Bacha khan's grand daughter is an Indian

[Dalit]

Afrasiab Khattak's children studied in India.

Of course they did. Have you seen his Twitter feed lately? Poison flows out of his ANP nostrils.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

@Foxtrot Delta This Indian is claiming Azad Kashmiris are Punjabi speakers. Sorry to waste your time.

I am a Punjabi speaker, btw, and I don't speak a lick of Koshur. Punjabi is Indo-Aryan language which has larger Farsi influence, Kashmiri is a Dardic language.



Brother, besides Kabulie, Afghans are our brothers. We have fought the same enemies, triumphed over them, we are past the rough parts, now let's move forward together to the future.



They don't know what Afghans think of Hindus. In Afghanistan, the word for slave is Hindu and it is a big insult.

You ask Afghans what they think of Indian "Blacks," they will show you how much venom they have for them.

Kashmiri is spoken only in the valley not in AJK or GB. A person from Jammu can speak better Kashmiri than someone from GB.

A Sindhi in Indian Gujarat is much close to people of Sindh, culturally, than a person from Rawalpindi.

See its not that simple.


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most people in azad kashmir speak Hindko or pahari just like in KPK abbotabad and mansehra region. yes it is very similar to punjabi. and even pahari/hindko is spoken in haryana uttrakand and regions surrounding nepal.

what he says is something true about proximity and similarities in culture and languages. gujrat and sindh punjab and our punjab . gilgit and kashgar/xinjiang of china , ladakh and tibet of china

this doesnt mean we are indian. we gave up our indian identity for the sake of Islam. we will always choose Muslim identity and rules and guidanlines of Islam over our own cultures etc.

pakistan has similarities with all its neighblurs, iran , afghan, tajik, uyghur punjab gujrat , kashmir

but we all in pakistan broke off from british india to keep our islamic identity.

for Pakistan it is easier to be merged with afghanistan or iran or arabia than to be merged back into india ever just for the sake of islam. if these countries give up nationalistic ideals and choose to be muslims first instead of afghans, pashtoons persians, arabs etc

however if india choose Islam and becomes a muslim nation and islamic laws are enforced then yes its a possibility for us to join india.

we took pakistan in the name of islam. we made pakistan to show to arabs, persians, tajiks, kashmiriz uyghurs and all nationals like baloch and punjabiz or sindhiz that they can come together under the Flag of Islam.

Pakistan is an experimental state made to merge all muslims nations into one nation. we are above kashmiriz or punjabiz or pakhtoons.

Pakistan ka matlab kya? la illa ha illalah. (what does pakistan mean? "there is no god but The God one & only") this is what we kashmiriz and punjabiz and sindghiz and baloch and pashtoons and afghans voted for . in the name of Islam we created Pakistan. who ever among pakistaniz disagrees than he is welcome to leave Pakistan.

Pakistan ka matlab kya? la illa ha illalah. پاکستان کا مطلب کیا؟ لاالہ الااللہ

 

[xeuss]

Well that may be true but there are many middle class Hindus who vote for BJP because they were fed up with corruption in other parties. You cannot assume that all people voting for BJP are voting because they are anti-Muslim either. Also, there are non-Hindus who vote for BJP whom I have fully discounted.

The hardcore anti-Muslim vote that BJP gets is ~600,000 people. This is less 0.01% of Indian population.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...0-years-says-its-official/article29101108.ece

But those same people who voted for BJP for other reasons, do not seem the least bothered by its anti-Muslim antics.

The reality is, how many would be bothered if Muslims were being made stateless and marched off to deportation camps, had the economy be growing at a torrid 20%. You could probably count them on your fingers.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

most people in azad kashmir speak Hindko or pahari just like in KPK abbotabad and mansehra region. yes it is very similar to punjabi. and even pahari/hindko is spoken in haryana uttrakand and regions surrounding nepal.

what he says is something true about proximity and similarities in culture and languages. gujrat and sindh punjab and our punjab . gilgit and kashgar/xinjiang of china , ladakh and tibet of china

this doesnt mean we are indian. we gave up our indian identity for the sake of Islam. we will always choose Muslim identity and rules and guidanlines of Islam over our own cultures etc.

pakistan has similarities with all its neighblurs, iran , afghan, tajik, uyghur punjab gujrat , kashmir

but we all in pakistan broke off from british india to keep our islamic identity.

for Pakistan it is easier to be merged with afghanistan or iran or arabia than to be merged back into india ever just for the sake of islam. if these countries give up nationalistic ideals and choose to be muslims first instead of afghans, pashtoons persians, arabs etc

however if india choose Islam and becomes a muslim nation and islamic laws are enforced then yes its a possibility for us to join india.

we took pakistan in the name of islam. we made pakistan to show to arabs, persians, tajiks, kashmiriz uyghurs and all nationals like baloch and punjabiz or sindhiz that they can come together under the Flag of Islam.

Pakistan is an experimental state made to merge all muslims nations into one nation. we are above kashmiriz or punjabiz or pakhtoons.

Pakistan ka matlab kya? la illa ha illalah. (what does pakistan mean? "there is no god but The God one & only") this is what we kashmiriz and punjabiz and sindghiz and baloch and pashtoons and afghans voted for . in the name of Islam we created Pakistan. who ever among pakistaniz disagrees than he is welcome to leave Pakistan.

Pakistan ka matlab kya? la illa ha illalah. پاکستان کا مطلب کیا؟ لاالہ الااللہ

Beautiful post brother, as always. This is interesting because I speak some Hindko as well.

May Allah swt bless you with a fruitful Ramazan and give barakat in your life. Let us pray for Pakistan, which is beset by enemies within and without.

 

[MayaBazar]

But those same people who voted for BJP for other reasons, do not seem the least bothered by its anti-Muslim antics.

The reality is, how many would be bothered if Muslims were being made stateless and marched off to deportation camps, had the economy be growing at a torrid 20%. You could probably count them on your fingers.

That's a very pessimistic view.

With regards to people coming out and fighting, the mileage varies from place to place.

For example, if we take an interior place in Andhra where there are hardly any Muslims, people would be almost be indifferent as their problems are different. Basically, Out of sight, out of mind. They may vote YSRCP or TDP or Congress or CPI or BJP but their vote would never be for or against Muslims or Hindus.

Now if we take places in Deccan where there is sizable Muslim population, you can bet people will come out to protest and fight because Muslims and Hindus in this region have lived together for generations. I was born and brought up in Hyderabad. I have many Muslim friends from my school, college and service days. Even today, when I go to India, we all meet. None of my Muslim friends voted any other party other than MIM while I have never voted for MIM.

Does our voting record indicate that my Muslim friends are Islamic Fundamentalists or I am anti-Muslim? Not at all. We vote in such a way because of TINA factor.

At least for me I had better options and I have voted for Congress, TDP and TRS but for my Muslim friends the only option is to vote for MIM.

 

[MayaBazar]

Sir Syed was dead by the time the Muslim League was formed, stupid H.

The creation of Pakistan has its origin much before the creation of All India Muslim League.

Original Articles
Sir Syed Ahmad Khan and the Turks
Syed Tanvir Wasti
Pages 529-542 | Published online: 06 Aug 2010

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• https://doi.org/10.1080/00263200903251468

Abstract
Sir Syed Ahmad Khan was a pioneer of higher education for the Muslims of India after political power passed to the British in the nineteenth century. He was a leader who foresaw with clarity that Hindus and Muslims were bound to seek separate national destinies after the British left India. After the collapse of their own empire, the Indian Muslims aligned themselves with the Ottoman Turks and Sir Syed therefore deliberately chose Turkish models for educational, cultural and even sartorial reform. He was loyal to British rule in India mainly because, though it subdued all Indians, it simultaneously prevented the Hindu domination of Muslims.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00263200903251468

 

[Hiptullha]

The creation of Pakistan has its origin much before the creation of All India Muslim League.

Ok lol. Thanks for the unrelated article. The millions of people (including your Bacha Khanis) voting for Pakistan didn't have anything to do with it, it was all because of the evil Freemasons (who were probably working with the Catholic Church, Wahabis and Khangress). I've heard this all before, come up with something new, you stupid H.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

The creation of Pakistan has its origin much before the creation of All India Muslim League.

Original Articles
Sir Syed Ahmad Khan and the Turks
Syed Tanvir Wasti
Pages 529-542 | Published online: 06 Aug 2010

• Download citation
  
• https://doi.org/10.1080/00263200903251468

Abstract
Sir Syed Ahmad Khan was a pioneer of higher education for the Muslims of India after political power passed to the British in the nineteenth century. He was a leader who foresaw with clarity that Hindus and Muslims were bound to seek separate national destinies after the British left India. After the collapse of their own empire, the Indian Muslims aligned themselves with the Ottoman Turks and Sir Syed therefore deliberately chose Turkish models for educational, cultural and even sartorial reform. He was loyal to British rule in India mainly because, though it subdued all Indians, it simultaneously prevented the Hindu domination of Muslims.

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00263200903251468

So you are attempting to teach us our own history now.

Sir Syed Ahmad Khan's struggle was totally different than the Muslim League. He merely set the ideological foundation of the course of action Muslims should follow. He wished Muslims to learn from and own Western knowledge to be better able to challenge the British and Hindus, who had boxed Muslims out of politics and civil service since 1857.

Quaid e Azam was the final manifestation of this mindset and he led the charge for Pakistan, the final destiny of Muslims of this region we call Pakistan today.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Absolutely. Any Pushtun living in Pakistan/Afghanistan should be given citizenship of India if they opt to immigrate to India.

You thinks India is the heaven for minorities, then you're wrong India is hell hole for Minorities especially for Muslims

 

[xeuss]

That's a very pessimistic view.

With regards to people coming out and fighting, the mileage varies from place to place.

For example, if we take an interior place in Andhra where there are hardly any Muslims, people would be almost be indifferent as their problems are different. Basically, Out of sight, out of mind. They may vote YSRCP or TDP or Congress or CPI or BJP but their vote would never be for or against Muslims or Hindus.

Now if we take places in Deccan where there is sizable Muslim population, you can bet people will come out to protest and fight because Muslims and Hindus in this region have lived together for generations. I was born and brought up in Hyderabad. I have many Muslim friends from my school, college and service days. Even today, when I go to India, we all meet. None of my Muslim friends voted any other party other than MIM while I have never voted for MIM.

Does our voting record indicate that my Muslim friends are Islamic Fundamentalists or I am anti-Muslim? Not at all. We vote in such a way because of TINA factor.

At least for me I had better options and I have voted for Congress, TDP and TRS but for my Muslim friends the only option is to vote for MIM.

This all boils down to our respective places in Indian society that shape our views. Your privileged position as a part of the majority will will never experience what we do, and therefore dismiss our view as pessimistic.

 

[MayaBazar]

So you are attempting to teach us our own history now.

Sir Syed Ahmad Khan's struggle was totally different than the Muslim League. He merely set the ideological foundation of the course of action Muslims should follow. He wished Muslims to learn from and own Western knowledge to be better able to challenge the British and Hindus, who had boxed Muslims out of politics and civil service since 1857.

Quaid e Azam was the final manifestation of this mindset and he led the charge for Pakistan, the final destiny of Muslims of this region we call Pakistan today.

All India Muslim League and Jinnah came much later.

The dice for creating Pakistan was played back in ~1867 during Sir Syed Ahmad Khan's time.

Just read more about Urdu-Hindi Language wars.

You thinks India is the heaven for minorities, then you're wrong India is hell hole for Minorities especially for Muslims

Certainly not. You are framing your opinion based on what you read on the internet. I live and know the ground reality. The ultra right is a well oiled vocal machine. Hence they make big noise with small numbers. They would also create one or two incidents as part of their scare tactics. But for majority of us the normal life goes on.

This all boils down to our respective places in Indian society that shape our views. Your privileged position as a part of the majority will will never experience what we do, and therefore dismiss our view as pessimistic.

Why do you think I am at a privileged position than you or vice-versa? Two of my bosses and three of my foreman were Muslims. My sister married a Muslim. I am talking from experiences through my life.

 

[xeuss]

Why do you think I am at a privileged position than you or vice-versa? Two of my bosses and three of my foreman were Muslims. My sister married a Muslim. I am talking from experiences through my life.

Same way why I can never understand what an African American goes through in the US as discrimination. Both the African American and I are minorities, but have vastly different experiences. I should never use my experience as a minority in the US to compare with what the African Americans go through.

 

[MayaBazar]

Same way why I can never understand what an African American goes through in the US as discrimination. Both the African American and I are minorities, but have vastly different experiences. I should never use my experience as a minority in the US to compare with what the African Americans go through.

Incorrect analogy. Muslims of the subcontinent have been the rulers not slaves.

 

[xeuss]

Incorrect analogy. Muslims of the subcontinent have been the rulers not slaves.

The point is not who was a ruler or who was a slave. The point is I can never lay claim to the experiences of others because my position is society is not the same as others.

 

[MayaBazar]

The point is not who was a ruler or who was a slave. The point is I can never lay claim to the experiences of others because my position is society is not the same as others.

I agree that each and every person is unique and perceives things differently.

Perceptions of one cannot be extrapolated and generalized as perceptions of the others.