Azadi March Updates & Discussions

[hussain0216]

It's called democracy and freedom to protest

You are right technically but these are exactly the rule of this power game, every player in it want to upheld.

Rule No. 1 : Play in the Grey Areas
Rule No. 2: Push your opponents towards an open end (Black & White.)

Target Aim: Declares your opponents as “Agressor”, “un-constitiutional” once it’s done in public mind, He/She will lose automatically.

So under this rule. Govt & Establishment avoids confronting JUI head-on under JUI’s democratic right, instead tries to malign it as “Fasad March”.
JUI on its part avoids making their march as law and order situation and tries to portray it as peaceful as they could (You have seen Lahore Metro running in middle of Jalsa and Ambulance walks freely around for that purpose).

Last night (01st Nov, Episode)

Maulana sb., thrown a tantrum and asks institutions to remain “Neutral”. In the hindsight his audience clearly was military but as the rule of the game he avoids making it Black and white and only name the word Institutions.
Feeling the heat from Maulana, DGISPR tries to woo him in the open and ask Maulana to name Institution which he tries to mlign.
Maulana feels vindicated and portrays ISPR reply as “Chor ki Darhi main tinka” tries to push ISPR towards an open end.

I thinks ISPR blinks here, he should not makes that tweet and tries to deflects it through IK or S.Rasheed i.e. from a politician instead of coming out in open by himself.

So, first round opposition got advantage…..Lets see next.

Pakistan is waiting for your protest to run out of breath

What's going on? Why such March? Isn't Imran Khan doing better for Pakistan?

Democracy! Freedom to protest by opposition parties

This is not haseenas Bangladesh

 

[VikingRaider]

Democracy! Freedom to protest by opposition parties

This is not haseenas Bangladesh

What's the reason of provocating comment when I have asked a simple question? Doesn't your democratic culture teach you how to response without any judgement?

 

[Shane]

It’s not illegal to be part of Maulana’s party. If think they are not under observation and the authorities won’t move in at first hint of some nefarious moves, you are very stupid.

Ignoring your spiting against the wind...may I ask why your tone is so offensive since your first reply?

Let me pointout THE FIRST HINTS OF NEFARIOUS MOVES, paralysis of softstate and break it down to you in simple terms what is illegal and what is not because your understanding seems to be quite naive about law and order and how timely and strickly it should be maintained.

• Fazlur Rehman and co who created and took Guard of Honor from "illegal private security band" needed to be arrested with the seniors of AnsarulIslam on that day long before start of March. End of story before birth of march...put in detention like Movi Khadim for a good few months under MPO afterwords.
• Highcourt ordered that Ansarul Islam Uniform is illegal, should have at least been enforced at entry into Punjab from Sindh.
• Entry into Punjab should have been made subject to abiding with "CONSTITUTION AND LAW; AS IT CLEARLY NEGATES PRIVATE BANDS" ...Fazlu should have been made toothless using the same CONSTITUTION he claims to be out to protect...what an irony.
• if AnsaulIslam was openly disbanded by JUIF and made to surrender all their Uniforms, only then allow them entry into Punjab or turn back and hold dharna in Sind.
• At the same time, all other parties including JUIF should have been told that they are free to hold dharna if they abide by law in agreed dharna ground.
• The strictness on Punjab border would have pshycologically damaged the verve of thousands of participants and made them at least apprehensive about joining, who later come and joined the march from punjab and kpk, because they could feel no fear or ristrictions but free hand to the marchers by administration.
• Let us agree that there was no phsycological pressure on participants of this March but freehand, no fear of crackdown or anything like fear of terrorist attack...all of the above mentioned tools were used against PTI Dharna participants to restrict attendence in 2014 to which I was also a witness like I am a firsthand witness to this one.

Since the law was not enforced from start by our weak SOFTSTATE, the dharna is here in all its pomp and claiming their CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS that they themselves are responsible of breaking as described above...anyway...moving forward...Now the dharna is here.

• Molvi FazlurRehman...broke the law again in his dharna speech...
• SCP in its latest verdict regarding definition of TERRORISM, has also described it among its many forms; if someone threatens the Government and undermines STATE INSTITUTIONS. He did both.
• Molvi Fazlu threatened in his speech that "We will go and arrest the PM if he does not resign"...using his illegal danda band Ansarul Islam ofcourse.
• What use are SCP or court verdicts or defining terrorism if it is not to be implimented?

Are we that stupid @Mangus Ortus Novem or are we just hell bent on acting this way to whatever end?

Watch and enjoy why Fazlu is acting all pompous:

 

[Shane]

• PTI Gov failed to calculate FuzlaMechanism. PMIK was misinformed and badly advised. Facts. All facts.

• Showbaaz is in charge of Punjab despite that Buzdar being there.... Balochistan Gov ...i.e. LEAs tried and these FuzlaDandabardarFouj attacked them... terrorism according to SCP verdict. Nothing happened afterwards.

• Punjab Gov didn't have the will/capacity to impound illegal/smuggled vehicles entering Lahore and then vanishing...under the cover of FuzlaMarch.

• KPK Gov arrested that foul mouthed mufti...and then HC granted him bail... and that poisonous snake was on FuzlaContainer

• MarasiMedia has been hyping this FuzlaMarch for months...and now they think that their desired goal of bloodshed in the NationalCapital is near...full of glee, droowling... MirFasad in FuzlaFouj uniform and delivering speech ... direct violation of Constituition of OurLand.... AsmaBazari in the FuzlaContainer.. hanging out... this one is real poison.

• Fuzla and his rabbid FazoolMullahMaffia given too much time on TeeVee to spit poison againt the PakState. Yes, PMIK is just an excuse.. real target is PakState.

• Billo has been threatening 'selectors'... and this selected/selected is actually daily attack on PakNationalSecurityManagement ... which is not just PakArmy... and TeeVee/MarasiMedia promoting it with relish.

• Noora walking on his own..after driven in SUV...with the customary gulbaari ... walks out to enter ServicesHospital... with 6000 platelets... ask any medical professional what happens when only 6000 platelets are left.... and then MarasiMedia created a hype ......LaWhore HC and the on Saturday NooraJudges in IHC and then again IHC... why give a bail..when Noora is already in the hosptical?

• Zardari in hospital... dying... PeePee threatening with another corpse from Pindi.. on TeeVee... FakeAccountsCases grinding to a halt.... FuzlaMarch timed to perfection.... PakKashmiris in IoJK forgotten, Noora eating qimay walay naan on his dying bed...watching item songs..with Nanni ... hot on Whatsapp...

• Attacks on Western borders by ANA/Terrorists and CFL hotter than ever... FuzlaMarch, FuzlaMarch... MarasiMedia doing JumWhoriat, JumWhriate dallas ... all coming out of the closet.. none impartical.

• Where is PakPositiveNarrative in the Media/AsocialMedia space?

• DGISPR only one fighting back GanguFacistMedia and GanguNarrative... where is the army of advisors/ministers... isn't it their job.... Sheik Rasheed... useless as ever...

• SoftState... dangerously SoftState... because the PakState itself is under attack from within and without... more so from within... SindhCard/PTMCard/BLACard/TLPCard/FuzlaCard/MQMCard/NarcoLeague capture of state functionaries...

• When political parties run their own private spying agencies ... spying on the PakState... is it difficult to model the TensileStrengthQoutient of PakState? Started in 1990s with attack by Noora on SurpremeCourtPakistan and reached exposure maximum with ArshadMalikVideoGames and NooraOperationChief that Butt sitting in Londonistan... and still no movement on this case.

Hanging on skin of teeth...

• CriminalEnterprise blackmailing the PakState and palying with Dollar-PKR parity... FinMin informants on the payroll.

SoftState, you asked YoungPak?

Most of the time we fail to see human affairs...because we are in it... should we be able to detach ourselves and purely look at it from System perspective it is not that difficult to Model and create PredictiveAlogrithems...

We are in ControlledChaos for some time now... it has accelerated with PTI Gov.. from day one MarasiMedia is hostile to this GoP and is supporting the StatusQuoForces i.e. CriminalEnterprise for obvious reasons.

However, how we cash in on this Chaos shall determine the future for next ten years... it is actually about the FundamentalCourse of Pakistan. ​

With InstituitionalCapture and Noora/Zardari Judges and police being a thug/enforcer than protector of Paks.. Thin ice all this.

One hopes and prays for some CunningPlan in bowels of PakState... it does have the ability.. but for fruition it needs tools and planning... a mathematical approach and not the old styled symptoms management.

I choose Hope. I choose to believe that MyPakState has a CunningPlan... to take OurLand back from the CriminalEnterprise.



P.S. What is the situation on the ground... FuzlaCaptives... what are they upto...when there are no speeches?

Kudos Sir, the political mess, very articulately explained in so many words.

P.S. What is the situation on the ground... FuzlaCaptives... what are they upto...when there are no speeches?

Let me share info from this morning...some of my friends live in the sector G9 opposite Dharna, as well as the other side of it which is H8, i9 and i10...the following is first hand observation by my self and info I've heard.

The danda band jerks change clothes, pick up their back packs and head into adjacent sector masjids for a wash and freshen up for the day's hoopla...in scattered groups or individually but in small numbers and only a few at a time...like as if by schedule...they are well organised and controlled.

Have seen Fazlu March outsiders with plain white turbans and prayer caps on head at adjacent secor masajids as far away as G11, G10 and F10 since yesterday and this morning too. (Dharna itself is opposite far end of G9.) How do I know they are Fazlus...signature Safron tuban cloth is not on their heads but still on shoulder or in shoppingbags and others have back packs, some even carry black stripped dandas, lol. It is like a walk in park for them, no tension...obnoxious tactics by administration to not keep them contained inside dharna venue.

Point to note about surrounding sector Masjids...many have left open their side gates to washing areas open 24/7 unlike other days when they open it before salah time for outsiders.

Very innocuous and very convenient for public don't you think, lol.

This relaxation and no tension attitude is simply mind boggling.

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[The Eagle]

Several arrested for Taliban Flag in Azadi March, Islamabad.

 

[PakSword]

Go Nawaz Go slogans in the FuzlaMarch ... 92 reporting...

@Verve @RIWWIR @Shane @PakSword @Zibago @AZ1

Lolll

 

[The Eagle]

Go Nawaz Go slogans in the FuzlaMarch ... 92 reporting...

@Verve @RIWWIR @Shane @PakSword @Zibago @AZ1

https://www.facebook.com/

 

[pkuser2k12]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1190633738155241472

 

[Shane]

Several arrested for Taliban Flag in Azadi March, Islamabad.

 

[The Eagle]

One of the Participant in Dharna got angry with Maulana for disrespect due to making him wait for more than 2 hours. He introduced himself as the grandson of one of the persons who fought for Independence of Pakistan (Khan). While watching the footage when he introduced himself, I thought he should know why he is disrespected like this.

• Those who at-least fought for Pakistan, must be careful when introducing themselves to Fazal-ur-Rehman.

• Maulana is the same guy who announced protest day on 14th August even though he could choose another day but sorry, that was India's independence day.

• Then, Maulana choose to protest on 27th October (Black day for Kashmir) onward especially when Kashmir issue is already the top priority for Pakistan.

• Then Maulana brought Taliban flags to the Dharna especially when Pakistan is already fighting against hostile elements involved to blacklist us in FATF.

• Being a religious party, Maulana openly threatens state about unrest, which too will be enough to be referred in FATF.

• Then he didn't speak a bit about Kashmir even though, it was the case of priority for any Pakistani in these days.

• Then he provokes and blames Military without any substance so that Army will do the dirty work for him or at-least fall for the trap which is not the case.

• Then he blames establishment for favouring PTI yet calls to help him get rid of it.

• Then we see Maulana wants Government to forcibly dissolve assemblies, issues threats of unrest/clash and speak of everything which falls under illegal action by any democratic value.

• Then he share stage with Achakzai who is famous for his treacherous designs in regard to divide Pakistan on ethenic basis.

• Then we see Maulana hugging SEFMA's Alam, the most vile type person famous for anti Military & Religious values.

• Then we see Maulana's close aid thanking Marvi Sermad for speaking in favour while she is also very famous to malign military as well as demean Religious Teachings.

• Then we see most of the pseudo liberals running campaign for Maualan's march on social media.

• Then we see Hamid Mir dressed in particular colour of Ansar-ue-Islam Force, shares stage with Maulana at the same time when ultimatum was given along with baseless allegations against Institutes.

• Then we see Bilawal shares the stage especially where Taliban flags are raised while he is the boy who's mother was targeted by Taliban reportedly.

• Achakzai lost election against Mualana's close aid but both are sharing stage for alleged rigging/selection by institute.

• Then we see Maulana levels allegations and then came back with usual political twisting words & statement while failing to provide any justification or even a proof.

• Then we forget that Maulana is the same person who didn't vote against Musharraf in Assembly back in days and that is on record.

• Then we also read that Maulana & Hamid Mir are the guys that were part of Lal Masjid attack. Both of these persons gave a go to Musharraf.

• Then we see Maulana & company openly & proudly violate their agreement as it was meant for them to reach Islamabad.... like any other lie or cheat and they aren't guilty for the same.

Then I don't know how people think that it has anything to do with Political or being an opposition. Had it been the case I will see all of the opposition resigning from assemblies/parliament to enforce re-election or dissolving assemblies to protest with higher moral but that does not seems to be the case here.

I had no issue with any political protest, which is a usual thing in Pakistan for these parties but the trend, alliances involved, forces behind, the elements supporting such protest and specific interest by certain hostile elements; warrants to call it out.

 

[Shane]

An interesting few interviews of People in Dharna: Heinous allegations against Imran Khan. How the participants are brainwashed to whatever end FazlurRehman wishes to use them for...

@PakSword These jerks use the words Jews as if it is fair game thanks to the brainwashing of Maloon Jahil FazlurRehman. They don't even know that Jews have as much right to live in this world as any human being. The enemies are not Jews but Zionists who are extremist expansionist Jews like the RSS Hindutva Extremist lot.

This Dharna has been held after raising the stakes way higher than anyone can imagine in terms of Religious propaganda that ensures the Fazlu workers that they are on a religious Jehad Against agents of Jews. i.e. Fair Game. This is extremely dangerous.

The Molvis have managed to trick the Government Negotiation Committee into getting permission to encamp in Islamabad without hindrance...Now good luck to the dimwits who allowed this uncontrollable debacle.

As I said before:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/azadi-march-updates-discussions.641330/page-30#post-11870356

 

[Shane]

BreakingNews: Fuzla just finished his speech... today Fuzla was bit crest fallen... all socialist rhetoric... no threats... talked about movement and continuation of the FuzlaMovement...

I guess Real Danda was given... and now...

Looks like Fuzla is climbing down... looked rather beaten...

@Shane @The Eagle news about Showbaaz meeting some foreign diploz... any beat on that?

Strategy to creat lull before the storm...prolonging the peace period for spending the time they need to pass.

 

[El Sidd]

TLP may join in the march.

It will be glorious.

Rise of Muslims against the western proclaimed living god

 

[Zibago]

You are right technically but these are exactly the rule of this power game, every player in it want to upheld.

Rule No. 1 : Play in the Grey Areas
Rule No. 2: Push your opponents towards an open end (Black & White.)

Target Aim: Declares your opponents as “Agressor”, “un-constitiutional” once it’s done in public mind, He/She will lose automatically.

So under this rule. Govt & Establishment avoids confronting JUI head-on under JUI’s democratic right, instead tries to malign it as “Fasad March”.
JUI on its part avoids making their march as law and order situation and tries to portray it as peaceful as they could (You have seen Lahore Metro running in middle of Jalsa and Ambulance walks freely around for that purpose).

Last night (01st Nov, Episode)

Maulana sb., thrown a tantrum and asks institutions to remain “Neutral”. In the hindsight his audience clearly was military but as the rule of the game he avoids making it Black and white and only name the word Institutions.
Feeling the heat from Maulana, DGISPR tries to woo him in the open and ask Maulana to name Institution which he tries to mlign.
Maulana feels vindicated and portrays ISPR reply as “Chor ki Darhi main tinka” tries to push ISPR towards an open end.

I thinks ISPR blinks here, he should not makes that tweet and tries to deflects it through IK or S.Rasheed i.e. from a politician instead of coming out in open by himself.

So, first round opposition got advantage…..Lets see next.

PPP and PMLN said adios Molana is in for the littar program

We Islamabadis wont be bothered by a swift action against such charlatans

It is all over now all PPP and PMLN can do is save their *** before it gets whoped

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

TLP may join in the march.

It will be glorious.

Rise of Muslims against the western proclaimed living god

InshALLAH