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EDITORIAL (June 13 2009): At long last the United States seems to have succeeded in convincing New Delhi that the latter's unrelenting hostility towards Pakistan tends to negatively impact Islamabad's war on terror.

Consequently, of late there has been a flicker of signals from across the border that the Manmohan Singh government would like to resume the composite dialogue but subject to certain conditions, the foremost being Islamabad's promise to dismantle the alleged architecture that breeds international terrorism.

Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has famously said that India would go more than half the way to restart the dialogue, a move that has been welcomed by his Pakistani counterpart, Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani.

If New Delhi needs any proof of Pakistan's anti-terrorism commitment it is there, the Americans must have told New Delhi pointing in the direction of Malakand division. But the Americans have also conveyed Pakistan's lingering concerns about India's subversive role in bankrolling insurgency in Pakistan's border regions through its consulates in Jalalabad and Kandahar.

Unnamed sources have been quoted by the Indian media as saying that William Burns, the US Under-secretary of State for Political Affairs who was in New Delhi early this week, had delivered a letter from President Obama to Prime Minister Singh, and asked India to "close or prune" its consulate in Jalalabad following Pakistan's allegation that it was "creating trouble" in NWFP and Balochistan.

But what Burns said on record was no less candid: "It remains our view that a resolution of that (Kashmir) issue has to take into account wishes of the Kashmiri people", he told a news conference in New Delhi. That is looking at the picture in its totality that was so far overlooked by Washington and rejected by New Delhi.

So far the United States had had disregarded Pakistan's standpoint that it couldn't commit itself to fighting militancy in the north-west as long as India kept raising the ante of its hostility on the eastern border. India has moved more than half of its strike cores on the border as show of force following the Mumbai carnage last year. That mindset appears to be changing, as the Obama administration seems to have concluded that India is as much part of the problem as its claim to be its solution, if not more.

May be the US administration analysed that Mumbai incident was basically a response to India's repressive rule in the Occupied Kashmir. And the United States must have also come across the evidence - on its own - confirming that India, in cahoots with the Afghan government, is deeply involved in sustaining militancy in Pakistan's north-western regions and Balochistan.

The Indian establishment was quite satisfied with the quality of co-operation Pakistani authorities had provided in investigating the Mumbai incident but it couldn't say 'thank-you' because of the impending parliamentary elections. Now that Congress Party is back in the saddle its leadership should show courage to resume the composite dialogue which as a forum has the requisite potential and diplomatic credibility to deliver.

Considering the progress was made in terms of fixing up quite a few confidence-building measures (CBMs) - although most of Pakistanis think ex-president General Pervez Musharraf had given more than taken from New Delhi - its resumption would help strengthen anti-terrorism co-operation. The sad truth is that India has never been able to secure trust and confidence its neighbours, a reality which tends to promote, albeit vicariously, terrorism by the separatist forces.

The ball is squarely in India's court and the onus to improve climate of mutual trust and co-operation lies with New Delhi. US Secretary of State Clinton's visit to this region next month and expected "chance" Zaradri-Singh conclave in the sidelines of the upcoming Shanghai Co-operation Organisation summit in Russia, we believe, can greatly help in that respect.
 
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Thats convincing power of General Kiyani. He should stay longer. General knows very well how to handle white boys. Imagine in all stand off not even single time General or ISI chief talk to any Indian. Both kept Indians on distance. Only talk through US official. That's really pissed India. It shows the extreme professionalism in the field of both politics and defence. Very impressive.
 
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May be the US administration analysed that Mumbai incident was basically a response to India's repressive rule in the Occupied Kashmir. And the United States must have also come across the evidence - on its own - confirming that India, in cahoots with the Afghan government, is deeply involved in sustaining militancy in Pakistan's north-western regions and Balochistan.

Now that is some serious bullsh!t. A pathetic attempt by the author to somehow blame everything on India, the Kashmir, , the Afghan consulates, the Taliban & the Baloch insurgents. And that has been the official Pakistani policy for quiet some time, isn't it? Somehow project that whatever happens in Pakistan, or even India for that matter, is a result of 'Indian oppressions' in Kashmir.

Whether India likes it or not, Pakistan has always been able to gain some international mileage on Kashmir, partly may be because Indian strategies were & continue to be inherently flawed. Not the 'occupation', but horrendous strategies to tackle sensitive issues in Kashmir which have lead to today's situation. And no doubt that Pakistan always looks to play everything in its favorite court, the Kashmir.

Everything apart, the above excerpt absolutely ruins an article, which otherwise could have made a good read & offered some serious food for thoughts for Indian policy makers. An excellent example of living in denial & playing double games by not assuring to curb cross border infiltration & disappointing India once again, when Indian PM has assured to go more than half way if Pakistan co-operates.
 
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The US advice on Kashmir is lunacy - The Siege Within - MJ Akbar - Columnists - Opinion - The Times of India


MJ Akbar
The US advice on Kashmir is lunacy
14 Jun 2009, 0038 hrs IST, M J Akbar
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If you want to sell arsenic, the kindest way to do so is to disguise it as medicine heavily coated with sugar. There is nothing particularly new

about the proposal of an interim balm for the wounds of Kashmir, demilitarization on both sides of the Line of Control. What is novel is the heavy Washington endorsement of this Pakistan-promoted option.

This is not all. Unusually for a senior diplomat of a super power that affects neutrality, US under secretary of state for political affairs, William Burns, chose Delhi as the venue for a message designed to disturb the equanimity of his hosts, when he said, "Any resolution of Kashmir has to take into account the wishes of the Kashmiri people". That must have been music to Islamabad's ears.

Demilitarization sounds so sweetly reasonable, a definitive gesture of de-escalation. The Obama administration is delighted by the prospect of collateral benefit. This would release more Pak troops for the war against Taliban. Pakistan has shifted some brigades from the Indian border, but not from the Line of Control.

Self-interest may have blinded Washington to an obvious fallacy in this "reasonable" formulation. In all three major Kashmir conflicts — 1947, 1965 and Kargil — Pakistan has used a two-tier strategy. A surrogate force has served as a first line of offense. The Pakistani term for them has been consistent; they have come in the guise of "freedom fighters". India called them "raiders" in 1947 and 1965, and defines them as terrorists now. This surrogate force has expanded its operations far beyond Kashmir, as the terrorist attacks on Mumbai confirmed.

DMZs (De-Militarized Zones) would guarantee the security of Pakistan and weaken India's defences, since there is no suggestion that terrorist militias are going to be "demilitarized". Should the Indian army leave the Kashmir valley to the mercy of well-organized, finely-trained, generously-financed indiscriminate organisations? India has no corresponding surrogate force, because it is a status-quo power; it makes no claims on any neighbour's territory.

If America wants a DMZ (De-Militarized Zone) in India they will first have to ensure a DTZ (De-Terrorised Zone) in Pakistan.

India and Pakistan may have a common problem in terrorism, but they do not have terrorists in common. Those who have inflicted havoc already in India, and those who intend to do so in future, are safe in their havens in Lahore and Multan and Karachi. Pakistan's ambivalence on terrorism was exposed yet again by the release of Prof Hafeez Mohammad Sayeed, emir of Jamaat ud Dawa, from house arrest on June 6. It needed an official sanction by the UN Security Council to send him into soft detention. The government's duplicity was evident in the frailty of the case against him. The Lahore High Court, which ordered his release, discovered that Pakistan had not even placed al-Qaeda on its list of terrorist organizations.

Islamabad may have taken action against militants in the Frontier who pose a threat to Pakistan, but it continues to mollycoddle those who threaten India.


Islamabad's leverage has risen in Obama's Washington for good reasons. America may have outsourced flat-world, high-tech jobs to soft-power India. But America has outsourced a full-scale ****** war to Pakistan.

Rewards for India come in corporate balance sheets and middle-class jobs. Compensation for Pakistan comes in billions of dollars for the army (as much as $5 billion of which has been diverted, so far, to the purchase of conventional weapons meant primarily for use against India) and much more in aid and soft-loans. Pakistan believes that money is insufficient. It wants the bonus of political rewards. It expects a Pak-US nuclear pact, not because it is in need of fuel for peaceful or martial purposes, but in order to quasi-legitimize its status as a nuclear power. Islamabad also wants some settlement on Kashmir that it can sell to its people as a victory.

Former president Pervez Musharraf may be out of circulation but ideas that jumped out of his box a few years ago are back in play. He has just given an interview to Der Spiegel in which he suggests that India and Pakistan were close to an agreement over his proposals: "demilitarization of the disputed area, self-governance and a mutual overwatch." Delhi insisted on the conversion of the Line of Control into a formal border, but the thought that the two countries came close has given Washington reason to believe that it can now pressurize Delhi to make some concession, perhaps by agreeing to make the Line of Control "irrelevant" by "opening transit routes".

There is great danger in this "soft border" thesis. How can you have a "soft border" unless both sides recognize it as a border? Moreover, what does the phrase "mutual overwatch" mean? Both would dilute symbols of Indian sovereignty in Kashmir.

Musharraf, who sounds bored by his new routine of bridge with friends at his flat in London, says he is ready to broker a peace deal.

The search for peace might prove to be tougher than starting a war in Kargil.
 
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This is odd. The title for the section says

Discussions on Pakistan's struggle against the militancy. Dont post any topics related to India. Post U.S. "War on Terror" topics in World Affairs forum.

And then a Moderator goes and posts a story that is only related to India.
 
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That mindset appears to be changing, as the Obama administration seems to have concluded that India is as much part of the problem as its claim to be its solution, if not more.[/B]

There is language in the Pakistan aid bill that got passed specifically saying that India is not a part of the problem, using those exact words. The commentator is wrong on this count, verifiably.

Considering the progress was made in terms of fixing up quite a few confidence-building measures (CBMs) - although most of Pakistanis think ex-president General Pervez Musharraf had given more than taken from New Delhi - its resumption would help strengthen anti-terrorism co-operation. The sad truth is that India has never been able to secure trust and confidence its neighbours, a reality which tends to promote, albeit vicariously, terrorism by the separatist forces.

The ball is squarely in India's court and the onus to improve climate of mutual trust and co-operation lies with New Delhi. US Secretary of State Clinton's visit to this region next month and expected "chance" Zaradri-Singh conclave in the sidelines of the upcoming Shanghai Co-operation Organisation summit in Russia, we believe, can greatly help in that respect.

I have a dog that keeps biting my neighbour. Now the neighbour has been saying that I am supporting my dog in its aggression, but I keep telling him that all I am doing is giving my dog moral support - I mean, dogs have to eat too, don't they? Anyway, after my dog bit my neighbours kids badly, I locked up my dog. I consider that I have done my part and that the neighbour should come forward and talk about how his fence intrudes half a foot into my plot.

Now I can't understand why my neighbour won't talk to me. He says that he will talk to me only after I have taken my dog for an obedience class or else the dog will bite again (and keeps repeating that I am supporting my dog in its immoral acts).

I think the ball is in my neighbours court.

Oh, and recently my kid came back from school with a cut on her knee. I think my neighbours dog did it. He says he has no dogs, but I have seen him being friendly with dogs and think he is the kind of person who might have a dog. I complained to the local goon and he has talked to my neighbour that he should not have dogs.
 
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the US cant pressurize us into talking...we dont get any funding or donations from the yanks.
the yanks are useful in pressurizing pakistan...and that is it...indo-us ties dont have the nature to get india into a position that the us can bully us...
talks are good though...but not in a while.
 
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But US is India's strategic boss or if you put sugar coat "strategic partner". Put up or shut up situation for india just beginning to emerge.

you can't explain that can you?
 
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This is odd. The title for the section says

Discussions on Pakistan's struggle against the militancy. Dont post any topics related to India. Post U.S. "War on Terror" topics in World Affairs forum.

And then a Moderator goes and posts a story that is only related to India.

To my judgement the article belongs in this section as it links militancy to India's role in Afghanistan and Kashmir. :coffee:
 
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If we take this metter in historical context then it is clear that it was India who first admitted that Kashmir is a dispute betweeb Pakistan and India.

The ball is in India's court since the inception of the game. India has grabed the ball like an insatiable lustful poor starving kid who clutches at every atractive article to overcome his/her hunger.
 
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The Ball is in India's court? No sir, to normalise relations the perpetrators of the Mumbai attackers need to be prosecuted. So the ball is in very much Pakistan's court.

May be the US administration analysed that Mumbai incident was basically a response to India's repressive rule in the Occupied Kashmir.

a) The fact that the term "occupied Kashmir" was used shows that the article is biased.
b) To justify mass murder, calling it a response to India's "repressive role" in Kashmir, is downright pathetic. No it did not happen because of Human rights abuses in Kashmir, it happened because the GOP turns a blind eye to anti Indian terrorists. If not Kashmir, these people would have used "India's oppression of Muslims in India" as a justification or some other excuse.

And the United States must have also come across the evidence - on its own - confirming that India, in cahoots with the Afghan government, is deeply involved in sustaining militancy in Pakistan's north-western regions and Balochistan.

Hilarious. Pakistan supported the Taliban - perhaps the worst kind of oppressive regime imaginable - in Afghanistan and now its blaming Afghanistan for interfering in Pakistans affairs? Pot calling kettle black. As far as India's support for Balochsitan militants, it is nothing more than unproven Pakistani allegations.
 
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the ball is surely in indian court. they r the one who stopped the talking process and keep making media statements daily that they will not talk to pakistan.
that day is not far when both will have to sit and talk.
india has severe inferiority complex. it is such a big country with huge economy etc but it does not behave like one.
U cannot force others to respect u rather u have to earn it. so if india wants to be respected as a local super power it will have to learn to behave in a way that others are not threatened and antagonized.
 
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