Attack on PAF Base Minhas

[Safriz]

a few of bullets might have penetrated in IL-78,

The terrorists entered the premises from the rear boundary wall,and the IL-78 was parked in plain sight there....It was broadcaster live on news channels....about 1.5 Kilometers inside of the boundary wall.
They could have fired a few RPGs on IL-78 and destroyed it but either they couldn't or didn't...
This shows the target specific nature of this terrorist operation..They were after a certain target..It was a surgical strike,not a yaboo from wiziristan attack...
The damage to IL-78 must have been sustained during the gun fight and wasn't targeted by attackers....

It is worth mentioning that IL-78 was a big fat easy target right in front of the terrorists entry point...why in the world they wont destroy it?

Because they didn't want to consume time and resources on a target they weren't assigned....

AWACS are badly damaged but not fully destroyed......rest is fine

and what invisible voices told you that?

 

[Awesome]

AWACS are badly damaged but not fully destroyed......rest is fine

No, AWACS, didn't receive any damage. Overall no equipment (from the narrative IL-78 would need some paint job only) was damaged however an irreplaceable life was lost!

 

[Safriz]

they can make good advanced weapons, but question is where they get high level training?

correction..
they can make advanced mechanical weapons...cant do monkeys about electronics...
and night vision goggles are all electronics and optical about which darra knows not..

 

[S.M.R]

better question is there is a mole in our security who is selling out our security secrets blaming taliban is not the solution

These types of people are there in every army. Like ISI knows better than an ordinary indian army officer about their strategic assets. Spying is world phenomenon. But these type of weapons / equipments are not easily available for potential terrortists.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Terrorist were very close to main targets. They damaged a aircraft directly or indirectly, How weapons entered there.
They were only 9 terrorist, if they could 20 - 25 terrorist, then you can imagine............
There are still laps in security....

 

[W.11]

and where they get night vision and training to use them as happened in mehran base?

the training to hit the target with expert gun use?

 

[Awesome]

It is worth mentioning that IL-78 was a big fat easy target right in front of the terrorists entry point...why in the world they wont destroy it?

Let's just pray all our enemies are dumbasses like the terrorists. JF-17s can be replaced easily as they are homegrown, IL-78 are our prized possessions.

 

[karan.1970]

The terrorists entered the premises from the rear boundary wall,and the IL-78 was parked in plain sight there....It was broadcaster live on news channels....about 1.5 Kilometers inside of the boundary wall.
They could have fired a few RPGs on IL-78 and destroyed it but either they couldn't or didn't...
This shows the target specific nature of this terrorist operation..They were after a certain target..It was a surgical strike,not a yaboo from wiziristan attack...
The damage to IL-78 must have been sustained during the gun fight and wasn't targeted by attackers....

It is worth mentioning that IL-78 was a big fat easy target right in front of the terrorists entry point...why in the world they wont destroy it?

Because they didn't want to consume time and resources on a target they weren't assigned....

All your conjectures hold true for an assumption of this being a false flag operation by ISI to justify its impending NW operation to the local population..

Just like you are painting a scenario of a foreign ( with an added focus on India) hand using these conjectures, I can paint a false flag operation scenario with the same ones.. The IL 76 was not destroyed because they were told to not destroy any major equipment since this engagement was supposed to be just a smoke screen to fool the local population and ISI did not want any major loss to the PAF.

See, how easy it is to stitch together a bunch of conjectures and come up with a fairy tale of your choice

 

[S.M.R]

correction..
they can make advanced mechanical weapons...cant do monkeys about electronics...
and night vision goggles are all electronics and optical about which darra knows not..

Night vision goggles are available in darra?? Never saw there.

 

[laiqs@mi]

sigh of relief after knowing that All is well. Alhamdolillah
May ALLAH help us in these difficult days. and death to takferis and there supporter.

 

[Safriz]

These types of people are there in every army. Like ISI knows better than an ordinary indian army officer about their strategic assets. Spying is world phenomenon. But these type of weapons / equipments are not easily available for potential terrortists.

I wont say that a mole was there...
Intelligence was intercepted of the attack at least 4 months ago,because 4 months ago the locals noticed heightened security around the Air base and many people who could freely go in and out of the premises were barred 4 months ago..

But at the same time it can be said with much surety that the terrorists were in the area outside the base for some months as their intelligence was also very precise...

They conducted a precision attack..but like wise the retaliation by SSG was very accurate and they were dealt with almost at their entry point.
The last terrorist was found and killed at around 7 am PST hidden in the trees not far from their entry point that was the rear boundary wall...and IL-78 was parked all the time in his plane sight..Yet he made no attempt to destroy it.

Night vision goggles are available in darra?? Never saw there.

You either didn't read my comment or didn't understand...
Read again

All your conjectures hold true for an assumption of this being a false flag operation by ISI to justify its impending NW operation to the local population..

Just like you are painting a scenario of a foreign ( with an added focus on India) hand using these conjectures, I can paint a false flag operation scenario with the same ones.. The IL 76 was not destroyed because they were told to not destroy any major equipment since this engagement was supposed to be just a smoke screen to fool the local population and ISI did not want any major loss to the PAF.

See, how easy it is to stitch together a bunch of conjectures and come up with a fairy tale of your choice

Read this..

No operation in North Waziristan, says Core Commander ,8/16/2012 10:46:25 PM

 

[S.M.R]

All your conjectures hold true for an assumption of this being a false flag operation by ISI to justify its impending NW operation to the local population..

Just like you are painting a scenario of a foreign ( with an added focus on India) hand using these conjectures, I can paint a false flag operation scenario with the same ones.. The IL 76 was not destroyed because they were told to not destroy any major equipment since this engagement was supposed to be just a smoke screen to fool the local population and ISI did not want any major loss to the PAF.

See, how easy it is to stitch together a bunch of conjectures and come up with a fairy tale of your choice

Do you really think that PA needs to justify its own people for ANY operation in NW. Further, were there any false flag operations before op rah e rast and nijaat.

The first rule of investigation: who is the beneficiary of such kind of loss.

 

[karan.1970]

Read this..

No operation in North Waziristan, says Core Commander ,8/16/2012 10:46:25 PM

Thats the idea..Go thru this thread and see how many pakistani members are advocating a NW operation now.. That's exactly what PA/ISI would want in the scenario painted by me.. They themselves would not go for the operation but the citizens would demand that they do...

 

[BATMAN]

Let me rest assure you all the Pakistan's nukes are not only safe but even the defence officials don't know about their exact location. Only officers with very high level of security clearance are allowed in and out of the establishments.

But that doesn't matter, people who claim our nukes are not guarded well, I want to ask you a simple question. Leave US and other countries alone, just take the terrorists groups within Pakistan. If the nukes are really not properly guarded then until now the terrorirsts would have had their hands on them.

And just so some noobs in this forum know, nuke is not assembled in one place and nukes are only empty rocket casings, the actual nuclear payload is assembled at the time of attack and they are assembled at such rapid speeds and in so much secrecy that no one can get to them in the right time.

Nuclear bombs are out of the question. US or any other country can't get their hands on them. Trust me on this. And if one day (may Allah forgive) we find out that US or some other country got their hands on PAK nukes then it would be a corruption case at a very high level, most probably on a presedential level.

Guys don't take Pakistan Defence Services so lightly, we don't like to boast about our achievements and strengths but we are more than capable of handling almost any country in the world.

I would also like to add, Abdul Kadeer Khan invested in Nuclear Technology in the time of corruption, sanctions and terrorists lurking around and he succeeded in delivering such a large achievement within a nation who is financially in debt. Then just imagine if Pakistan is given good amount of resources and corruption is removed for at least 10 years, we can do miracles by the help of Allah.

I'm not going to arguing with you and i agree Pak army is a serious fighting machine but but allow me to say you failed to chalk out a safe security perimeter around your icons.

I do not know how it feels to be professional security guy, but allow me to build a security perimeter, only with instruments and dogs, i challenge best of Pakistan soldier will not be able to step across, where i draw line.
Here we are talking about few perpetrators!
I'm sorry sir, i have the feeling since Musharraf left we lost the far sight and we are merely limited to a fighting machine.
It is absolutely not necessary to wait for Zardari's order.
You lost the morale what you had after Salala attack, a well-known political hijacker has once again successfully hijacked the popular sentiments.
I can bet Pasha would have never shook hand and smiled at some sorry statement.
Have you realized 'cold start' is warming up and it will warm FURTHER MORE.
Draw them out.. don't let them draw you out.
Surround them don't let them surround you.

 

[S.M.R]

You either didn't read my comment or didn't understand...
Read again

i read your reply, actually i was pointing to the poster who said everything is available in darra. You quoted his post and i wrongly quoted yours.