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Armenia hasnt even takent he gloves off yet and people are already celebrating an azeri victory.
Armenia can bury all of azerbaijan if it unloaded its missiles at Azeri oil facilities just as a starter....

If you were the commander of the Armenian Army. And you saw your enemy had a huge precision strike advantage thanks to their drones.

would you make a stand on flat grounds, and get all your men butchered on unfavorable terms?

or would you do exactly what the Armenians done.

Dont mass to give targets to Azeris. heavily ambush and bleed the azeris every step, and make tactical withdawls into the mountains. What the ARmenians refer to as "fluidity of modern warfare"

the Armenians are actually smart. the land they gave up was almost indefensible. They preserved their forces and inflicted heavy losses on azeris. and are now gearing down for the real phase of the war.

once again i repeat this. the poor azeri troops are being led into a death trap due to some bad propaganda, and a handful of "cool" drone images.

You remind me the bully who challenges a guy "let us go outside if you're a man". And when the guy says "ok let us go outside" and he comes outside, the bully then challenges him "let us go to the gymnasium" :rofl: You keep repeating "tactical withdrawals" when the truth is Armenians are driven out of Southen Karabagh gradually. Their equipment and their forces are obliterated from the air with no end in sight, and the Armenian president, prime minister, and foreign minister are touring western capitals, bleeding for outside intervention.

It seems some of Azerbaijani neighbors are really scared of the pending Azeri military victory. Perhaps they worry what that victory will be translated to in the long run!!
 
Stop repeating those lies Dotard and Pompeo trying and trying their best to spread.
Are you paid by them to spread the lies on Uighurs?
You know more of the situation there then Pakistan and all other major Muslim countries?
You know as much as Dotard and Pompeo is it?8-)
What ever I stated in my post is the ground reality. I do not need to follow the lead from US leadership or anyone. There are other sources which clearly provide factual evidences and details.

Chinese leadership do not tolerate religion practices. This need to be addressed. By doing so China may become most favored nation among Muslim nations of the world.
 
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If I was their general I would make a tactical withdrawal into armenia.

If this is their preservation of forces, I would hate to see what a massacre looks like.

Armenia can bury azeriri oil facilities, electricity plants. factories and even residential areas with its missiles. But why doesn't it? Because its nice? lol no, because thats not how wars are fought. and thats not realistic.

The consequences would simply be too big. Armenia would be brought back 70 years in terms of its infrastructure. And never trade with Turkey or AZE again. If it follows the laws of war to a great degree, things will normalise at some point.

By the time ARM start really fighting this war, the war will be over. They can fight it in their heads and tell good stories on the internet.

you(people in general) really really REALLLY need to get this delusion of Armenia surrendering karabakh out of your heads.

its soo unrealistic its beyond absurd. in terms of mentality, The armenians are 10x times more fanatically determined then the average pakistani is to kashmir.

karabakh is armenia to them. its their lands they have lived on for 1000s of yeaars. and have seen first hand what happens when they fall under turkish rule...

this is a war for survival. they will fight tooth and nail to the last man, woman and child. if azerbaijan wants karabakh, its going to have to genocide it from the last armenian. Period.

any armenian general or president who tries to "surrender it" would be hung up by their balls in downtown yerevan.
 
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You remind me the bully who challenges a guy "let us go outside if you're a man". And when the guy says "ok let us go outside" and he comes outside, the bully then challenges him "let us go to the gymnasium" :rofl: You keep repeating "tactical withdrawals" when the truth is Armenians are driven out of Southen Karabagh gradually. Their equipment and their forces are obliterated from the air with no end in sight, and the Armenian president, prime minister, and foreign minister are touring western capitals, bleeding for outside intervention.

It seems some of Azerbaijani neighbors are really scared of the pending Azeri military victory. Perhaps they worry what that victory will be translated to in the long run!!

"he who tries to defend everything, will end up defending nothing"

-famous military quote
 




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Perspectives | Armenia’s military position in Nagorno-Karabakh grows precarious
Perspectives | Armenia’s military position in Nagorno-Karabakh grows precarious

The view from Baku.

By Michael Kofman for Eurasianet October 24, 2020
Four weeks into the war, Armenian forces in Nagorno-Karabakh face a military calamity. Azerbaijan’s drones and artillery have whittled them down, forcing a steady retreat. Unable to effectively counterattack or replace its losses, Armenia’s military has ceded considerable ground.
Although Azerbaijan’s early offensives did not result in significant gains, over the past two weeks they have captured a substantial amount of territory south of Stepanakert and along the Iranian border. Now Armenian forces are under threat of being cut off entirely as the Lachin corridor, linking Nagorno-Karabakh to Armenia proper, is within range of Azerbaijani artillery. It is possible that Azerbaijan will capture this critical supply line within days, or at least begin to interdict it. At the time of this writing Armenian forces are trying to stabilize the battlefield and repel further Azerbaijani advances towards Lachin. The battle line is seesawing as fighting intensifies in this area.
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Source: Emreculha, wiki.
Having seized Jabrayil, Hadrut and Fizuli, Azerbaijan’s military has advanced west towards the Hakari river valley and turned north. The war is not over, but it is clear that Armenia has no way to reverse such gains, or reconstitute its substantial losses; digging in will place its forces under siege. Consequently, Baku can already claim a significant political victory based on battlefield performance and territory brought back under its control, though there is no sign it intends to stop its advance.
The military balance has long favored Azerbaijan, which holds qualitative and quantitative superiority over Armenia. For decades, Baku has poured money from energy exports into a much more modernized military, buying a host of capabilities from Russia, Turkey, and Israel.
Armenian forces’ were unprepared for armed drones and loitering munitions, which Azerbaijan began using to great effect, destroying Armenian armored fighting vehicles, air defense systems, and targeting everything that could be found in the open across the line of control. Fielding dated air defenses, in relatively small numbers, and with armored equipment deployed in revetments that were largely exposed to air attack, Armenian forces had not adapted to Azerbaijan’s capabilities.
During previous clashes, Azerbaijan had employed drones, but ineffectually. The dramatic change in Baku’s military performance, and the combat effectiveness of its drone fleet, could in part be explained by increased support from Turkey. Turkey provided mercenaries as a relatively cheap and disposable force, deployed F-16s, and appears to be aiding the war effort. Why Azerbaijan is using mercenaries is unclear, beyond offsetting their own casualties in costly offensives. These are not necessarily experienced or battle-hardened veterans, but more likely cannon fodder, often used in conflicts across the Middle East like Syria or Libya.
Some analysts have speculated that Turkey – which has hundreds of military advisors in Azerbaijan – is coordinating the drone campaign, offering intelligence, and possibly operating the TB2 drones directly. The extent of Turkish involvement is unclear, but it appears to be of a qualitatively different character than during previous bouts of fighting between Armenia and Azerbaijan. This is not to suggest that Azerbaijan’s armed forces cannot fight, but it is also evident they are getting help from a larger military power.
Putting technology aside, wars are ultimately contests of will, and it is evident that both sides retain the will to fight. Despite immense losses in tanks, artillery, and air defense systems, Armenia’s military effort did not collapse into disorganization, or turn into a rout. As this war demonstrates, drones are effective, but cannot take and hold terrain. Over time, they have however enabled Azerbaijan to degrade Armenian defenses, and attack its reserves and supply lines. This has allowed Azerbaijan to make steady advances with special forces and infantry backed by armor. As Armenian lines thin, Azerbaijan can attain local superiority. In some areas their forces appear to be advancing largely unopposed.
Efforts to establish a ceasefire have thus far proven futile. Battlefield exhaustion has not set in on either side, and hence there is little reason why Azerbaijan would accept a ceasefire. The war seems to have strong national support among Azerbaijanis, especially since they’re visibly winning. As Azerbaijani forces near the Armenian border, the fight may increasingly grow existential for Yerevan. What looks and feels like a military defeat will undoubtedly have political consequences for Armenia’s leadership, to say nothing of the humanitarian consequences for those caught in the battle zone.
Baku appears to have maximalist aims to retake all of Nagorno-Karabakh and outer regions under Armenian control. At least this much can be gleaned from President Ilham Aliyev’s boisterous statements. Even if both sides accept a ceasefire, Armenia will do so knowing that Azerbaijan can renew the military effort next year. Meanwhile Armenian forces have poor prospects for recapitalizing their military after the tremendous losses in equipment suffered over the last four weeks. That said, Azerbaijan has also taken casualties, many of which are not being disclosed by the regime. Video feeds from drones paint a rather one-sided impression of the battlefield, but it is doubtful that these offensives have not taken a toll on Azerbaijan’s military as well.
Michael Kofman is director of the Russia Studies Program at CNA and a fellow at the Kennan Institute in Washington, D.C.
This article originally appeared on Eurasianet here.


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you(people in general) really really REALLLY need to get this delusion of Armenia surrendering karabakh out of your heads.

its soo unrealistic its beyond absurd. in terms of mentality, The armenians are 10x times more fanatically determined then the average pakistani is to kashmir.

karabakh is armenia to them. its their lands they have lived on for 1000s of yeaars. and have seen first hand what happens when they fall under turkish rule...

this is a war for survival. they will fight tooth and nail to the last man, woman and child. if azerbaijan wants karabakh, its going to have to genocide it from the last armenian. Period.

any armenian general or president who tries to "surrender it" would be hung up by their balls in downtown yerevan.



Its not unrealistic!

The geography of the region may be mountainous. True. But. That does not automatically translate into a pro for the Armenians or a con for the Azeris.

The whole of the mountain area is not defensible. The geography is such that it generates angles and exposes the western slopes to the Azeri advance from the South and also from the North in some areas. Yes there are quite a few tough regions if you consider the whole of NK. But the Azeris do not plan to take all of it by force. You can cut off critical supply lines, coral the Armenians into an ever smaller area. Heavy electronic jamming and a various other methods can yield the good fruit.

If the corralled (or in Armenian words tactically retreated) Armenian forces will be concentrated and able to defend better, then the Azeris will also have their assets concentrated in a smaller area. If the Armenians can over time develop techniques to counter the hell birds, well the Azeris can learn to do things differently as well.

Already the Azeris are out of the flat fields and into the mountainous area. If you couldn’t stop the Azeris from your strongest defensive line. That you hardened for decades. While you enjoyed complete advantage of height and the Azeris were on the flats, then I don’t believe you will be able to once they are also in the mountains. As they are now. While the Armenian artillery can have many blind spots due to the mountains, allowing the Azeris to station troops strategically. The Armenians are not safe from the drones, which do not suffer from the blind spots generated by the mountains.

The Azeris have shown us that they may not have had a lot of experience fighting wars. At least comparatively to the Armenians. But they have proven to us their resolve. The Azeris are willing to sacrifice lives to gain territory faster. This is another point that the Armenians didn’t prepare for.

If the international community does not intervene. NK region will fall to the Azeris. Once the supply lines are cut via Lachin control, it’s going to become very difficult to supply on the Corps level. Can’t do via air, and the small donkey trails will be at the discretion of the drones. What are you gonna do? Not much really..

Armenia attacking does not mean they will turn the tide. The Azeris have been keeping a heavy reserve exactly for such an eventuality. But Armenians won’t do anything like that. They know it will be the end of their country as they know it.

All in all, with how things are going so far. Armenians will continue to do “tactical retreats”. And the Azeris will continue to gain ground. They are going to defend the Lachin corridor. But what will they do when the Azeris are willing to sacrifice lives for it? I suspect the Lachin corridor will fall, it’s very hard to deal with an opponent who is willing to give their life.
 
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The geography of the region may be mountainous. True. But. That does not automatically translate into pro for the Armenians and a con for the Azeris.

The whole of the mountain area is not defensible. The geography is such that it generates angles and exposes the western slopes to the Azeri advance from the South and also from the North in some areas. Yes there are quite a few tough regions if you consider the whole of NK. But the Azeris do not plan to take all of it by force. You can cut off critical supply lines, coral the Armenians into an ever tightening area. Heavy electronic jamming and a few other methods can yield the good fruit.

If the corralled (or in Armenian words tactically retreated) Armenian forces will be concentrated and able to defend better, then the Azeris will also have their assets concentrated in a smaller area. If the Armenians can over time develop techniques to counter the hell birds, well the Azeris can learn to do things different as well.

Already the Azeris are out of the flat fields and into the mountainous area. If you couldn’t stop the Azeris from your strongest defensive line. That you hardened for decades. While you enjoyed complete advantage of height and the Azeris were on the flats, then I don’t believe you will be able to once they are also in the mountains. As they are now. While the Armenian artillery can have many blind spots due to the mountains. Allowing the Azeris to station troops strategically. The Armenians are not safe from the drones which do not suffer from the blind spots generated by the mountains.

The Azeris have shown us that they may not have had a lot of experience fighting wars. At least comparatively to the Armenians. But they have proven to us their resolve. The Azeris are willing to sacrifice lives to gain territory faster. This is another point that the Armenians didn’t prepare for.

If the international community does not intervene. NK region will fall to the Azeris. Once the supply lines are cut via Lachin control, it’s going to become very difficult to supply on the Corps level. Can’t do by air, small donkey trails will be at the discretion of the drones. What are you gonna do? Not much really.

Armenia attacking does not mean they will turn the tide. The Azeris have been keeping a heavy reserve exactly for such an eventuality. But Armenians won’t do anything like that. They know it will be the end of their country as they know it.

All in all, with how things are going so far. Armenians will continue to do “tactical retreats”. And the Azeris will continue to gain ground. They are going to defend the Lachin corridor. But what will they do when the Azeris are willing to sacrifice lives for it? I suspect the Lachin corridor will fall, it’s very hard to deal with an opponent who is willing to give their life.

Very true, people have written manuals on mountain warfare. And while they do give an advantage to the defender, under many circumstances, mountain ranges have been occupied before.

Artillery is less useful, but thats why they have mortars. AZE has some very good jeep mobile mortars of very large calibre. Drones of course. And they have the people willing to climb those mountains and clean up the bodies left behind.

I dont doubt ARM fanaticism, but some battles you are just going to lose. This is probably one of them unless they surrender soon and withdraw and negotiate a way out.
 
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