Babur praised South-Asian caste system as an advantage

[M.Bison]

Babur in his Baburnama wrote extensively about his newly conquered land, there were many complaints from his side - of looks, manners, animals, food, candles, no running waters except rivers but he also praised quite a few things and caste system was one of those things.

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Don't worry the Hindus will bring back the caste system in its entirety and you will have your rightful place at the bottom.

 

[Suriya]

Most of the land in Kerala was owned by Nambudiri Brahmins till Kerala land reforms.

Land grants were always given to temple and the same temple sustained many Brhamin villages.
Yes, Hindu had large land holding gifted by monarchs.

Ashwamedha? Land grants to Brahmins?

How any kings did Ashwamedha? Do you know it was performed after conquering a large nos of kingdom.

And they barred other castes from EVEN studying anything and made studying a crime for them, it was a brutal and forced monopoly. Even today, Bengali Kayastha (a high caste) are given Shudra status and barred from doing Brahmin rituals.

Another canard. Hindu vedic dharma lived peacefully with Buddisn and Jainism for thousands of years. And often times it was under Buddhist or Jain kings. Knowledge was accessible to Buddist and Jains, beside Brahmins or other Hindu castes.

But still Brahmins remained the strongest caste - Chitpavans served in Adil Shahis before the rise of Marathas.

What do mean by strongest caste? Kuck bhi bol do. Did they serve in the Adil Shahi military or in their courts?

Fun fact : Shivaji was considered a Shudra and Brahmins refused to coronate him, thus he created fake lineages from Sisodias and bribed 5 million Rupees (at that time) to Brahmins. So much for living off begging.

One more canard. He faced some resistance from dogmatic Pune Brahmin factions, that's why he got approval from a renounced Banaras Brahmin who coronaed him as 'Chatraparti Maharaj' which later everyone accepted.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

1) I was talking about the data provided above.
2) Pakistani Punjabi Rajput
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What is the source of that data, I am curious.

Yes, this Pakistani looks like he could be Pukhtoon, Afghan, Iranian, Arab, or Turk. That is what I am saying, Iranic genetics.

 

[xeuss]

Fun fact : Shivaji was considered a Shudra and Brahmins refused to coronate him, thus he created fake lineages from Sisodias and bribed 5 million Rupees (at that time) to Brahmins. So much for living off begging.

You should also add that Peshwas, being upper castes, usurped the Maratha legacy and empire.

Basically, all the fruits of Shivaji's efforts were savored by the upper caste Peshwas.

A guilt ridden convert trying to justify forceful conversion of his Hindu ancestors by foreign Muslim marauders by tarnishing previous religion of his ancestors. Pity on you.

I am glad my ancestors accepted Islam. May Allah bless them.

I am glad to not be a part of society where your birth determines your status, where you are looked down upon simply because you are not a Brahmin

 

[Hiptullha]

A guilt ridden convert trying to justify forceful conversion of his Hindu ancestors by foreign Muslim marauders by tarnishing previous religion of his ancestors. Pity on you.

No one here has ever felt guilty. Personally, I've become more firm in my belief that Islam was a good thing after seeing how you people touch and caress the feet of your Brahmin superiors.

 

[Cliftonite]

A guilt ridden convert trying to justify forceful conversion of his Hindu ancestors by foreign Muslim marauders by tarnishing previous religion of his ancestors. Pity on you.

Looool. We are simply calling a spade a spade. You guys may see the charm in worshipping elephants and cows, we don't.

 

[Naofumi]

Land grants were always given to temple and the same temple sustained many Brhamin villages.
Yes, Hindu had large land holding gifted by monarchs.

How did that Brahmin (term above) devolved to Hindu (term above)? What kind of deductive/inductive logic?

How any kings did Ashwamedha? Do you know it was performed after conquering a large nos of kingdom.

Narrate me the myth of Onam festival.

Another canard. Hindu vedic dharma lived peacefully with Buddisn and Jainism for thousands of years. And often times it was under Buddhist or Jain kings. Knowledge was accessible to Buddist and Jains, beside Brahmins or other Hindu castes.

Joke of the millennium.

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What do mean by strongest caste? Kuck bhi bol do. Did they serve in the Adil Shahi military or in their courts?

Both. Their bureaucratic experience came handy for Maratha empire, they and CKPs literally hijacked the empire until it decentralised under regional Maratha governors.

One more canard. He faced some resistance from dogmatic Pune Brahmin factions, that's why he got approval from a renounced Banaras Brahmin who coronaed him as 'Chatraparti Maharaj' which later everyone accepted.

With what price?

What is the source of that data, I am curious.

I took it from brown pundits, have to dig in for root source.

Yes, this Pakistani looks like he could be Pukhtoon, Afghan, Iranian, Arab, or Turk. That is what I am saying, Iranic genetics.

Umm, to me he can be easily identified as an Indian but nevermind.

A guilt ridden convert trying to justify forceful conversion of his Hindu ancestors by foreign Muslim marauders by tarnishing previous religion of his ancestors. Pity on you.

I have no hesitation in saying that if the Mohammedan has been cruel the Hindu has been mean and meanness is worse than cruelty. - Ambedkar

Don't worry the Hindus will bring back the caste system in its entirety and you will have your rightful place at the bottom.

Society has progressed a lot, we ain't going back now. Fix yourself though.​

 

[KhanBaba2]

You should also add that Peshwas, being upper castes, usurped the Maratha legacy and empire.

Basically, all the fruits of Shivaji's efforts were savored by the upper caste Peshwas.

Maratha empire when Shivaji died

Maratha empire under Peshwas

 

[Suriya]

Looool. We are simply calling a spade a spade. You guys may see the charm in worshipping elephants and cows, we don't.

When you guys were lords of your land, you horsewhipped elephants and cows for thousands of years with innate devotion. Once your lands were conquered by foreign Muslims invaders and enslaved, your ancestors couldn't resist the pressure and converted to the religion of their masters.

 

[Hiptullha]

Say people who are followers of a foreign origin Arab religion, Arab culture, keep Arab names and even bow to pray looking towards Arabia and dwell in the glory of Turkish rulers of their land.

You worship steppe gods, pray to animals, and dwell in the glory of Brahmins and Kshaitriyas kings who used your kind as footstools. You are a literal cuck, proud of a caste system where you're positioned at the bottom and Aryan invaders are at the top.

 

[Suriya]

You worship steppe gods, pray to animals, and dwell in the glory of Brahmins and Kshaitriyas kings who used your kind as footstools. You are a literal cuck, proud of a caste system where you're positioned at the bottom and Aryan invaders are at the top.

Fyi, Hindu trinity of Brahma vishnu and Shiva or avatars of Lord Vishnu such Ram or Krishna are 100% Indian Gods.

 

[Hiptullha]

Fyi, Hindu trinity of Brahma vishnu and Shiva or avatars of Lord Vishnu such Ram or Krishna are 100% Indian Gods.

Modi is also a 100% Indian God to you folks lol. We both know where the baap of all these gods came from and that it didn't come out of the minds of the mediocrities in India currently worshiping toilets.

 

[xeuss]

Say people who are followers of a foreign origin Arab religion, Arab culture, keep Arab names and even bow to pray looking towards Arabia and dwell in the glory of Turkish rulers of their land. The same Arab and Turks who pay scant regard for these Hindi Muslims. Where is your self respect and dignity guys ??

We can also keep Hindu names as long as its meaning does not contradict with Islamic principles.

Or English language as well. Therefore Dixit is off the list.

 

[Suriya]

Modi is also a 100% Indian God to you folks lol. We both know where the baap of all these gods came from and that it didn't come out of the minds of the mediocrities in India currently worshiping toilets.

Was there domestic plumbing in 7th century Arabia??
I can try to understand your precarious situation as I've seen how Arab Muslims treat Hindi Muslim converts. Anyways Go watch Ertugrul and dwell in reflected glory. LOL

 

[Hiptullha]

Was there domestic plumbing in 7th century Arabia??

No, but ironically enough, 7th century Arabia still came up with better toilet etiquette than modern day India with its nude, crusty, unwashed "holymen" relieving themselves at the designated street.

Anyways Go watch Ertugrul and dwell in reflected glory. LOL

Ok "Suriya". Where did that name come from btw? Doesn't sound like it came from a Ganga slum.