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Stronger ties to India can reduce unhealthy dependency on China

With Julie Bishop and Marise Payne sitting down for two days of talks with their US counterparts, you can be certain that they're spending much of the time discussing a big, shared problem.

Yes, they've already announced that they'll be conferring on the hardy perennials – North Korea, terrorism and the Middle East – in their talks on Tuesday and Wednesday.

But the big, shared problem that is not actually named in the official announcement of the annual AUSMIN talks is China. The fact that Bishop and Payne couldn't bring themselves to name it is an indicator of just how sensitive it is for Australia.

Their press release promised to work with the Americans to "reinforce our shared commitment to supporting an Indo-Pacific that is peaceful, open, prosperous and adheres to the international rules-based order", which is another way of saying "How the hell do we stop China's encroachments?"

And they said they'd discuss with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Defence Secretary Jim Mattis "how we can work together to promote infrastructure development, economic growth, strong governance and maritime security in the region, which is another way of saying "How the hell do we compete with China for influence?"
Why is Australia is so sensitive to Beijing? Because it has become so dependent on China as an export market. More than one dollar in every three that Australia earns in exports comes from its sales to China. This is Australia's greatest dependency on any one country since the 1950s when it was an economic colony of Britain's.

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And China wields its trade as a political weapon, as nations including South Korea, Norway, Japan and the Philippines have all discovered painfully. Whenever a foreign country celebrates a trade breakthrough into the Chinese market, the Chinese government celebrates the creation of a future point of political leverage.

What to do about this? As with any area of excessive risk, the simplest response is to diversify. That's why Australia must look to fast-growing markets such as India and Indonesia. And that's what was uppermost in Malcolm Turnbull's mind when he commissioned an expert report on India's potential for Australia.

But the report that the prime minister commissioned with some fanfare last year was quietly slipped out by a minister two weeks ago. It wasn't that the government was trying to keep it secret but it certainly wasn't trying to get any attention for it, either. The Trade Minister, Steve Ciobo, released the report by tweet after 8pm one night, followed by a press release the next day.

It's not that the report is some sort of dud. It's a high quality, 500-page report, containing 90 specific recommendations, written by the former secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, Peter Varghese, who's also a former Australian high commissioner to India.

Perhaps it's because Varghese is quite explicit about the China risk. He notes that India is in "deep strategic competition with China". He notes that there is not just economic advantage but a political logic to a closer relationship with India:

"A strong economic relationship with India strengthens Australia's economic resilience," Varghese writes in his report, titled An India Economic Strategy to 2035. "That is important for a country where 40 per cent of our exports currently go to just two markets with ageing populations," meaning China and Japan.

"India – a large and young population – adds balance and spreads risk in Australia's economic relationships." The India relationship is so badly underdeveloped that, while there are hundreds of direct flights a week to China, there is only one direct flight a day to India. And no Australian airline runs a direct flight to India.

Tourism and business cannot possibly flourish with so few air services. Note that there is a fast-growing Indian diaspora in Australia of some 700,000 people. Plus, of course, another billion or so back home.

And on the politics, Varghese points out that there is an increasing Indian "willingness to work with the US, Japan and Australia in ways which capture the growing strategic convergence of these four democracies".

This is anathema to China. It's precisely the logic of the nascent four-nation grouping known as the Quad, a grouping that Beijing inevitably lashes as an attempt at "containment of China".

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Or perhaps Ciobo didn't want to draw attention to the fact that he was supposed to deliver a free trade agreement with India years ago. Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi visited Australia in 2014 with mutual promises that a free trade agreement was imminent.

"At that time everyone said all the negotiations were done, it's in the final stages, and the leaders said they wanted it finished in six to nine months," recalls a Sydney-based Indian doctor and businessman, Jagvinder Virk, who's also an active member of the Liberal Party. "Four years now – nothing."

"Due respect to China," says a frustrated Virk, "China has played a big role in this country. We know that Australia has breakfast, lunch and dinner with China. But let's at least have high tea with India."

Yet, in fairness, the difficulties of negotiating a free trade agreement with India are not entirely of Australia's making. The negotiations bogged down because Australia demands a high degree of access to India's agriculture market but also because India demands the right to send big numbers of workers to Australia.

Varghese doesn't see any easy solution but suggests an end-run instead. Australia should throw itself into negotiations for the 16-nation Regional Comprehensive Economic Partnership, which includes India as well as China. This larger deal could open India to a later bilateral deal, he figures.

Yet the larger point is right. Varghese says that India offers Australia the greatest growth opportunity on earth. Australia's merchandise exports to China last year were $100 billion. And those to India were worth $15 billion.

Varghese sets an ambition, healthy but not unrealistic, for Australia to treble the value of exports to India by 2035 to $45 billion in today's dollars, lifting it from number five on the list of Australian export markets to number three.

The test of Australia's seriousness will not be the manner of the report's release but the determination of the government and the business community in delivering on the opportunity.

Of course, India has to do its part, too. Only India can deliver the growth and the openness that it needs to thrive, as well as the market opportunity for Australia to exploit. India has long been a land of infinite potential. Let's hope it doesn't remain that way.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/str...lthy-dependency-on-china-20180723-p4zt5m.html
 
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That is true and we are already starting to make those moves, India is a democracy and does not try and influence other countries, like China, India does not bully smaller nations either.

Considering the encouragement manufacturing sector is getting in India, I really see that there is a tremendous opportunity for Australian energy and resource companies here. Japan, France and US are making it big here... well Japan and France are and it is time that Australia joined in.

Renewable is something we are looking at seriously especially nuclear power. Thankfully, you guys have started trading in nuclear energy with us.

If we can make 50 new or upgrade existing powerplants in the coming 20-30 years, that itself means your uranium exports are sorted for a long, long time.
 
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Considering the encouragement manufacturing sector is getting in India, I really see that there is a tremendous opportunity for Australian energy and resource companies here. Japan, France and US are making it big here... well Japan and France are and it is time that Australia joined in.

Renewable is something we are looking at seriously especially nuclear power. Thankfully, you guys have started trading in nuclear energy with us.

If we can make 50 new or upgrade existing powerplants in the coming 20-30 years, that itself means your uranium exports are sorted for a long, long time.

I would like to see Australia become closer with another democracy, but India seems to be holding up the free trade deal, but we can move forward in other sectors.

Australia is very good at research and development, health and safety, water etc, even city planning and road safety, police etc so lots of room there to collaborate.

Even our militaries don't do enough joint exercise.
 
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That is true and we are already starting to make those moves, India is a democracy and does not try and influence other countries, like China, India does not bully smaller nations either.

Are you living in an alternate India? :omghaha:
 
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India is emerging as the substitute of China in so many areas. In defense and space and Nuclear technology technologies we are ahead of china in many areas and we shall totally outclass then by 2030.
 
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India is emerging as the substitute of China in so many areas. In defense and space and Nuclear technology technologies we are ahead of china in many areas and we shall totally outclass then by 2030.

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India is emerging as the substitute of China in so many areas. In defense and space and Nuclear technology technologies we are ahead of china in many areas and we shall totally outclass then by 2030.
Thats simply not true. Actually thats not even wrong. Its worse.
 
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I know you are my best friend who can understand wht I say. Thanks for support.
Can you build stealth jet without help the answer is Big NO but they are building J-20/J-31, can you built heavy launch vehicle with capacity of more than 10 ton and the answer is big NO can you build a modified pebble bed nuclear reactor without foreign help the answer is big NO

And why think China remain idle in current (2018) condition in 2030 and assume that India will outclass China in all fields @HariPrasad o_O:what::undecided: but just in your wet

dreaming/ wishful thinking/fantasy world/fairy tales of yours @HariPrasad ;):):enjoy:
 
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How????????????????????????????????????
In all the three areas you are quite behind China :
1. Space : Your ability to launch satellites is limited to 3-4tonnes, Chinese can launch much bigger satellites.

2. Nuclear : Both in civilian and military nuclear technology India is far behind China. In terms of nuclear weapons China has mastered both fission and fusion based bombs, You had only one test with dubious yields. In civilian nuclear technology, Ypu are still dependent upon foreign help in setting up nuclear power plants while China has been setting up its own nuclear power plants for quite sometime.

3. Defence : China manufactures most of its weapons and weapons platform complete in-house with home grown technology. India lacks many core technologies in house like gas turbine engine, ASEA radars, heavy duty diesel engines for tanks, long range artillary and numerous others.
 
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Can you build stealth jet without help the answer is Big NO but they are building J-20/J-31

We are building AMCA without anybody'd help. It is a true fifth generation plane and not a so called 5th generation plane.
can you built heavy launch vehicle with capacity of more than 10 ton and the answer is big NO

Yes we are building. It will have much more weight carrying capability than 10 tons. We are building a mini vehicle which shall reduce launch cost to just 10% of our current cost which is already half anywhere else. We can launch 200 satellite (104 already launched) from only one vehicle and send our mission to mars in copybook manner which china can not do.
you build a modified pebble bed nuclear reactor without foreign help the answer is big NO

We have a FBR in operation since 1983. CHina only did that in 2013 i.e 30 years behind.

And why think China remain idle in current (2018) condition in 2030 and assume that India will outclass China in all fields @HariPrasad o_O:what::undecided: but just in your wet
dreaming/ wishful thinking/fantasy world/fairy tales of yours @HariPrasad ;):):enjoy:

We are catching up very fast. We shall have better fighter planes, Better missiles (We already have) , better BMD (infact we already have), Space (We are ahead in majority of areas except putting human in space and lifting capability), We are ahead in nuclear technology in many critical areas (FBR, AHWR etc. Infact we are leading nation with Russia in FBR) , we are ahead in Pharmaceuticals and health care, we are ahead in education, China is ahead in electronics (Which will easily catchup), we are ahead in automobile (Though china produces more vehicles) , IT etc. In many area we are ahead but scale is low which will easily go up with time.

In all the three areas you are quite behind China :
1. Space : Your ability to launch satellites is limited to 3-4tonnes, Chinese can launch much bigger satellites.

2. Nuclear : Both in civilian and military nuclear technology India is far behind China. In terms of nuclear weapons China has mastered both fission and fusion based bombs, You had only one test with dubious yields. In civilian nuclear technology, Ypu are still dependent upon foreign help in setting up nuclear power plants while China has been setting up its own nuclear power plants for quite sometime.

3. Defence : China manufactures most of its weapons and weapons platform complete in-house with home grown technology. India lacks many core technologies in house like gas turbine engine, ASEA radars, heavy duty diesel engines for tanks, long range artillary and numerous others.

It is answered ahead. Please read.
 
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