Attempted IAF incursion - A Failed operation

[Hellfire]

Such gaps exist on both sides, please keep in mind.

It is not of gaps, it is the information of gaps .... that I aver to. That is more important.

 

[VCheng]

It is not of gaps, it is the information of gaps .... that I aver to. That is more important.

Fair point. But I will not go any further than that here.

 

[his5850]

It is not of gaps, it is the information of gaps .... that I aver to. That is more important.

you know so much about air force tell me how much time it take to cover 70 to 80 km with 1700km ??

 

[Rank]

What do we hit? Do the same thing as the IAF and drop some bombs in uninhabited areas?

yes u should do the same to give a msg that its not a big deal to violate enter fuel miles and drop shits this msg for endians on the othrr side counter the local audience jo ma pen eek karahe hey pakistan army ki

 

[Hellfire]

@Joe Shearer @Sam. @Nilgiri
Absolutely no similarities Vibrio. The US operation was far more involved and risky. US forces flew from Afghanistan across Pakistan in choppers, deployed troops, neutralized target and left without being detected.

The Indian approach was detected on radar, PAF fighters scrambled (Balakot is approx 42.2KM from the LoC, so a minute or 2 max for IAF to be within range), IAF drops bombs on what appears to have been empty forest and area and retreats when challenged by PAF. Everything done in 3/4 minutes.

You missed the point by roughly a thousand miles.

It is, like I mentioned to @VCheng , not about gaps - but the information of 'gaps' being readily available.

For bold.

Yes, yes. Absolutely. Rather remarkably Indian Army and Air Force has been found to be shooting trees, herbs, shrubs and then civilians and cattle.

But inexplicably PA and PAF was found wanting when there was a continuous BARCAP/CAP being flown and claims made about the prowess of the forces on this very forum. So, ineptitude on whose side?

A flight of 12 Mirages, with AWACS, is a large target. And 4 mins also, is a long time.

Anyways, let us see what transpires next. Popcorn time I guess.

You are smoking some really heavy stuff to make such a bogus comparison. I don't even know whether we should believe the OBL drama, but for the sake of discussion let's suppose it is true. There is a day and night difference between a hit and run operation which lasts a few minutes at most and one where you have to actually land and carry our at an operation for almost an hour.

India is nowhere near daddy America. Try landing here and getting out alive.

Am posting here. Right?

@Joe Shearer I love these fanboys.

You don't see me talking here as Pakistan claims we did nothing and only to appease Indian public hence no counter action.
Whom do you think provided the US Intel for that raid ?

My post of a long time back. Early days here.

 

[VCheng]

You missed the point by roughly a thousand miles.

It is, like I mentioned to @VCheng , not about gaps - but the information of 'gaps' being readily available.

For bold.

Yes, yes. Absolutely. Rather remarkably Indian Army and Air Force has been found to be shooting trees, herbs, shrubs and then civilians and cattle.

But inexplicably PA and PAF was found wanting when there was a continuous BARCAP/CAP being flown and claims made about the prowess of the forces on this very forum. So, ineptitude on whose side?

A flight of 12 Mirages, with AWACS, is a large target. And 4 mins also, is a long time.

Anyways, let us see what transpires next. Popcorn time I guess.




Am posting here. Right?

@Joe Shearer I love these fanboys.

It will all calm down, with claims of success and outrage on both sides. Rinse, repeat.

 

[his5850]

You missed the point by roughly a thousand miles.

It is, like I mentioned to @VCheng , not about gaps - but the information of 'gaps' being readily available.

For bold.

Yes, yes. Absolutely. Rather remarkably Indian Army and Air Force has been found to be shooting trees, herbs, shrubs and then civilians and cattle.

But inexplicably PA and PAF was found wanting when there was a continuous BARCAP/CAP being flown and claims made about the prowess of the forces on this very forum. So, ineptitude on whose side?

A flight of 12 Mirages, with AWACS, is a large target. And 4 mins also, is a long time.

Anyways, let us see what transpires next. Popcorn time I guess.




Am posting here. Right?

@Joe Shearer I love these fanboys.




My post of a long time back. Early days here.

you didn't answer the question

you know so much about air force tell me how much time it take to cover 70 to 80 km with 1700km ??

 

[Hellfire]

Fair point. But I will not go any further than that here.

Neither I.

I popped in because I had posted of a UAV type stand off strike allowing Pakistan to deny and thereby allowing the whole issue to be dealt with.

The use of air crafts has changed that too. Anyways, now running busy.

 

[Patriots]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1100275046973624320

 

[Hellfire]

So IAF planes can come inside Pakistan whenever they want and untill they fire on military installations PAF and Army will not shoot down IAF???

Apparently that is what you must ask of PAF and PA. I doubt he shall be able to answer that one.

Hi,

For someone like you who is the age of my grand kids---I wipe my behind after I take a dump---.

Why do you even bother teaching the mass here, who prefer to remain ignorant?

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Apparently that is what you must ask of PAF and PA. I doubt he shall be able to answer that one.

Yeah right

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Oh bhai, an attack on a government center or a city, would have been an outright act of war by India. Attacks on civilian centers and government are extremely unlikely. What the PA was expecting was an escalation by India with an attack on the military (they would argue that the PA camp was actually training militants, PA is supporting militants blah blah). His response was referring to the military planning for that contingency.

so the place where iaf dropped bombes "Where not Pakistan" or is that place not worthy to defend ??? I am not talking about place , and that member too not talking about place …… I simply asking why our airdefence did not react …… Why our AA guns did not fire ???????
But I got answer they will only react if attack is on military installation ……….. Ironic!!!!!!!! istNT it

 

[his5850]

That much time in needed to cover that much distance for God sake people use you head

 

[his5850]

The usual time for an aircraft to scramble in modern wartime would be 15 to 25 minutes. This is from normally maintained readiness, for a typical post-cold-war conflict. This figure came from a flight line ops Lt.Col (not a pilot, the guy responsible for getting planes ready to fly), unofficial, but it aligns well with other information.

Newer aircraft are not much faster to start, since the steps are the same, and pilots know them; automation just simplifies it. There's still more to it than just one switch. The Chegg answer (hardly a place for such info) that seems to have been quoted in the question is not correct.

Engine ground running can be appropriate when an attack or a major war is expected. Running aircraft can't be refueled, the pilot can't leave the cockpit, and parts run up the hours, so very few planes can be kept in such a condition. Given how few F-22 exist at all, the US could realistically maintain 2-4 flights at such a readiness level.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

so the place where iaf dropped bombes "Where not Pakistan" or is that place not worthy to defend ??? I am not talking about place , and that member too not talking about place …… I simply asking why our airdefence did not react …… Why our AA guns did not fire ???????
But I got answer they will only react if attack is on military installation ……….. Ironic!!!!!!!! istNT it

We don't have AA guns or SAM systems capable of intercepting these kinds of incursions everywhere in Pakistan. The best response Pakistan has is PAF at the moment. Had there been an attack on a military installation, the damage would have been reported back almost instantly, and the PAF would have responded. In this case, since the bombs were dropped into an empty space, no reports of damage, or even that bombs had been dropped, were available instantly, and by the time the PAF was in engagement range, the IAF was already back (2-4 minutes).

Had the IAF hit civilian, government or military installations, the PAF would have responded one way or another.

When our shells fall then soldiers becomes civilians,
Now they become trees, so they have updated their firewall it seems.

All the evidence, even international new agencies, point to the only damage being 'trees' and an 'empty mountainside'. Apparently your earlier comment regarding refraining from commenting given the lack of any evidence of the IAF actually hitting a 'training camp' does not prevent you from trolling.

It is, like I mentioned to @VCheng , not about gaps - but the information of 'gaps' being readily available.

That works both ways. Gaps identified by the aggressor are also gaps acknowledged and addressed by the defender.