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At least 10 dead in Paris shooting

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Zionist policies and massacres of Palestinians -
You're in la-la-land. You are intelligent and informed enough to know the falsity of these assertions. Shame!

...One of the terrorists was also jailed previously. Seems like the intelligence service was partially at fault. Those 4 terrorists seemed like ticking time bombs.
Not at all. It's just that seeking to kill Americans in Iraq (Iraq was liberated from Saddam over France's opposition) and Zionists everywhere isn't seen by the French as much of a crime.
 
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RIP all my fallen Judeo-Christian brothers & sisters.
To the dead peaceful ones: Jahannam is waiting for you.
 
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You're in la-la-land. You are intelligent and informed enough to know the falsity of these assertions. Shame!

Not at all. It's just that seeking to kill Americans and Zionists isn't seen by the French as much of a crime.

The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the Mother of all Conflicts and the Jihadists use this conflict as their raison d'être. Denying that is simply looking away. This is why Jews were specifically targeted and not for instance Sikhs or Hindus.

Zionist crimes in Palestine add fuel to the agenda of the Jihadists. Just like failed American policies in the Muslim world added fuel to the anti-American sentiments.

Nonsense. Jews get favorable treatment in the West. Every small attack or seemingly anti-Jewish action is blown into proportion and gets much more media publicity than attacks on any other community.

If you criticize the policies of the Israel regime vis-a-vis Palestine you risk being labelled as a anti-Semitic individual no matter how well-deserved your criticism is.

This is due to the legacy of the Holocaust in the European mind obviously.

Anyway this has nothing to do with the topic but your comment was ridiculous given the ground realities.

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The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is the Mother of all Conflicts -
Clearly it's the failure to endorse and celebrate Israel that's at the root of it all. If you did that jihadists would be robbed of all moral force, yes? But you wallow in and promote anti-Zionist falsehoods to stuff Muslim egos better and distract from the criminality of Muslim-led regimes.[/QUOTE]
 
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Finally its over. I stand by French people. I pray that the dead may rest in peace and the injured recover quickly. France must now start a full out war against extremism.
 
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@Solomon2

It seems that you prefer to live in your "Israel is the epitome of human dignity and Jews were always and will always be innocent lambs" fantasy land, cousin.

What I wrote is a fact though. You can choose to deny it or not. Not my business.

Having said that then I stand by the innocent Jews and other victims of senseless terror regardless of their religion, ethnicity, skin color, ideology etc. The lunatics did not spear a "fellow Muslim". They never do as their actions in the ME and elsewhere are a living example of. 98% of all the victims are Muslims.
 
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RIP victims of yet another terrorist act

BREAKING NEWS

reminds me of this verse in holy quran :

"و مکرو و مکرالله والله خیر الماکرین"
  • 54. And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners.
the french govt. who supports the same terrorists in other places like in syria should be held accountable .

french people should stop changing their avatars to "je suis charlie" {being hostile to others won't solve anything} and wonder what their govt. is doing .

you don't get to kill innocents indirectly in other countries by supporting some fanatics and just lay down there feeling all safe .

there is a god above and he is the mightiest of all
 
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What I wrote is a fact though. You can choose to deny it or not. Not my business.
It's the business of Pakistanis to know that you aren't an honest broker and don't have their best interests in heart as you are more interested in pride than truth and peace with justice.
 
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I hope that Charlie Hebdo does not stop publishing such cartoons. Otherwise it would be a victory to the terrorists.
 
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It's the business of Pakistanis to know that you aren't an honest broker and don't have their best interests in heart as you are more interested in pride than truth and peace with justice.

You are one special fellow, are you not? Your post makes absolutely no sense as usual.

What I wrote is common knowledge. You can pretend otherwise.

I have feet in both camps (ME and Europe) as you already know so you can talk about agenda all you want and leave it you know where!

Maybe read my post number 162 in this very thread the same day this attack started. Or my post in this thread below;

Islamophobia is becoming more acceptable | Page 7

I don't have to appease a hypocrite like you or "prove myself".
 
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'The exodus of Jews, as many times in the past, is the first harbinger'
Sharansky: Paris massacre shows time running out for Europe
We’re not building our immigration strategy on tragic events, Jewish Agency chief says, but on the fact that European Jews are increasingly uncomfortable
BY RAPHAEL AHREN January 8, 2015, 10:31 pm

On the day after Islamist terrorists massacred 12 people in the heart of Paris, committing what some called France’s 9/11, Jewish Agency head Natan Sharansky resisted the temptation to use the tragedy to push for upped immigration to Israel from an increasingly dangerous France.

“We’re not building our aliyah strategy on tragic events. We’re building it on the fact that there is this place in the world called Europe, where Jews are feeling increasingly uncomfortable,” he said Thursday.

Sharansky predicted more than 10,000 French Jews will move to Israel in the course of 2015 — breaking 2014’s record number of 7,000 new Francophone immigrants — amid a reported uptick in anti-Semitic incidents there and across Europe.

“We have to make sure that Israel is very attractive choice for them. And that’s already happening,” said Sharansky the former Soviet Prisoner of Zion who was finally allowed to come to Israel in 1986.

Over the next two decades, indeed, he expects some 250,000 immigrants from France — a sizable portion of Europe’s largest Jewish community, which according to various counts numbers between 600,000 and 1 million.

While Sharansky, whose agency is a quasi-governmental institution with widespread responsibilities for immigration and absorption, said the attack on the Charlie Hebdo satirical magazine wouldn’t impact Jewish immigration numbers, he did see it as a wake up call that the very essence of a free Europe is a stake.

France can only be saved from the depths of violence and terror if authorities make some dramatic changes to the way they deal with Muslim immigration, he said, shedding political correctness in favor of candor.

“This particular tragedy is a very tragic and powerful reminder for Europe that the time is running out for them — not for European Jews,” Sharansky said, adding that European Jewry’s exodus from the continent is a work that has been in process for several years already. But non-Jewish Europeans should take note and act before it’s too late, he warned.


Police officers and firefighters gather in front of the offices of the French satirical newspaper Charlie Hebdo in Paris on January 7, 2015, after armed gunmen stormed the offices leaving 12 dead. (Photo credit: AFP/ PHILIPPE DUPEYRAT)

“If France and the other Western nations will not fight quickly and strongly for reestablishing the civilization of liberal nations, Europe is in danger,” he said. “The exodus of Jews, as many times in the past, is the first harbinger, a warning of where it goes.”

In the aftermath of the attack, the world is likely focus on how to catch and punish the presumed perpetrators — chiefly among them Cherif and Said Kouachi, two French-born brothers of Algerian descent.

But Sharansky, a former Knesset member and government minister, also called on Paris to grapple with how it can act to stop young Frenchmen from becoming radicalized and turning to terrorism.

France has to make a clear decision to abandon cultural relativism and accept that human rights are an absolute value

People must realize that the problem is the belief that all cultures are equal and that France can allow Muslim immigrants to continue adhering to their archaic traditions while refusing to accept the country’s liberal values, he said. “Events like these give an opportunity to think, to make some very dramatic decisions,” Sharansky said.

He blamed the country’s conscious and intentional decision to embrace “policies of post-nationalism, post-modernism and multi-culturalism,” which undermined the liberty and freedom of speech enshrined by the French Revolution. “It was an ideological decision of this post-modern Europe, that all cultures have the same values and therefore we cannot demand from them to change, to betray their culture for the sake of ours.”

Large parts of France’s huge Muslim immigrant community don’t feel loyal to the liberal values of society, he asserted, and this idea is trickling into French schools. “There are many schools where teachers can not only not mention the Holocaust, but not teach the values of the French Revolution, because parents insists kids are to be brought up with a different ideology,” he said.

More than bolstering security or passing new legislation, France has to make a clear decision to abandon cultural relativism and accept that human rights are an absolute value, Sharansky argued. “And if for them religion is more important than human rights, who are we to demand from them to be different? That was one of the basic axioms of multiculturalism, which created inside the society of a proud liberal nation a society of people who believe they can really challenge freedom of speech by terror,” he said.

France’s error was to give citizenship to millions without demanding that they share French values, and it made this mistake because it was believes that values are something relative, Sharansky continued.


Cherif and Said Kouachi, two of three suspects in the deadly Paris attack on the Charlie Hebdo offices that killed 12 people on Wednesday January 7, 2015. (Screenshot/French police)

The French stance ought to be that “if you want to become a citizen of France you should have to accept that the culture that you will live in is the culture of human rights and liberty. And if you don’t want this, if you say, ‘Sorry, but my culture is that of the Koran,’ then you can be the citizen of some other country.”

The United States, noted Sharansky, has absorbed more Muslims than Europe but doesn’t have the same problem of integration, because the Americans ascertain that immigrants adopt American values. “The French should go back to the principles of the French Revolution, of a liberal national state.”

It will be more difficult now to deal with problematic immigrants who have already obtained French citizenship, he said. But the authorities might be able to expel those who actively fight the values of the Republic. Certainly schools, mosques and institutions that preach the rejection of France’s liberal values should be closed, he insisted.

Banning the burqa — a garment covering the whole body, worn by some Muslim women — or restricting the number of immigrants entering the country will not do the trick, Sharansky said. In fact, he defended people’s right to wear whatever they want, and was much more concerned with the obligation that people respect society’s fundamental values such as freedom of speech and religious pluralism.

You cannot interpret very archaic traditions of the society from which you came, to take the lives of members of your community. That issue is far more important than how they’re dressed.”


A vendor sets up his stall on the first day of the 30th Annual Meeting of France’s Muslims, at Le Bourget, Europe’s largest and most popular Muslim convention on the fringes of the Parisian suburb of Le Bourget. (AP Photo/Remy de la Mauviniere)

France’s devaluation of the nation state has also contributed to the country’s increasing hostility toward Zionism and Israel, and thus indirectly boosts aliyah, Sharansky went on. “It’s not only because specific aspects of [French foreign] policy, [including] the very idea of a national state, are viewed as something [that belongs to] the past. Nationalism leads to wars, according to this post-modern thinking, that’s why a new world without nationalities and without religious and national identities was created to try to avoid war. The proponents of such thinking believe this to be real progress and consider the Jews’ desire to create their own state to be backward. “The idea of Israel as a Jewish national state becomes less and less popular in liberal France,” he said.

Assimilated Jews can live comfortably and without fear in France [S2 note: remember this was written yesterday], he continued. But for those who don’t want to assimilate, Israel is extremely important. Being confronted with this post-nationalism almost everywhere they go makes their lives more complicated. These are the Jews who are making aliyah in large numbers, Sharansky said.

“Those French Jews are coming because they didn’t want to be assimilated. For them it’s so comfortable [once they come to Israel] that they don’t have to be concerned every day about whether their children will be part of Jewish culture and history. It’s a big relief for them.”


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