AVIC Presents FC-31 Stealth Fighter model to Pakistan Air Force Chief.

[Alpha BeeTee]

我同意一个观点：拥有强大的国防不是为了打仗，而是为了把可能发生的战争扼杀在思想萌芽状态。不管是巴基斯坦还是中国，拥有多么先进的战机也是为了保护本国的国家利益不受侵犯，并不需要和其它国家比强了多少，那没有意义。就中国来说，和巴基斯坦一道维护起新丝绸之路上的稳定是今后合作的重要内容!

Yeah that's the spirit !
United we ying,divided we yong ;-)

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

我同意一个观点：拥有强大的国防不是为了打仗，而是为了把可能发生的战争扼杀在思想萌芽状态。不管是巴基斯坦还是中国，拥有多么先进的战机也是为了保护本国的国家利益不受侵犯，并不需要和其它国家比强了多少，那没有意义。就中国来说，和巴基斯坦一道维护起新丝绸之路上的稳定是今后合作的重要内容!

The thing that Pakistan is considering is the poor economic growth. Till this can be improved there can not be much defence budget spending. If loan's and grants are taken that would increase the amount of taxes in Pakistan would bring the people on a direct collision course with the Government.

 

[Tipu7]

Open a new thread on the INDIAN NEWS PAPERS....Lets see how it is taken on here.

They are not talking about it yet I am also waiting for their response but in news papers Indians are way to angry

Let me tell you few of their responses.
1: J31 is crap. It's illegal Chinese copy of f35.
2:China is not buying it. Only Pakistan is buying it because it is cheap.And Pakistan economy is collapsed.
3: Pakistan is failed state with its nuclear weapons in danger. They buying cheap Chinese weapons from aid given to them by USA.
4: Don't worry our tejas mk 2 can beat all those Chinese copies .......
They will even discuss 1971 in j31 threads Believe me

 

[Arsalan]

ooh no noo,,,

Excerpts (translation in Urdu) from this book have also been published in daily Ummat. I am pasting the article that specifically talks about that. I hope this will help.


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oh no noo,
i am afraid there is no truth in this. We got weapons for a war when that period was over the policy was also changed. That was nothing like "ya baat hmary lea dachka the" the author is just add spicy to sell better.

However, the sanctions did made PAF wake up and start making the right decisions. I guess we have US to thank for JF17 as much as we have to thank our own engineers and the whole Chinese help and support.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Let me tell you few of their responses.
1: J31 is crap. It's illegal Chinese copy of f35.
2:China is not buying it. Only Pakistan is buying it because it is cheap.And Pakistan economy is collapsed.
3: Pakistan is failed state with its nuclear weapons in danger. They buying cheap Chinese weapons from aid given to them by USA.
4: Don't worry our tejas mk 2 can beat all those Chinese copies .......
They will even discuss 1971 in j31 threads Believe me

There would be some government bashing too... Which I was hoping could change the PDF moral.

Modi sarkar under Media trial....

 

[Bratva]

Not really. PAF has a come a long way since Kargil. Provision of land based and air launched cruise missiles makes sure that actual strikes by Aircraft are no longer needed in numbers as before.
I was and am a proponent of another medium weight fighter for PAF.....and that is why i was always stuck on the point that PAF get another 3-4 squadrons of either the M2Ks or J-10s. However, i guess they want to go for more F-16s, nothing wrong with that.
PAF will got the stealth route when time comes.....we don't have 5-10 billion USD lying around to buy weapons just like that. You can learn from the so called Mother of all BS drama in India....they realized the actual cost of the 126 jets and ammunition is easily going to touch 30 billion USD and they cannot afford that. It just doesn't make any sense.
Their T-50 is stuck as well.
So PAF will probably go directly to a stealth aircraft from China. Whether that will be J-31 or some other renamed fighter, we don't know. But it will happen in Due time.
And all out war is out of the question. Even if we attack first or they attack first, regardless of the firepower, it's the international sanctions that will kill you, not airforce. Need to tread a careful line there.



Voice and data doesn't really consume as much bandwidth as me streaming Youtube in HD on PTCL DSL.
Military communications are to the point and very rigid in structure. No fancy images and graphics are being exchanged.

When a aircraft is communicating with multiple aircrafts, AWAC, Ground controllers as well exchanging Info with everyone as quickly as possible to mitigate highly dense electronic warfare environment. You definitely need high bandwidth.

Perhaps you have no idea of encryption today. When voice is encrypted with 128 or 256 bit protocols (AES is a standard protocol), it does consume considerable bandwidth. Though data with encryption consume less amount but amount is still significant.

 

[MadDog]

Speaking to a senior officer today regarding some publicity material, i inquired if there was any news from China and mentioned the subject, he replied with a surprised laughter and excused that since he's not with delegation hence he can't comment. !!

Please do ask your sources in PAF, what kind of upgrades would we see on Block III for JF-17 Thunder !!!

 

[NIA]

Please do ask your sources in PAF, what kind of upgrades would we see on Block III for JF-17 Thunder !!!

I think upgrades would be on
1 payload
2 radar
3 any other internal update

Please do ask your sources in PAF, what kind of upgrades would we see on Block III for JF-17 Thunder !!!

 

[RAMPAGE]

@Bratva

China is developing its own equivalents of AN/AAQ-37 and AN/AAQ-40 sensors. Pakistan should ask them to test these sensors on JFT.

 

[Arsalan]

Please do ask your sources in PAF, what kind of upgrades would we see on Block III for JF-17 Thunder !!!

I guess this is what @Windjammer said he asked and to this his source replied,, and i quote. "with a surprised laughter and excused that since he's not with delegation hence he can't comment. !!" what else he should do man

 

[Bratva]

@Bratva

China is developing its own AN/AAQ-37 and AN/AAQ-40 sensors. Pakistan should ask them to test these sensors on JFT.

@Bratva

China is developing its own equivalents of AN/AAQ-37 and AN/AAQ-40 sensors. Pakistan should ask them to test these sensors on JFT.

Since chinese are new in the EOTS field, There is a real chance these sensors need more maturity before it can be fielded in high threat environment. F-35 EOTS is suffering from several problems, one of which is large number of false positive readings. These sensors can't differentiate b/w man made objects and natural objects flying in air.

 

[Windjammer]

Please do ask your sources in PAF, what kind of upgrades would we see on Block III for JF-17 Thunder !!!

I guess this is what @Windjammer said he asked and to this his source replied,, and i quote. "with a surprised laughter and excused that since he's not with delegation hence he can't comment. !!"

Let's just say they are not willing to discuss much over the phone these days. !!!

 

[RAMPAGE]

These sensors can't differentiate b/w man made objects and natural objects flying in air.

Source?

Its a set of IR sensors. You are saying that a typical IR sensor can but they cant?

 

[Bratva]

Source?

Its a set of IR sensors. You are saying that a typical IR sensor can but they cant?

Recent DOT&E F-35 Report:

The DAS has displayed a high false alarm rate for missile detections during ownship and formation flare testing. The inability of the DAS to distinguish between flares and threat missiles makes the warning system ineffective and reduces pilot situational awareness.

Other problems

Newest U.S. Stealth Fighter ‘10 Years Behind’ Older Jets - The Daily Beast

We don't have enough data on chinese IR sensors reliability So my skepticism if there latest IR gadgetry produces reliable tests and can be mounted on JF-17

You can take a cue from JF-17 flying without WMD-7 pods.

 

[tahir195]

Will J-31 close to F-35 ? I mean in performance and capabilities ?

it will be better in performance but cant say about Electronics