any actcie sound back in 80s far deeper then your 400 m so tracking an active moving sub and genersome level of noise at much less Dept of 409 km today's would be comparatively easy
Any way detecting a sub is difficult for any navy weather your or ours and it is always dependent on large number of curcucircumstantial conditions not just available tech

Not possible if you will make SSK into SSB or something you increase it size to fit few BM in it lets say 4, lets say one BM weight 20 ton
then think what would be the 4 BM weights and sub diesel engine is/will under a immense pressure (CONTINUOUSLY) so your idea f SSK with BM is ridiculous @khanmubashir

Bm are launch via pressure ejection like torpedo r it's called cold launch rockets kick in after leaving the hul
Nk alredal made a conventional ssbn
I m not taking about modifying existing ssk but making new ssbn conventional only difference would be power source Ehich isn't directly related to the missiles but deployment time

 

[Ultima Thule]

Bm are launch via pressure ejection like torpedo r it's called cold launch rockets kick in after leaving the hul
Nk alredal made a conventional ssbn
I m not taking about modifying existing ssk but making new ssbn conventional only difference would be power source Ehich isn't directly related to the missiles but deployment time

Launch horizontally like torpedo @khanmubashir then you're out of your mind, main problem it diesel engines are/will in continuous extreme pressure don't any where too long and btw all SSBN especially russian SSBN uses this tech, For test platform its ok but for production is useless whether it new construction or upgrade to existing one @khanmubashir its a useless idea @khanmubashir

 

[randomradio]

FYI kind information Pak ships have air defenses and r being improved upon it would be very stuois if u to rhink that ships r fielded without
FYI we tracked a sunken midget sub which was not generating any actcie sound back in 80s far deeper then your 400 m so tracking an active moving sub and genersome level of noise at much less Dept of 409 km today's would be comparatively easy
Any way detecting a sub is difficult for any navy weather your or ours and it is always dependent on large number of curcucircumstantial conditions not just available tech

You don't even make your own sonars.

 

[khanmubashir]

You don't even make your own sonars.

So we buy em both from West and China and also modified several of em even your most reliable ones r imported ones

Launch horizontally like torpedo @khanmubashir then you're out of your mind, main problem it diesel engines are/will in continuous extreme pressure don't any where too long and btw all SSBN especially russian SSBN uses this tech, For test platform its ok but for production is useless whether it new construction or upgrade to existing one @khanmubashir its a useless idea @khanmubashir

No they r launched from vertical tubes but via pressurized water rocket start after leaving the hull Google cold launch of slbm this happens in all ssbn
Any sub would rupture if rockets start inside hull
Only difference between conventional and nuclear would be power source and size and which itself would be bigger for nuclear becubec of all that extra protecting from reactors pressuized fluids and radiation
This making conventional more economical nk already lauched bm of several 100 km range from conventional homemade ssbn we can do much better job then them

 

[Ultima Thule]

No they r launched from vertical tubes but via pressurized water rocket start after leaving the hull Google cold launch of slbm this happens in all ssbn
Any sub would rupture if rockets start inside hull
Only difference between conventional and nuclear would be power source and size and which itself would be bigger for nuclear becubec of all that extra protecting from reactors pressuized fluids and radiation
This making conventional more economical nk already lauched bm of several 100 km range from conventional homemade ssbn we can do much better job then them

But tell me bro how conventional SSBN diesel engine of those sub can sustain of weight of those 20 ton BM lets say 4 the diesel engine is to sustain continuous pressure/stress from the weight of those BM, and range of those subs are/will be very limited @khanmubashir think logically NOT POSSIBLE @khanmubashir

 

[randomradio]

So we buy em both from West and China and also modified several of em even your most reliable ones r imported ones

What you get is stuff that is either so old or so hopelessly downgraded that it's best not to mention it.

India, we make our own sonars. Only Scorpene comes with a French sonar, because it was a package. Our Kilos have an Indian sonar.

 

[Bilal Khan 777]

You don't even make your own sonars.

Pakistan already makes towed array, hull mounted, and active towed array sonars. Most European systems are refurbished in-house. We just don't advertise it.

What you get is stuff that is either so old or so hopelessly downgraded that it's best not to mention it.

India, we make our own sonars. Only Scorpene comes with a French sonar, because it was a package. Our Kilos have an Indian sonar.

You take TUSM Sonars because rest of your kit does not work. Kilos have Indian sonar, which is just US ceramic and British amplifiers, and indian assembly, because Indian sonar is less pathetic than russian sonar.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

If we had a submarine project then it would be in news papers by now , development pictures and disclosures and ceremonies

Since we got the Submarines from China there must have been less incentive to throw cash into a Submarine project. Due to high cost of Submarines I do understand this aspect better.

8 > 1

Some what like the Cobra helicopter we saw no reason to develop our own helicopter program for 40 years

 

[khanmubashir]

What you get is stuff that is either so old or so hopelessly downgraded that it's best not to mention it.

India, we make our own sonars. Only Scorpene comes with a French sonar, because it was a package. Our Kilos have an Indian sonar.

Like they gave u certificate of degrading


We buy according to the specs we need using multiple sources
and considering how many times indian home made failed indian military expectations Tejas Arjun insas perhaps home made sonar on kilo isn't that good for in as u believe

 

[Ultima Thule]

Like they gave u certificate of degrading


We buy according to the specs we need using multiple sources
and considering how many times indian home made failed indian military expectations Tejas Arjun insas perhaps home made sonar on kilo isn't that good for in as u believe

No need to engage with him bro @khanmubashir @randomradio is a troll without base @khanmubashir

 

[khanmubashir]

But tell me bro how conventional SSBN diesel engine of those sub can sustain of weight of those 20 ton BM lets say 4 the diesel engine is to sustain continuous pressure/stress from the weight of those BM, and range of those subs are/will be very limited @khanmubashir think logically NOT POSSIBLE @khanmubashir

A conventional sub weight is in several 100 to few 1000 tons so four bm there additional carriage weight won't amount more then few 100 tons in limit of sub
Only issue is range and deployment time but u don't make ssbn to go into enemy waters it's to launch bm from a safe distance what's more safe then our own warers where our air Force and navy would be providing cover nuclear has deployment time of years conventional of months even that's good enough we can make several if em at cost of single ssbn so few conventional would always be deployed on duty for dew months then replaced by other instead of single nuclear deployed for much longer time period
And what pressure issue already told u that's rockets never fired inside hull even in nuclear ssbn

 

[My-Analogous]

Save it for your own people first, then worry about others.

Save your mother and sisters first from rape and then worry about others. Why Indian are always BIG MOUTH

 

[khanmubashir]

A conventional sub weight is in several 100 to few 1000 tons so four bm there additional carriage weight won't amount more then few 100 tons in limit of sub
Only issue is range and deployment time but u don't make ssbn to go into enemy waters it's to launch bm from a safe distance what's more safe then our own warers where our air Force and navy would be providing cover nuclear has deployment time of years conventional of months even that's good enough we can make several if em at cost of single ssbn so few conventional would always be deployed on duty for dew months then replaced by other instead of single nuclear deployed for much longer time period

And what pressure issue already told u that's rockets never fired inside hull even in nuclear ssbn

 

[Ultima Thule]

Pakistan already makes towed array, hull mounted, and active towed array sonars. Most European systems are refurbished in-house. We just don't advertise it.



You take TUSM Sonars because rest of your kit does not work. Kilos have Indian sonar, which is just US ceramic and British amplifiers, and indian assembly, because Indian sonar is less pathetic than russian sonar.

no need to engage a troll @Blilal Khan 777 sir