Australian woman killed by police in US after dialing 911 to report disturbance

[Hamartia Antidote]

What are you doing living in my city? I've actually been through Dorchester many times in the past 32 years. Although you know what they say about "Lynn Lynn the city of sin, you never come out the way you went in."

Well most of the sections of Dorchester people are exposed to (the coastline) are relatively ok (North East section). Once they got rid of the Columbia Point housing projects things improved vastly. However when you go into the South West sections things start getting really spooky. These deeper inland inner city Boston neighborhoods where nobody has any reason to go to is where the trouble lurks. Jog the length of Blue Hill Avenue at midnight going through Roxbury, Dorchester, and Mattapan and see how long it takes before something happens.

 

[Dai Toruko]

Do not associate our police with the well known brutality of yours.

Funny evertime a black person is shot you say he deserved it and police are a great people of our community who stop violence.... now once its a white woman who is shot you are here to claim we are race''baiting'' for POINTING OUT your discusting racist hypocrisy...

 

[gambit]

Funny evertime a black person is shot you say he deserved it...

Show everyone where...I want to see the exact words.

Else you are a liar.

 

[Dai Toruko]

Show everyone where...I want to see the exact words.

Else you are a liar.

Sorry, my mistake.
I confused you with another person.
The person I mean is @jhungary.

 

[jhungary]

Sorry, my mistake.
I confused you with another person.
The person I mean is @jhungary.

lol, I never said when a black person is shot then they deserve it, and a white woman is shot and it's race bait.

I don't care whether or not the person who got shot is black, white, red or Martian, as long as a reason is legitimate and as per our last conversation, I only care about LEGAL definition, I don't care about whether or not the person who do the shooting is White, Black or Asian, and I don't care whether or not the person who got shot is White, Black and Asian.

The last conversation I had with you is talking about the Legal basis of the case of Philando Castille, Yanez, who is half black by the way, was FOUNDED BOT GUILTY by a jury, and I discuss the case in detail, which you failed to grasp by the way.

As I said in our previous post, I DON'T CARE ABOUT YOUR PERSONAL VIEW ON POLICE IN AMERICA, I care about what you can proof and what you cannot proof. And in this case, I already make my reservation that this will stink the city EVEN IF IT TURNS OUT THE SHOOT IS LEGIT. He (Noor) was supposed to be either on administrative leave or desk duty, he received 3 ACTIVE complaints and he was only a rookie with less than 2 years experience. And you are trying to tell me race is NOT an issue in this case?

Unlike someone here, I do not hide my agenda, my agenda is to seek out the legality of an issue. This is most likely not a legitimate case NOT BECAUSE the vis is a white woman, this is not a legitimate case because the city of Minneapolis decision to use Noor on the line even he has 3 ACTIVE official complaints within the 2 years he was a Police Officer, this is a very questionable point, even if the shoot is legit, the City is still going to need to answer this.

Seems like you are the one who is making this Racial

Very true. But not a call center since that's a totally different skill set, but definitely a desk job, if not a paid administrative leave until the investigation is completed. You are right, though.

So far they're saying that when they showed up, she came running to the driver's side and as she approached, they heard a loud noise or bang and this guy sitting in the passenger seat fired his weapon across the front of the driving cop. The guy freaked out and thought she was either firing a gun or it came from her so he reacted.

They're also saying that dispatch always gets the information from the caller and lets the units know who is the caller so they can distinguish them when they show up. But the dispatcher never gave them that info so when they showed up and saw her in her pajamas, they had no idea she was the caller. Once they realized they messed up, they got out and performed CPR and tried to save her but she was shot in the abdomen and didn't last long, unfortunately.

They do have police officer act as liaison in 911 call centre, they don't answer call, they are there to make sure what people are reporting is actually subject of a criminal activity.

But in general, yes, if he is a rookie, he would probably got kick out of the force if he has that many complaints to begin with, the thing is, the line is drawn and he should not be on the beat, that is the basic of this case.

There are chances that this is a legit shooting, we won't know until a complimentary investigation is conducted, but even so, the fact that Minneapolis continue to use Noor after 3 active complaints would cast doubt on the liability on the part of the City of Minneapolis, because it would look like they are hiring and acknowledging that they know they are using a powder keg on the front line. You either clear him for duty if you have done the due diligent, or suspend him if he is under active investigation. You cannot have him walking around with a gun knowing he have charges against him. That is a big no-no for Policing.

 

[Gomig-21]

Jog the length of Blue Hill Avenue at midnight going through Roxbury, Dorchester, and Mattapan and see how long it takes before something happens.

Yeah...no thanks. I'm a North Shore guy, anyway. I try to stay out of the South metro Boston area unless I'm heading to the glorious Cape.

They do have police officer act as liaison in 911 call centre, they don't answer call, they are there to make sure what people are reporting is actually subject of a criminal activity.

Like Halle Berry!

But in general, yes, if he is a rookie, he would probably got kick out of the force if he has that many complaints to begin with, the thing is, the line is drawn and he should not be on the beat, that is the basic of this case.

I know what you're saying, but it's a tough one. The reason is that if you actually take a look at how many fruitless complaints are filed against cops, it's pretty substantial. Many people who get arrested for the smallest (but legitimate) misdemeanors and get angry, file complaints. So many routine instances where cops are doing their jobs but some have nasty attitudes and the people they're dealing with get all ticked off, end up filing these silly complaints. They stack up and many departments get overwhelmed with them. They probably put the really egregious ones on top of these huge stacks and many just get filed away. Even if the cops were out of line, or a little abusive, they get the benefit of the doubt and the file gets exactly that, filed! Unless these people have attorneys and are willing to pay large sums of counseling fees -- which more often than not they don't -- the complaints get buried. So it might've depended on how egregious this guy's actions were and maybe they didn't warrant a suspension.

There are chances that this is a legit shooting, we won't know until a complimentary investigation is conducted, but even so, the fact that Minneapolis continue to use Noor after 3 active complaints would cast doubt on the liability on the part of the City of Minneapolis, because it would look like they are hiring and acknowledging that they know they are using a powder keg on the front line. You either clear him for duty if you have done the due diligent, or suspend him if he is under active investigation. You cannot have him walking around with a gun knowing he have charges against him. That is a big no-no for Policing.

Hard to tell which way this will go. If the dash & body cams were off, there still is audio, so they should be able to determine something about what happened. The other cop said there was a loud noise, so is he lying to cover up for his partner? Would he take that chance? Every one knows they protect each other but this would be a career killer if he lied. There was a witness on a bike they'll be talking to.

Someone questioned the cameras being off and the answer was that they have to be able to turn them off when they use the bathroom or are speaking to an informant etc., so they might've forgotten to turn the body cams back on. It doesn't explain why the dash cam was off, but either way, if she was at the driver's window, it wouldn't have picked up the action.

 

[Dai Toruko]

lol, I never said when a black person is shot then they deserve it, and a white woman is shot and it's race bait.

And according to America and American Citizen, he is not inexperience and made a mistake, he is in the right to shoot Philando, as he, Yanez, was ACCQUITTED of the charge. This is how we train out police, this is how our law are, if you have a problem with that, DON'T COME TO AMERICA.

When you have to fire your weapon, you empty the clip if you have to, seeing that firing your weapon is your last resort, that mean for you, AT THAT TIME, there are no other option left, either you fire and cease him, or you die (That's because it was the final resort) How do you know if you fire once or twice, the threat will be gone, in police force, you are taught to fire 3 rounds on the centre mass, in the Military, you are taught to fire 5 rounds 3 in the chest, a double tap on the head. In war, you click the trigger until nothing comes out.

This is the law in the US, you don't like it? Don't come, and stay in Turkey, here in the US, Police ask you to do something you do it, if you don't do it, you may get shot, this is how it work, if you are an American, you need to follow American law, if you are not an American, nobody is forcing you to come here. The same reason why I refused to travel to Singapore for vacation, they have death penalty, I am not a Singaporean, so if I don't like death penalty, I can choose not to go to Singapore.

Philando is a US Citizen, by law, he have to obey what they officer said, when the officer said NOT TO REACH FOR IT, he continue to reach for whatever he is reaching, and he got shot, that's it. It's not about who's scare of who, it's not about who is in the wrong or who is in the right, it's about the law. It's about whether or not you can proof for or against your case.

Was Yanez actually scare? I don't know, to be honest, I don't care, whether or not he is scare, or whether or not the Police abuse their power, that is not the case here, the case is whether or not Yanez did the right thing shooting Philando, the answer is YES, because he is acquitted, and also because the Prosecution put up a weak case, maybe if they spend more time invest in the case, they may be able to get him or they won't tried him at all, but instead he was tried and acquitted, which is a waste of money.

Your words. In this case, you react differently and accuse the black police officer.
You have a huge problem with black people.

 

[jhungary]

Your words. In this case, you react differently and accuse the black police officer.
You have a huge problem with black people.

It's you who have a problem with Black (or White) people, I don't have a problem for black people, cop or no cop. I stick behind cops that do the right thing, I don't tow the line to cops that do the wrong thing, it's that simple.

1.) Yanez is a half black cop with Mexican Ancestry, he would have identify himself is Black, or Latino.

2.) This case is different than that of Philando Castille, the Castille case has ALREADY TRIED BY JURY and resulted in a NOT GUILTY Verdict, I satisfied the fact that present of the Accused (Yanez) is not powerful enough to convict Yanez, the FACTs, not your Opinion, is what counted in that case. As I said, I am not interested in what you think about US Law Enforcement System and what racial make up Yanez was. He can be black, he can be white, he can be Asian, unless you are accusing the Prosecution who intentionally did not do a good enough job to prosecute Yanez because he is Black and/or Latino, his case was done and dusted, in a Criminal Court Point of view as he cannot be retried because of double jeopardy. To which I have openly challenged you in Law aspect, but you keep giving me what you think about the case in your opinion. And as I said in our previous conversation, unless you can proof what you think, then what you think DOES NOT MATTER

On the other hand, this case is unclear, facts are missing, you and I weren't there to see how the event transpire for Noor to shoot Damond. He could have been doing it legitimately, this we don't know. I am not privy to any detail during the investigation, neither do you, once Noor was prosecuted, I can download the wits to the court and discuss that with you, but before that, no one, not you or me, can say for certain he is guilty or not guilty on shooting Damond, just because she is white.

3.) I do say, countless time here, that whether or not the shoot is legit, the city of Minneapolis would still be under fire and still be liable to civil action because Noor was reported "Repeatedly" and he is left on the street continue on as a rookie police officer, this is undoubtedly a problem for the city, because Noor should have been retired or send to non-frontline capacity. The only reason anyone can think of as to why Noor is allowed to stay on the beat after 3 official complaints is either he was needed on the line because of his ethnicity, or the city has acted negligently, both of which is covered by me in my previous post.

I don't really care Noor is a Muslim, Black, White or Christian, he can be legally shot and killed Damond, that depends on the prosecution and how they found their case, on the other hand, you seemed to have a race issue.

 

[jhungary]

Like Halle Berry!

lol, I have never watch that movie...

I know what you're saying, but it's a tough one. The reason is that if you actually take a look at how many fruitless complaints are filed against cops, it's pretty substantial. Many people who get arrested for the smallest (but legitimate) misdemeanors and get angry, file complaints. So many routine instances where cops are doing their jobs but some have nasty attitudes and the people they're dealing with get all ticked off, end up filing these silly complaints. They stack up and many departments get overwhelmed with them. They probably put the really egregious ones on top of these huge stacks and many just get filed away. Even if the cops were out of line, or a little abusive, they get the benefit of the doubt and the file gets exactly that, filed! Unless these people have attorneys and are willing to pay large sums of counseling fees -- which more often than not they don't -- the complaints get buried. So it might've depended on how egregious this guy's actions were and maybe they didn't warrant a suspension.

Well, normally, it would take a bit of a backclog, but do remember Noor is a rookie, and I am pretty sure his complaints on 2016 would mean he is still in Probation, seeing he only served for less than 2 years (US Cop usually have 12-18 months on the job probation period depending on the city) and during that stage, your record have to be spotless, he would have released from his Policing contract upon the probation period. Because the city is a bit stingy for rookie cop go around in a misconduct kind of way, his complaints would be heard internally and there would be a quick judgement either by his department or IA/IG or both. He would not have been on the street for the least if he is in his probation and have a complaint against him.

Failure to do that is the responsibility of the city, they did not look into this particular individual enough. Most case would be heard in a orderly fashion and a judgement given without going to a court, unless a serious felony or misconduct is committed. The thing is, all that have not been done by City of Minneapolis, as I said, you either do your due diligent and have him back on the street or sacked, but not have 3 charges laid against him while he work the line...

Even tho more than half of these "Complaint" turned out to be false, but still, there in place of a investigation mechanism offered by Attorney General (AG), Inspector General (IG) and Internal Affairs (IA), not to mention if there are criminal culpability involved, you will hear from DA office as well. But before than, normally you don't go back to the line.

Hard to tell which way this will go. If the dash & body cams were off, there still is audio, so they should be able to determine something about what happened. The other cop said there was a loud noise, so is he lying to cover up for his partner? Would he take that chance? Every one knows they protect each other but this would be a career killer if he lied. There was a witness on a bike they'll be talking to.

Someone questioned the cameras being off and the answer was that they have to be able to turn them off when they use the bathroom or are speaking to an informant etc., so they might've forgotten to turn the body cams back on. It doesn't explain why the dash cam was off, but either way, if she was at the driver's window, it wouldn't have picked up the action.

No way for any of us to know what actually happened, that's the reason I said this can once again turned out to be a legit shoot, depending on the willingness of the DA office to persecute the case or how the investigation goes, as much as it like the other homicide, you still need to be able to prove that the situation does not warrant deadly force to be able to charge Noor.

Body Cam or not, this is not the situation Persecutor is looking at, the problem is always intends. Can you prove beyond reasonable doubt that Noor acts is negligent or even culpable? That is what the DA is going after, yes, it may be a bit different if he had turn on his body cam, but not turning it on may have been a slight violation, but that does not automatically spell guilty on manslaughter.

My wife (who is a lawyer) saids these type of case if quite hard to prove intend, most of the time you play victim card, and depending on the circumstance and the service record of the officer, it can swing either way, in short, it quite depending on how the jury going to see Noor and the Victim.

 

[Gomig-21]

lol, I have never watch that movie...

Yeah, neither did I. I just remember the trailer haha.

Well, normally, it would take a bit of a backclog, but do remember Noor is a rookie, and I am pretty sure his complaints on 2016 would mean he is still in Probation, seeing he only served for less than 2 years (US Cop usually have 12-18 months on the job probation period depending on the city) and during that stage, your record have to be spotless, he would have released from his Policing contract upon the probation period. Because the city is a bit stingy for rookie cop go around in a misconduct kind of way, his complaints would be heard internally and there would be a quick judgement either by his department or IA/IG or both. He would not have been on the street for the least if he is in his probation and have a complaint against him.

Failure to do that is the responsibility of the city, they did not look into this particular individual enough. Most case would be heard in a orderly fashion and a judgement given without going to a court, unless a serious felony or misconduct is committed. The thing is, all that have not been done by City of Minneapolis, as I said, you either do your due diligent and have him back on the street or sacked, but not have 3 charges laid against him while he work the line...

Even tho more than half of these "Complaint" turned out to be false, but still, there in place of a investigation mechanism offered by Attorney General (AG), Inspector General (IG) and Internal Affairs (IA), not to mention if there are criminal culpability involved, you will hear from DA office as well. But before than, normally you don't go back to the line.

No way for any of us to know what actually happened, that's the reason I said this can once again turned out to be a legit shoot, depending on the willingness of the DA office to persecute the case or how the investigation goes, as much as it like the other homicide, you still need to be able to prove that the situation does not warrant deadly force to be able to charge Noor.

Body Cam or not, this is not the situation Persecutor is looking at, the problem is always intends. Can you prove beyond reasonable doubt that Noor acts is negligent or even culpable? That is what the DA is going after, yes, it may be a bit different if he had turn on his body cam, but not turning it on may have been a slight violation, but that does not automatically spell guilty on manslaughter.

My wife (who is a lawyer) saids these type of case if quite hard to prove intend, most of the time you play victim card, and depending on the circumstance and the service record of the officer, it can swing either way, in short, it quite depending on how the jury going to see Noor and the Victim.

Agreed. I hate to judge without knowing all the details, but something doesn't seem right. It doesn't make any sense at all that she would be mistaken for a threat and need to be shot. Something extraordinary would've had to take place for that guy to justify pulling his gun out while sitting in the passenger side of the cruiser and shoot across his partner's face and kill this woman. Crazy.

 

[jhungary]

Yeah, neither did I. I just remember the trailer haha.

Agreed. I hate to judge without knowing all the details, but something doesn't seem right. It doesn't make any sense at all that she would be mistaken for a threat and need to be shot. Something extraordinary would've had to take place for that guy to justify pulling his gun out while sitting in the passenger side of the cruiser and shoot across his partner's face and kill this woman. Crazy.

Hard to suggest a reason for he to do it, even if he is being spooked by the fireworks, it does not make sense.

The problem here is how the prosecutor is going to prepare his/her case (Whether there is a case to begin with) and we can just go from there. Thing is, all these "Fire Works" "Spooking" or "Threat Perception" is circumstantial, it may not be use in the court of law, and if they (The DA Office) want to prosecute Noor for the shooting, they will need to proof beyond reasonable doubt that he pull the trigger while ignoring all the duty and responsibility for pull the trigger, hence in a culpable negligence states and act wildly and recklessly and hence endangering the public safety, only then, a charge can be brought up.

That's would basically depends on 3 factors. 1.) How the DA handle the Case. 2.) Evidences 3.) The Jury

 

[wiseone2]

i say the cop messed up here. generally cops in America are excellent.

 

[Gomig-21]

Hmm... Somali-American cop (Mohammed Noor) shoots Australian white woman (Justine Damond) at around midnight. I guess you guys aren't interested in screaming "#whitelivesmatter" or bring up religion into this eh?

He was finally charged with murder yesterday and held with a $500,000 bail.
It will be very interesting to see if he's found guilty.

Officer who fatally shot Justine Damond charged with murder, turns himself in.

Minnesota Police Officer Mohamed Noor has been charged in the fatal shooting of Justin Damond. (MPD)

The Minneapolis police officer who fatally shot an Australian woman in July was charged with murder Tuesday after he turned himself in when a warrant was issued for his arrest.

Officer Mohamed Noor turned himself in Tuesday in connection with the 2017 death of Justine Ruszczyk Damond, his attorney confirmed.

The criminal complaint remained sealed by midday Tuesday, but according to the jail roster Noor was booked on a third-degree murder charge for perpetrating an eminently dangerous act while showing a "depraved mind." The second-degree manslaughter charge alleges he acted with "culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk."

Damond was shot July 15, minutes after calling 911 to report a possible sexual assault in the alley behind her home. The 40-year-old life coach’s death drew international attention, cost the police chief her job and forced major revisions to the department’s policy on body cameras.

Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman was scheduled to discuss charges Tuesday afternoon.

Noor, a 32-year-old Somali-American, has not talked publicly about the case and declined to be interviewed by state investigators.

In a statement Tuesday, Damond's family praised the charges, calling them "one step toward justice."

"No charges can bring our Justine back. However, justice demands accountability for those responsible for recklessly killing the fellow citizens they are sworn to protect, and today's actions reflect that," the statement said.

A police officer who was with Noor at the time of the shooting, Matthew Harrity, told investigators that he was startled by a loud noise right before Damond approached the driver's side window of their police SUV. Harrity, who was driving, said Noor then fired his weapon from the passenger seat. Damond died of a gunshot wound to the abdomen.

The officers did not turn on their body cameras until after the shooting, and there was no squad camera video of the incident.


The lack of video was widely criticized, and Damond's family members were among the many people who called for changes in procedure, including how often officers are required to turn on their cameras.

The shooting also prompted questions about the training of Noor, a two-year veteran and Somali-American whose arrival on the force had been celebrated by city leaders and Minnesota's large Somali community. Noor, 32, had trained in business and economics and worked in property management before becoming an officer.

Then-Chief Janee Harteau defended Noor's training and said he was suited to be on the street, even as she criticized the shooting itself. But Harteau — who was on vacation when the shooting happened and didn't make her first public appearance until several days after the shooting — was forced out soon after by Mayor Betsy Hodges, who said she had lost confidence in the chief.

Harteau's replacement, Medaria Arradondo, quickly announced a policy change requiring officers to turn on their body cameras in responding to any call or traffic stop.

If convicted of third-degree murder, Noor could face a maximum of 25 years in prison, though the presumptive sentence is 12 ½ years. A judge could issue a sentence ranging from about 10 ½ to 15 years.

The second-degree manslaughter charge carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison, but the presumptive sentence is four years.

Jail records show he’s being held on $500,000 bail.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/2...-damond-turns-himself-in-charges-pending.html

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

He was finally charged with murder yesterday and held with a $500,000 bail.
It will be very interesting to see if he's found guilty.

Officer who fatally shot Justine Damond charged with murder, turns himself in.

Minnesota Police Officer Mohamed Noor has been charged in the fatal shooting of Justin Damond. (MPD)

The Minneapolis police officer who fatally shot an Australian woman in July was charged with murder Tuesday after he turned himself in when a warrant was issued for his arrest.

Officer Mohamed Noor turned himself in Tuesday in connection with the 2017 death of Justine Ruszczyk Damond, his attorney confirmed.

The criminal complaint remained sealed by midday Tuesday, but according to the jail roster Noor was booked on a third-degree murder charge for perpetrating an eminently dangerous act while showing a "depraved mind." The second-degree manslaughter charge alleges he acted with "culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk."

Damond was shot July 15, minutes after calling 911 to report a possible sexual assault in the alley behind her home. The 40-year-old life coach’s death drew international attention, cost the police chief her job and forced major revisions to the department’s policy on body cameras.

Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman was scheduled to discuss charges Tuesday afternoon.

Noor, a 32-year-old Somali-American, has not talked publicly about the case and declined to be interviewed by state investigators.

In a statement Tuesday, Damond's family praised the charges, calling them "one step toward justice."

"No charges can bring our Justine back. However, justice demands accountability for those responsible for recklessly killing the fellow citizens they are sworn to protect, and today's actions reflect that," the statement said.

A police officer who was with Noor at the time of the shooting, Matthew Harrity, told investigators that he was startled by a loud noise right before Damond approached the driver's side window of their police SUV. Harrity, who was driving, said Noor then fired his weapon from the passenger seat. Damond died of a gunshot wound to the abdomen.

The officers did not turn on their body cameras until after the shooting, and there was no squad camera video of the incident.


The lack of video was widely criticized, and Damond's family members were among the many people who called for changes in procedure, including how often officers are required to turn on their cameras.

The shooting also prompted questions about the training of Noor, a two-year veteran and Somali-American whose arrival on the force had been celebrated by city leaders and Minnesota's large Somali community. Noor, 32, had trained in business and economics and worked in property management before becoming an officer.

Then-Chief Janee Harteau defended Noor's training and said he was suited to be on the street, even as she criticized the shooting itself. But Harteau — who was on vacation when the shooting happened and didn't make her first public appearance until several days after the shooting — was forced out soon after by Mayor Betsy Hodges, who said she had lost confidence in the chief.

Harteau's replacement, Medaria Arradondo, quickly announced a policy change requiring officers to turn on their body cameras in responding to any call or traffic stop.

If convicted of third-degree murder, Noor could face a maximum of 25 years in prison, though the presumptive sentence is 12 ½ years. A judge could issue a sentence ranging from about 10 ½ to 15 years.

The second-degree manslaughter charge carries a maximum sentence of 10 years in prison, but the presumptive sentence is four years.

Jail records show he’s being held on $500,000 bail.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/2...-damond-turns-himself-in-charges-pending.html

Dark alley, dangerous neighborhood. I think manslaughter at best.

 

[Gomig-21]

Dark alley, dangerous neighborhood. I think manslaughter at best.

Really? Interesting, and you're probably right. Most of these examples do end up exonerating the cops.
This is really a very bizarre incident and I hope we get the true story of what happened. Did he warn here not to come too close? Did he have any viable reason to fire his weapon at her besides that noise they claim they heard?
This should be an interesting case to follow.

What about the cops blasting 20 shots into that guy in his grandmother's driveway in Sacramento? The story came out yesterday, guy had a phone in his hand and of course they thought it was a gun and basically emptied their clips into him. Crazy world but I think the cops need to be held a bit more accountable, even in dark areas since they have the power to kill people. I think they shouldn't be able to just say "it was dark" if you know what I mean. Even though they don't have much time to react, the onus is still on them.

This case here has reeked of weirdness from day one. What did this guy see from this woman that was so threatening for him to blast her in the abdomen? Something's not right.