Attack Helicopter Match-Ups: India vs. Pakistan

[ramu]

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Look at the course of this thread. I brought up the issue that indians are lying about "indigenous" developed dhruv because it is not "indigenous" other then foreigner R&D sold to India with a hindu name tag to give blind sheeps indians a illusion that they have developed this product..


Here is a list of Foreigner Input in ALH

Belgium
- rocket launchers

France
-Engines (licensed production and technology transfer)
- 20mm gun
- rockets from European missile manufacturer MBDA.

Germany
-Involved in the original development.
-India was the first nation with which Eurocopter signed a licence agreement for technology transfer.
- complete assemblies for flight/engine controls.

Italy
- brake system
Sweden/South Africa
-self-protection equipment for installation on the ALH for the Indian Armed Forces.

UK
- Hydraulic Package
- floatation equipment
-self-sealing fuel tank systems
- internal gearbox
- gaskets and seals
- fuel tanks

US/Isreal
-MFD
- Mission Computers
- active vibration control system
-elastomeric bearings
- Avionics

Ya now i believe it. PAK-FA is indeed using indian "indigenous" systems.

bunch of pathological lair indians satisfying their ego with HAL DRDO false claims.

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Considering that you have clearly no idea how a product is built, let us explain how a product is built in today's world.

If I am building a machine tool, I wont start making Servo motors, ball screws or bearings.

A company or for that matter a country that produces anything will look for a partners to source components with a competitive edge over other avenues. A make or buy decision is based solely on feasibility and economic considerations.


The above is a vertical machining centre from Mazak. The machine tool consists of specialised components one of them being the controller.

Siemens, Fanuq, etc are the leading controllers available in the market. Based on requirement, Mazak machines use various controllers.

It is foolish for the machine tool manufacturer to think that every component can be designed and manufactured by companies in his own country let alone his own firm.

Many of the parts of Boeing dream liner is sourced from a company in India. That does not imply the ownership and credit DOES NOT GO TO Boeing. Boeing is just sourcing its parts from the best place it thinks it can get a competitive advantage.



HOPE YOU UNDERSTOOD. IF YOU CONTINUE YOUR SENSELESS POSTS, CONSIDER THIS AS MY LAST REPLY.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Dhruv means Pole Star in sanskrit, nothing to do with Hinduism, but you showed whats being preached to u, Iam not surprised...

The legend of Dhruv ध्रुव is a Hindu story in the Bhagavata Purana and the Vishnu Purana. The story of Dhruv helps illustrate fundamental religious beliefs through the triumph of a 5-year old, in the spiritual field. It is written that those who read or listen to the story of Dhruv will achieve devotion and their sorrows will be destroyed.

you are dodging your own religion.

 

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The legend of Dhruv ध्रुव is a Hindu story in the Bhagavata Purana and the Vishnu Purana. The story of Dhruv helps illustrate fundamental religious beliefs through the triumph of a 5-year old, in the spiritual field. It is written that those who read or listen to the story of Dhruv will achieve devotion and their sorrows will be destroyed.

you are dodging your own religion.

BTW , did we name the helicopter DHRUV or DHRUVA????
There is a Lot of Difference between Dhruv and Dhruva buddy.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

****** [Deleted]

Considering that you have clearly no idea how a product is built, let us explain how a product is built in today's world.

If I am building a machine tool, I wont start making Servo motors, ball screws or bearings.

A company or for that matter a country that produces anything will look for a partners to source components with a competitive edge over other avenues. A make or buy decision is based solely on feasibility and economic considerations.

Many of the parts of Boeing dream liner is sourced from a company in India. That does not imply the ownership and credit to Boeing.


The above is a vertical machining centre from Mazak. The machine tool consists of specialised components one of them being the controller.

Siemens, Fanuq, etc are the leading controllers available in the market. Based on requirement, Mazak machines use various controllers.

It is foolish for the machine tool manufacturer to think that every component can be designed and manufactured by companies in his own country let alone his own firm.

HOPE YOU UNDERSTOOD. IF YOU CONTINUE YOUR SENSELESS POSTS, CONSIDER THIS AS MY LAST REPLY.

Already been answered before. You indians are being desperate to save your face with ridiculous analogies. Dhruv has 99% of foreigner systems technology given under R&D TOT.

Like i said before. Even Pakistan was given order to produce Boeing parts because they were cheaper to use as spare parts. Same is the case with india. However the "TECHNOLOGY" still remains AMERICAN! not pakistani or indian. Just like latest electronics. They may be all 100% built or assembled in China but the technology still remains Japanese American or european etc.

Now stop embarrassing yourself guys. admit it. that Dhruv is not a Indian R&D at all. but once a deluded pathological lair always remains one like indians.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

BTW , did we name the helicopter DHRUV or DHRUVA????
There is a Lot of Difference between Dhruv and Dhruva buddy.

buddy you need to read the stories of Dhruv.

 

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buddy you need to read the stories of Dhruv.

Buddy, let me tell you, a language as old as Sanskrit has given Dhruv Name for what we today call pole staar, just because it resembles Hindu mythology dosent mean you criticize it..... It says that Dhruva was given a boon to shine like a star, and hence the birth of pole star... But what is pole star called "DHRUV" All our weapons have sanskrit names.. So what problem do u have in us choosing sanskrit names, pakistan has Hindus, sikhs, but why do u always choose Muslim names?? Atleast we are neutral

 

[ramu]

Already been answered before. You indians are being desperate to save your face with ridiculous analogies. Dhruv has 99% of foreigner systems technology given under R&D TOT.

Like i said before. Even Pakistan was given order to produce Boeing parts because they were cheaper to use as spare parts. Same is the case with india. However the "TECHNOLOGY" still remains AMERICAN! not pakistani or indian. Just like latest electronics. They may be all 100% built or assembled in China but the technology still remains Japanese American or european etc.

Now stop embarrassing yourself guys. admit it. that Dhruv is not a Indian R&D at all. but once a deluded pathological lair always remains one like indians.

Your bird brain will never understand.

I am closely associated with HAL, did my course projects in HAL and know people who have actually designed Dhruv. My father has spent 34 years of his life in HAL. I know more about this project that you can dream off.

You are a typical fan boy who thinks everything you hear about India from your biased sources is true.

Now

 

[IceCold]

Man, no need to reply to such posts. Just report them.

To understand his outburst, you have to step into his shoes and feel the inferiority complex and insecurities. He ignored my post and went on his copy and paste rant. The way India is growing is causing immense pain and jealously to haters. Our motto is to remain calm and develop our nation, more faster than ever before. And that will be your revenge.

Just ignore the bait and refuse to go down to his level.

I just did not wanted to enter into this thread because its already derailed enough but your comment made me do it, can you elaborate on these insecurites and inferiority complex that we Pakistanis possess?

Everytime there is a talk about JF-17 you guys are the first ones to jump in and ruin almost every thread whether its about issuing an MRCA type contract, or Pakistans input on the JF-17 we see Indians telling us where is the money and the infrastructure to handle such. heck you guys even cant stop from poking your noses into systems which India never had in the 1st place such as making comparisions between the JF-17 and F-16 and telling us how inferior JF-17 is to F-16 to satisfy some hollow egos.
Seriously before calling us insecure and inferior, how about have a look in the mirror, maybe you realize who has this inferiority complex more. I have seen you Indians bashing Pakistan on Indian forums, the difference between you guys and us is every evident from the fact that you guys are allowed to run your mouth as you wish on a Pakistani forum, are we given the same privilege on any Indian forum?

And one more thing no Pakistani ever called JF-17 to be indigenous unlike you Indians calling every thing indigenous rightly pointed out by Growler, we always call it a joint venture between two countries.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Your bird brain will never understand.

I am closely associated with HAL, did my course projects in HAL and know people who have actually designed Dhruv. My father has spent 34 years of his life in HAL. I know more about this project that you can dream off.

You are a typical fan boy who thinks everything you hear about India from your biased sources is true.

Now

You are being a pathological lair. please stop being one. HAL did not design Dhruv, its a German design all the way while some testings in labs etc were done in india. Almost all the major components are exported under R&D TOT and some are either imported directly and integrated in the chopper or assembled in India with a Indian name tag to give deluded indians an illusion that the chopper is made in India.
Just because you saw a Dhruv model in a wind tunnel does not mean it was designed by india.

remeber another thing. Without West support HAL and DRDO is nothing but a shubzi mehndhi.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

t you guys are allowed to run your mouth as you wish on a Pakistani forum, are we given the same privilege on any Indian forum?

Exactly. And these indians think we have inferiority complex. Us pakistanis are not even allowed to post anything that is good for pakistan other wise they will call you names and insult your religion.

 

[Donatello]

Your bird brain will never understand.

I am closely associated with HAL, did my course projects in HAL and know people who have actually designed Dhruv. My father has spent 34 years of his life in HAL. I know more about this project that you can dream off.

You are a typical fan boy who thinks everything you hear about India from your biased sources is true.

Now

I am sure you are an equal fanboy,

Your father worked for 34 years? Then maybe he can/you can provide us with source and credible information on why the LCA has been so delayed.......and continues to be.

 

[deesu]

You are being a pathological lair. please stop being one. HAL did not design Dhruv, its a German design all the way while some testings in labs etc were done in india. Almost all the major components are exported under R&D TOT and some are either imported directly and integrated in the chopper or assembled in India with a Indian name tag to give deluded indians an illusion that the chopper is made in India.
Just because you saw a Dhruv model in a wind tunnel does not mean it was designed by india.

remeber another thing. Without West support HAL and DRDO is nothing but a shubzi mehndhi.

thanks for your valuable information.... you opened my eyes...

 

[gogbot]

You are being a pathological lair. please stop being one. HAL did not design Dhruv, its a German design all the way while some testings in labs etc were done in india. Almost all the major components are exported under R&D TOT and some are either imported directly and integrated in the chopper or assembled in India with a Indian name tag to give deluded indians an illusion that the chopper is made in India.
Just because you saw a Dhruv model in a wind tunnel does not mean it was designed by india.

remeber another thing. Without West support HAL and DRDO is nothing but a shubzi mehndhi.

lol

What else , you must have the inside scoop on everything.

You were the self proclaimed expert on the PAk-fa
Now the HAL-Dhurv

what's next.

And seriously how can you accuse so many of being a pathological liar.(self denial perhaps.)

So if i understand correctly, anyone who contradicts the world according to you, is Pathological liar, all else are truth seekers such as you self. Am i right ?

 

[Join]

I am sure you are an equal fanboy,

Your father worked for 34 years? Then maybe he can/you can provide us with source and credible information on why the LCA has been so delayed.......and continues to be.

It isnt easy for any country to jump 2 gen ahead..... We had a second gen aircraft marut, then LCA which is meant to be 4+ gen aircraft... Now let me give u a small example, France as we all know Is a well experienced producer of aircrafts, but what took them 25+ years to develop Dassault Rafale and make it fully operational?

 

[Myth_buster_1]

lol

What else , you must have the inside scoop on everything.

You were the self proclaimed expert on the PAk-fa
Now the HAL-Dhurv

what's next.

And seriously how can you accuse so many of being a pathological liar.(self denial perhaps.)

So if i understand correctly, anyone who contradicts the world according to you, is Pathological liar, all else are truth seekers such as you self. Am i right ?

Again you indians are having hard not just hard but very very hard time excepting the reality that hurts your ego. I have already given you the list of foreigner input in HAL Dhruv which means india hardly had 5% input in the entire project indigenous product. The technology is all the way 100% not indian.