Aurat March 2020: LHC Chief Justice says cannot ban freedom of expression

[Yankee-stani]

JUIF / TLP so on are causing tangible lose to the society/nation/state

These are SOPHISTICATED, WELL THOUGHT and ENGINEERED, casuing NON TANGIBLE lose to the state/nation/society that will go deep in the generations.

I despise most so called Islamists like JUI-F and TLP but this time they get it right here ONCE only

 

[Lincoln]

I guess Pakistan is now gonna be the lab for Globo Homo in South Asia now American Cultural Imperialism at its best no wonder DPRK is the shining hill these days in blocking trash out

I need not say anything. What the other member has said, and the words he has used for women is just another reason for this march to happen. Read.

Come on dude.. All these insanity is inspired by the Well modernized western society.

THERE IS/WAS/WILL BE NO SPACE AT AY SCALE IN OUR SOCIETY WHETHER MUSLIM'S OR INDIAN SUBCONTINENT..

These acts have massive support and funding of dark world web.
As well as elements of our system are well connected to it.

Solution is avaliable but... but... NOT A SINGLE MAN HAVE SPOKEN/ADDRESSED THE ISSUE.
This is a failure of WE MEN as a whole to not put these ANIMALS in their hole deep in dark depths..

 

[Yankee-stani]

I need not say anything. What the other member has said, and the words he has used is just another reason for this march to happen. Read.

I guess Pakistan wants to be part of "slippery slope" of Globo Homo and neo-liberalism

 

[Lincoln]

JUIF / TLP so on are causing tangible lose to the society/nation/state

These are SOPHISTICATED, WELL THOUGHT and ENGINEERED, casuing NON TANGIBLE lose to the state/nation/society that will go deep in the generations.

I love your profile photo. If only you adhered to their principles a bit better; that of free thought, democracy, and rights of all citizens to remain safe and be treated as equals - as Pakistanis.

People are welcome to debate it in a democratic society. The saner voice will be the more popular one. Enough said. There is no non tangible loss. Only evolution of intellect and belief.

“Democracy is in the blood of the Muslims, who look upon complete equality of mankind, and believe in fraternity, equality, and liberty.”
― Muhammad Ali Jinnah

People who say it's threatening our "culture" and will cause non tangible loss don't realize that they push the same excuse and narrative as RSS Hindutva people who say that Muslims of the subcontinent abandoned their culture and caused non tangible loss.

Reality is that culture is not permanent. Toxic elements should be rooted out with time by free thought, debate and evolution of intellect. It is perhaps why Quaid e Azam referred to Democray as the blood of Muslims.

 

[HaMoTZeMaS]

I love your profile photo. If only you adhered to their principles a bit better; that of free thought, democracy, and rights of all citizens to remain safe and be treated as equals - as Pakistanis.

People are welcome to debate it in a democratic society. The saner voice will be the more popular one. Enough said. There is no non tangible loss. Only evolution of intellect and belief.

“Democracy is in the blood of the Muslims, who look upon complete equality of mankind, and believe in fraternity, equality, and liberty.”
― Muhammad Ali Jinnah

Yeah Democracy.. NOT DemocraZy the galmorized one of the current west. period.

What is your definition of free thought?

Even free thoughts must have checks in my opinion. If not then we shall witness more and more of such wilderness by Men WHO PRACTICED FREE THOUGHTS AND GAVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO REFERENCE ALL THEIR INHUMANE ACTS HERE.

 

[Lincoln]

Yeah Democracy.. NOT DemocraZy the galmorized one of the current west. period.

What is your definition of free thought?

Even free thoughts must have checks in my opinion. If not then we shall witness more and more of such wilderness by Men WHO PRACTICED FREE THOUGHTS AND GAVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO REFERENCE ALL THEIR INHUMANE ACTS HERE.

1. There's no point in arguing with someone who is not ready to see things from the perspective of the opposite gender and what they face day to day. They're human beings like you and me, rational people with valid reasons.

I took heed to all that was said in the previous thread and came to agree that there are certain things in the March which are not agreeable.

Have an open mind, and learn to see things from others' perspectives. You're not a philosophical genius, no one is, which is why we have democracy.

2. How sad that you call women as animals that need to be caged. How sad that you threaten that free thought will allow more of these men harrassing for women to report. How sadistic.

If it is a bad thing, you can debate it, that's the thing about free thought and democracy.

 

[Death Professor]

Well it's kind of disingenuous to say that some slogans or playcards shouldn't be considered part of the movement. By that logic, we should let go Kashmiri Muslims who want freedom from India. Lets be real for a second here, no one is suggesting rape is good thing.

The issue is the blatant copy pasta of anything bad and ridiculous that is emerging in the west, be it toxic feminism, LGBT etc. Just yesterday, I read a post about this LHC petition and in that there was picture of girl with a slogan of equal pay. Now tell me are women paid less? Ask Sania Nishtar, Firdoos Ashiq awan, Are they paid less because they were women? People should have asked Benazir Bhutto was she paid less because she was women? Now what kind of retarded bs is this? Ok since we are talking about equality, lets bring them to equal services. Just a outside my house on main road, I see daily labor-ers, do women want to start sitting on the street for daily labor just like they(men) do? Because it was raining yesterday, it was electricity shutdown in my area, I will quote another example for that. Do women want to work as a WAPDA servant who fixes transformers by climbing towers with out any saftey equipment?

In our culture, you don't need any Aurat march. Tell me are these "Aurats" standing up for that little maid girl who got beaten by the wife of Senior Judge? Why cherry pick rape and then make an issue out of nothing. Who is that retarded person who is pro-rape? And what kind of example is this that the lawyer stated that the girl character wasn't good thats why she got raped. People do realize how the justice system works? Lawyer job is to defend his client what do you expect? he should have said that my client raped the girl please your honor let him go? Rape is punishable by death in our judicial system. Now what more these Aurats want? that we should start hanging people just because they were accused of rape?

What kind of BS is this? Our culture, law and religion gives most safety to women on this earth. Now if there is any discrepancy its in the implementation department. And I am always a strong proponent of implementation of law. Be it laws for protection of women, or the ones we made for Muslims, in which it says that Ahmedis need to state that they are Ahmedis in identification documents.

 

[Lincoln]

Well it's kind of disingenuous to say that some slogans or playcards shouldn't be considered part of the movement. By that logic, we should let go Kashmiri Muslims who want freedom from India. Lets be real for a second here, no one is suggesting rape is good thing.

The issue is the blatant copy pasta of anything bad and ridiculous that is emerging in the west, be it toxic feminism, LGBT etc. Just yesterday, I read a post about this LHC petition and in that there was picture of girl with a slogan of equal pay. Now tell me are women paid less? Ask Sania Nishtar, Firdoos Ashiq awan, Are they paid less because they were women? People should have asked Benazir Bhutto was she paid less because she was women? Now what kind of retarded bs is this? Ok since we are talking about equality, lets bring them to equal services. Just a outside my house on main road, I see daily labor-ers, do women want to start sitting on the street for daily labor just like they(men) do? Because it was raining yesterday, it was electricity shutdown in my area, I will quote another example for that. Do women want to work as a WAPDA servant who fixes transformers by climbing towers with out any saftey equipment?

In our culture, you don't need any Aurat march. Tell me are these "Aurats" standing up for that little maid girl who got beaten by the wife of Senior Judge? Why cherry pick rape and then make an issue out of nothing. Who is that retarded person who is pro-rape? And what kind of example is this that the lawyer stated that the girl character wasn't good thats why she got raped. People do realize how the justice system works? Lawyer job is to defend his client what do you expect? he should have said that my client raped the girl please your honor let him go? Rape is punishable by death in our judicial system. Now what more these Aurats want? that we should start hanging people just because they were accused of rape?

What kind of BS is this? Our culture, law and religion gives most safety to women on this earth. Now if there is any discrepancy its in the implementation department. And I am always a strong proponent of implementation of law. Be it laws for protection of women, or the ones we made for Muslims, in which it says that Ahmedis need to state that they are Ahmedis in identification documents.

These women are against all violence against women, even what that maid endured. In all stratas of society.

Lastly, our feelings should not be based on our gut feelings or our personal observations but the mass accounts, and statistics.

According to International Labor Organization, Pakistan is one of the worst faring countries when it comes to gender wage gap.

Well it's kind of disingenuous to say that some slogans or playcards shouldn't be considered part of the movement. By that logic, we should let go Kashmiri Muslims who want freedom from India. Lets be real for a second here, no one is suggesting rape is good thing.

The issue is the blatant copy pasta of anything bad and ridiculous that is emerging in the west, be it toxic feminism, LGBT etc. Just yesterday, I read a post about this LHC petition and in that there was picture of girl with a slogan of equal pay. Now tell me are women paid less? Ask Sania Nishtar, Firdoos Ashiq awan, Are they paid less because they were women? People should have asked Benazir Bhutto was she paid less because she was women? Now what kind of retarded bs is this? Ok since we are talking about equality, lets bring them to equal services. Just a outside my house on main road, I see daily labor-ers, do women want to start sitting on the street for daily labor just like they(men) do? Because it was raining yesterday, it was electricity shutdown in my area, I will quote another example for that. Do women want to work as a WAPDA servant who fixes transformers by climbing towers with out any saftey equipment?

In our culture, you don't need any Aurat march. Tell me are these "Aurats" standing up for that little maid girl who got beaten by the wife of Senior Judge? Why cherry pick rape and then make an issue out of nothing. Who is that retarded person who is pro-rape? And what kind of example is this that the lawyer stated that the girl character wasn't good thats why she got raped. People do realize how the justice system works? Lawyer job is to defend his client what do you expect? he should have said that my client raped the girl please your honor let him go? Rape is punishable by death in our judicial system. Now what more these Aurats want? that we should start hanging people just because they were accused of rape?

What kind of BS is this? Our culture, law and religion gives most safety to women on this earth. Now if there is any discrepancy its in the implementation department. And I am always a strong proponent of implementation of law. Be it laws for protection of women, or the ones we made for Muslims, in which it says that Ahmedis need to state that they are Ahmedis in identification documents.

If our country gave women the highest amount of safety, then there wouldn't be rapes, harrasement, domestic violence, or any such major issues.

Only a day dreamer would say Pakistan is a heaven for women. Pakistan is not close unfortunately. Statistics say so based on many factord.

And so do personal accounts, media, culture and subculture, society norms. Just because many of us were privileged and blessed, and didn't observe such bad stuff doesn't mean it is non existent.

If you get the time, do ask your female friends what they think about this March.

 

[Death Professor]

If our country gave women the highest amount of safety, then there wouldn't be rapes, harrasement, domestic violence, or any such major issues.

Only a day dreamer would say Pakistan is a heaven for women. Pakistan is not close unfortunately. Statistics say so based on many factord.

And so do personal accounts, media, culture and subculture, society norms. Just because many of us were privileged and blessed, and didn't observe such bad stuff doesn't mean it is non existent.

I will quote myself again:

Our culture, law and religion gives most safety to women on this earth. Now if there is any discrepancy its in the implementation department. And I am always a strong proponent of implementation of law. Be it laws for protection of women, or the ones we made for Muslims, in which it says that Ahmedis need to state that they are Ahmedis in identification documents.

Stats often lie, do tell me is there any Pakistani law that is specifically against women? Is there a law stopping them from driving? where in some countries they do. Do tell me where is wage disparity, in which department? If a man works 40 hours doing the same job as women who works 30 hours, should he be paid more? As I gave you examples before, do you want women to be sitting on street looking for daily labor? Do you want them in Wapda department, climbing up trees fixing shit with out proper equipment? Do you want them as first responder of Rescue 1122, carrying an emergency case weighing 150kilos?

We have to consider this thing holistically, not just based on pure stats. Stats don't always give the complete picture. You think majority of our population is from upper middle class? 40% of our population is in multi-dimentional poverty, in which a man works his *** off, listening to bs of his bosses, fellow-workers and then at home he has to listen to the chik-chik, tension about electricity bills, gas bills, rent etc. And yes I need to listen to the working women in high positions about women rights in Pakistan, because they surely know more living a posh life.

 

[HaMoTZeMaS]

Well it's kind of disingenuous to say that some slogans or playcards shouldn't be considered part of the movement. By that logic, we should let go Kashmiri Muslims who want freedom from India. Lets be real for a second here, no one is suggesting rape is good thing.

The issue is the blatant copy pasta of anything bad and ridiculous that is emerging in the west, be it toxic feminism, LGBT etc. Just yesterday, I read a post about this LHC petition and in that there was picture of girl with a slogan of equal pay. Now tell me are women paid less? Ask Sania Nishtar, Firdoos Ashiq awan, Are they paid less because they were women? People should have asked Benazir Bhutto was she paid less because she was women? Now what kind of retarded bs is this? Ok since we are talking about equality, lets bring them to equal services. Just a outside my house on main road, I see daily labor-ers, do women want to start sitting on the street for daily labor just like they(men) do? Because it was raining yesterday, it was electricity shutdown in my area, I will quote another example for that. Do women want to work as a WAPDA servant who fixes transformers by climbing towers with out any saftey equipment?

In our culture, you don't need any Aurat march. Tell me are these "Aurats" standing up for that little maid girl who got beaten by the wife of Senior Judge? Why cherry pick rape and then make an issue out of nothing. Who is that retarded person who is pro-rape? And what kind of example is this that the lawyer stated that the girl character wasn't good thats why she got raped. People do realize how the justice system works? Lawyer job is to defend his client what do you expect? he should have said that my client raped the girl please your honor let him go? Rape is punishable by death in our judicial system. Now what more these Aurats want? that we should start hanging people just because they were accused of rape?

What kind of BS is this? Our culture, law and religion gives most safety to women on this earth. Now if there is any discrepancy its in the implementation department. And I am always a strong proponent of implementation of law. Be it laws for protection of women, or the ones we made for Muslims, in which it says that Ahmedis need to state that they are Ahmedis in identification documents.

Sometimes i am forced to realize that Abu Jahals EXIST in all times.. No need to get them convinced

 

[Lincoln]

I will quote myself again:

Our culture, law and religion gives most safety to women on this earth. Now if there is any discrepancy its in the implementation department. And I am always a strong proponent of implementation of law. Be it laws for protection of women, or the ones we made for Muslims, in which it says that Ahmedis need to state that they are Ahmedis in identification documents.

Stats often lie, do tell me is there any Pakistani law that is specifically against women? Is there a law stopping them from driving? where in some countries they do. Do tell me where is wage disparity, in which department? If a man works 40 hours doing the same job as women who works 30 hours, should he be paid more? As I gave you examples before, do you want women to be sitting on street looking for daily labor? Do you want them in Wapda department, climbing up trees fixing shit with out proper equipment? Do you want them as first responder of Rescue 1122, carrying an emergency case weighing 150kilos?

We have to consider this thing holistically, not just based on pure stats. Stats don't always give the complete picture. You think majority of our population is from upper middle class? 40% of our population is in multi-dimentional poverty, in which a man works his *** off, listening to bs of his bosses, fellow-workers and then at home he has to listen to the chik-chik, tension about electricity bills, gas bills, rent etc. And yes I need to listen to the working women in high positions about women rights in Pakistan, because they surely know more living a posh life.

Implementation is indeed the most crucial part. But what about culture, norms.

Norms and cultural codes are considered as the unwritten laws. These need to change as well, do they not?

For example. I have seen many times in rape cases, and kidnap cases. People saying that the girls were probably dressed provocatively, weren't covered head to toe, that it was good because this was the freedom they wanted.

I mean. You cannot possibly deny that many cultural and social issues exist for women, don't they?

 

[AZ1]

So called liberals who enjoy seeing women holding dirty posters and words will definetly happy and enjoying.

 

[Lincoln]

I will quote myself again:

Our culture, law and religion gives most safety to women on this earth. Now if there is any discrepancy its in the implementation department. And I am always a strong proponent of implementation of law. Be it laws for protection of women, or the ones we made for Muslims, in which it says that Ahmedis need to state that they are Ahmedis in identification documents.

Stats often lie, do tell me is there any Pakistani law that is specifically against women? Is there a law stopping them from driving? where in some countries they do. Do tell me where is wage disparity, in which department? If a man works 40 hours doing the same job as women who works 30 hours, should he be paid more? As I gave you examples before, do you want women to be sitting on street looking for daily labor? Do you want them in Wapda department, climbing up trees fixing shit with out proper equipment? Do you want them as first responder of Rescue 1122, carrying an emergency case weighing 150kilos?

We have to consider this thing holistically, not just based on pure stats. Stats don't always give the complete picture. You think majority of our population is from upper middle class? 40% of our population is in multi-dimentional poverty, in which a man works his *** off, listening to bs of his bosses, fellow-workers and then at home he has to listen to the chik-chik, tension about electricity bills, gas bills, rent etc. And yes I need to listen to the working women in high positions about women rights in Pakistan, because they surely know more living a posh life.

What about harrassement. I can't believe your blatant generalization. Spew all your troubles and frustration against women, as much as you want. I have made my case.

Have a nice day.

 

[HaMoTZeMaS]

These women are against all violence against women, even what that maid endured. In all stratas of society.

Lastly, our feelings should not be based on our gut feelings or our personal observations but the mass accounts, and statistics.

According to International Labor Organization, Pakistan is one of the worst faring countries when it comes to gender wage gap.



If our country gave women the highest amount of safety, then there wouldn't be rapes, harrasement, domestic violence, or any such major issues.

Only a day dreamer would say Pakistan is a heaven for women. Pakistan is not close unfortunately. Statistics say so based on many factord.

And so do personal accounts, media, culture and subculture, society norms. Just because many of us were privileged and blessed, and didn't observe such bad stuff doesn't mean it is non existent.

If you get the time, do ask your female friends what they think about this March.

I will quote myself again:

Our culture, law and religion gives most safety to women on this earth. Now if there is any discrepancy its in the implementation department. And I am always a strong proponent of implementation of law. Be it laws for protection of women, or the ones we made for Muslims, in which it says that Ahmedis need to state that they are Ahmedis in identification documents.

Stats often lie, do tell me is there any Pakistani law that is specifically against women? Is there a law stopping them from driving? where in some countries they do. Do tell me where is wage disparity, in which department? If a man works 40 hours doing the same job as women who works 30 hours, should he be paid more? As I gave you examples before, do you want women to be sitting on street looking for daily labor? Do you want them in Wapda department, climbing up trees fixing shit with out proper equipment? Do you want them as first responder of Rescue 1122, carrying an emergency case weighing 150kilos?

We have to consider this thing holistically, not just based on pure stats. Stats don't always give the complete picture. You think majority of our population is from upper middle class? 40% of our population is in multi-dimentional poverty, in which a man works his *** off, listening to bs of his bosses, fellow-workers and then at home he has to listen to the chik-chik, tension about electricity bills, gas bills, rent etc. And yes I need to listen to the working women in high positions about women rights in Pakistan, because they surely know more living a posh life.

As of my knowledge, Islam is all about Equity, so does our system should be.
There is no Equality no comparison whatsoever between Man and Woman.

Both have their limited role in each aspect of life at a certain time. If you equate them you are basically going againt the nature itself. Donot try to put both of them in same shoe

 

[Lincoln]

So called liberals who enjoy seeing women holding dirty posters and words will definetly happy and enjoying.

You conservatives people are the only ones who notice these posters. To you, they're like sex objects who if they don't observe pardah, then their harrassment is justifiable.

I need not argue with people who can't come up with counter arguments, only hate. This is a social topic and very much debatable.

Like I said, ask your female friends how they feel about this march, maybe they will be able to give you a better insight. You need to be able to listen.

As of my knowledge, Islam is all about Equity, so does our system should be.
There is no Equality no comparison whatsoever between Man and Woman.

Both have their limited role in each aspect of life at a certain time. If you equate them you are basically going againt the nature itself. Donot try to put both of them in same shoe

Quaid e Azam said that they're to equal citizens, and should be side by side with men in all matters of society and the fuctioning of nation. I consider that enough.

I request you to go deeper into the argument. Don't stop short of Islam, tell me the specifics you're referring to because everyone has a different idea of what rights Islam gives. So instead of saying Islam gives equality and appropriate rights, tell them specifically, and will be happy to judge and debate.

Qasoor apka nahi, Qasoor to paida karnay wala ka ha

Not a single counter argument by people here. Only abuses, name calling, and a release of their built up life frustrations.

@waz @Dubious