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State foster care.

What the Sri Lankans did to rehabilitate Tamil war orphans.

Cheers, Doc



Identify and get them in one place. That's the important bit.

Put them to work. So that the state does not need to pay for their upkeep out of our pockets.

I wouldn't gather them along our eastern border at all.

I'd rehabilitate them.alongside Pakistan.

In the Thar.

Not an inch of useful land should be wasted on freeloading illegals.

And definitely not where they can melt away.

Cheers, Doc

They got there long long ago with a master plan to remerge Assam with Sylhet. Much water has flowed under the bridge. No way to reverse the process.



Do you must use cheers, doc in every post? Irritating as hell.
 
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They got there long long ago with a master plan to remerge Assam with Sylhet. Much water has flowed under the bridge. No way to reverse the process.



Do you must use cheers, doc in every post? Irritating as hell.

All master plans look great.

Till they come up against their real masters.

And then are at the mercy of their innate civilizational goodness.

Which is why I still don't have my answer to the little surrounding Indians ....

How? Why? What changed?

Cheers, Doc
 
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Identify and get them in one place. That's the important bit.

Put them to work. So that the state does not need to pay for their upkeep out of our pockets.
They remain in India.
-!!India is the 'supa powa' :smitten:. The most developed country with 100% of employment rate. Population below poverty line is 0%. Indians are more white than white people. No one poop on the street. Happiest and most secured nation in the world. Champion in the HDI. People from all over the world come India for a better future, economic improvement. 200000000000 million poor Bangladeshis are living in India illegally to become rich like Indians.!! :smitten:

-Son wake up! It's morning u need to go to school. :angry:

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-!!India is the 'supa powa' :smitten:. The most developed country with 100% of employment rate. Population below poverty line is 0%. Indians are more white than white people. No one poop on the street. Happiest and most secured nation in the world. Champion in the HDI. People from all over the world come India for a better future, economic improvement. 200000000000 million poor Bangladeshis are living in India illegally to become rich like Indians.!! :smitten:

-Son wake up! It's morning u need to go to school. :angry:

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Fatafati! :omghaha:

illegals from Bangladesh swarming into West Bengal, Bihar, Jharkhand, and Assam

There is NO difference in dress, lifestyle, language and food habits in people from both sides of the border in areas like West Bengal and Assam.

For one, any Indian Bengali can make out a Bangladeshi by the way they speak.

Indian Bengalis can only make out speech differences from THEIR WB region and OTHER Indian areas (like Assam or Sylhet), doesn't mean those OTHER areas are definitely (without doubt) in Bangladesh and NOT in India. I suggest Indians stop trying to imagine their country as a paradise of Milk and Honey every Bangladeshi wants to go to. :D

Conversely there are millions of Illegal Indian workers hiding in Bangladesh and working in Garments factories. They are much easier to spot compared to locals.:D

The difference locally is that we don't have small minds like Indian Sanghis and start jealous schemes to drive out illegal 'Bangladeshis'. We realize that bhukhey-nangey Indians need jobs too - and they will migrate where the jobs are, to feed their families. We don't have the equivalent of communal-hate grassroots organizations like RSS.

These RSSers are so bad (especially in Mumbai area) - that they were trying to drive out South Indians and UP/Bihar people from there....communal behavior is a disease, the more you allow it to fester, the more people try to vocalize their stupid hate.

Next time Indians start talking about this, I suggest Arabs drive out Bhartis from the Gulf region cities, and I suggest Australians do the same to the Indians in that country too. Pay back in your own coin....

If you are from west Bengal then will understand what I am saying, I don't think, a Bangladeshi person from Rajshahi and a Indian muslim from bordering district of Malda and Murshidabad have much difference in accent.

Exactly. :enjoy:
 
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Fatafati! :omghaha:



There is NO difference in dress, lifestyle, language and food habits in people from both sides of the border in areas like West Bengal and Assam.



Indian Bengalis can only make out speech differences from THEIR WB region and OTHER Indian areas (like Assam or Sylhet), doesn't mean those OTHER areas are definitely (without doubt) in Bangladesh and NOT in India. I suggest Indians stop trying to imagine their country as a paradise of Milk and Honey every Bangladeshi wants to go to. :D

Conversely there are millions of Illegal Indian workers hiding in Bangladesh and working in Garments factories. They are much easier to spot compared to locals.:D

The difference locally is that we don't have small minds like Indians and start jealous schemes to drive out illegal Indians. We realize that bhukhey-nangey Indians need jobs too - and they will migrate where the jobs are, to feed their families. We don't have the equivalent of communal-hate grassroots organizations like RSS.



Exactly. :enjoy:

I'm not a Bengali speaker. I'm a Gujarati speaker. But many Indian Bengalis claim what I've simply transmitted without any embellishments - which is, an Indian Bengali can easily identify a Bangladeshi when he speaks.

@Joe Shearer once said something similar about his encounters with Bangladeshis on buses or trains in Mumbai or some such. You do not need to take my word for it. I've saved you the hassle by tagging him here.

Cheers, Doc
 
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I'm not a Bengali speaker. I'm a Gujarati speaker. But many Indian Bengalis claim what I've simply transmitted without any embellishments - which is, an Indian Bengali can easily identify a Bangladeshi when he speaks.

@Joe Shearer once said something similar about his encounters with Bangladeshis on buses or trains in Mumbai or some such. You do not need to take my word for it. I've saved you the hassle by tagging him here.

Cheers, Doc

Okay let Dada weigh in then....
 
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I'm not a Bengali speaker. I'm a Gujarati speaker. But many Indian Bengalis claim what I've simply transmitted without any embellishments - which is, an Indian Bengali can easily identify a Bangladeshi when he speaks.

@Joe Shearer once said something similar about his encounters with Bangladeshis on buses or trains in Mumbai or some such. You do not need to take my word for it. I've saved you the hassle by tagging him here.

Cheers, Doc

2008, travelling from Hyderabad to a very remote location in Maharashtra via Pune. From Pune, I had to take two rural buses, and then a third, an adventure by itself, passing through wild and very beautiful mountain country. At the second stop, a terminal stop, a quiet group of four nondescript men sitting by themselves towards the back of the bus, stayed on when the bus stopped and the rest of us started clambering off, until the conductor shouted at them. Then they muttered quietly among themselves, in the broadest possible Bangladeshi dialect, that it wasn't clear what the hell they were supposed to do next. I managed to control my huge amusement and helped them to figure out where to stand to take the next bus, to Sholapur (still a very long distance away). An attempt to ask them what they were doing practically made them run from me.

2010, looking after my very ill father in Calcutta. There was a lot of talk outside his bedroom window pretty early in the morning. I was furious, and rushed down in my pajamas to see what this nuisance was about. A crowd of labourers were planning to do up the road, and, to my surprise, they were speaking in a Bangladeshi dialect. As they could easily have been people from a refugee settlement (some still exist, although the majority have been gentrified) on the outskirts, I asked them where they were from. A sudden hush. Then a voice in the background said,"Let's get out of here. He's going to call the cops." Pulishyare dhoraiya dibo. Before I could say, pole-vault, the small crowd (about ten of them) had vanished,leaving their tools behind.

2014, teaching at NALSAR. A swarm of labourers, led by a cocky bugger in a hat at the prescribed Admiral Beatty deuce angle, were crowded around the security staff at the gate, signing in to get to their work-place. The cocky one was speaking loudly, a mixture of smart alec remarks, unwanted and unnecessary guidance, wisecracks about the security staff, and so on. I was on my morning walk and this was at six in the morning. I asked the wise guy where they were from, and he gulped hard, looked at me and said Odisha. He was asked, where in Odisha. He hesitated and said Berhampur, which is close enough to Andhra for them to have heard of it. When I said I had an attendant from Berhampur and he would probably like to talk to them, you should have seen the panic on their faces. They lost no time in heading off to their work-place (building additional hostel space) at what I can only describe as a very good light infantry/rifles marching pace.

I could go on.
 
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I could go on.

Regardless of what Bangladeshis believe, or try to brazen it out like @Philia in legalspeak, we all know what the reality is of Bangladeshi illegals in our country. And the extent.

You were tagged because Bilal and some other Bangladeshis believe that Bangladeshis and Bengalis living in contiguous areas either side of the border are similar enough in speech to not be differentiated from one another by the trained local ear.

Is that a fair assessment, or is it just you because your family hails from that area (now in Bangladesh) originally?

Cheers, Doc
 
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Regardless of what Bangladeshis believe, or try to brazen it out like @Philia in legalspeak, we all know what the reality is of Bangladeshi illegals in our country. And the extent.
I never denied that there are illegal immigrants from Bangladesh in India. But same happens the other way as well. There are illegal Indians in Bangladesh as well. I would absolutely not mind a population exchange if it goes through a legal procedure and paperwork.
 
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Regardless of what Bangladeshis believe, or try to brazen like @Philia in legalspeak, we all know what the reality is of Bangladeshi illegals in our country. And the extent.

You were tagged because Bilal and some other Bangladeshis believe that Bangladeshis and Bengalis living in contiguous areas either side of the border are similar enough in speech to not be differentiated from one another by the trained local ear.

Is that a fair assessment, or is it just you because your family hails from that area (now in Bangladesh) originally?

Cheers, Doc

My personal evaluation is in two parts.

There is definitely infiltration, both in the eastern and in the western directions. The two are essentially different, but with a mixture of reasons in the west.

Going east, into Assam, there is a creeping entry of hundreds, perhaps scores, now that there is so much attention there, of land-hungry peasants who come in, work very hard as day-wagers for a few years, and then get their tiny little patches of land, their legal id, and so on. Some of the promotional work that I did for Glocal took me there, and I found myself addressing a 100% Muslim crowd with greetings in three languages, including a Salaam.

Going west, there is still some of this happening in Malda and in Murshidabad - my brother, who was a doctor practising in government service in these parts, saw this as a commonplace daily occurrence. The same sequence: come in, work hard, get a bit of land, get papers, get settled in permanently.

Over and above that, going west, through Bengal into Bihar or Jharkhand, then through UP to Delhi, even to J&K, and through Jharkhand (and Odisha) into Andhra and into Telengana and Karnataka - specifically Bengaluru, for reasons that will be mentioned later - there is a broad stream of labourers, without their womenfolk in the first instance, seeking work. On the outskirts of Delhi, there are settlements that are almost exclusive Bengali. The question is whether these are West Bengalis or Bangladeshis.

My conjecture is that Bangladeshi or West Bengali migrants stick to the states speaking a non-Dravidian language. Picking that up is a challenge that they tend to flinch from, like the rest of north Indians. Bengaluru is an exception because of its widely-known cosmopolitan nature, and the relative ease of passing off as a north Indian there. Hyderabad is factually a melting pot, and anyone can come and stay here, no questions asked.

These migrants could well be West Bengalis. It is very well known that the economic status of India is gradually tilting to the west, a process that started in our appalled view in the 60s of the last century and has only accellerated under the rule of the crazed Didi. The north-east is not in particularly productive shape, and there are huge job shortages there. Considering that the entire food and hospitality industry in Hyderabad is firmly in the clutches of Odiyas and of Nepalese, why should there not be a West Bengali component? I have already given you the example of Bangladeshis in the NALSAR building site; I am not arguing that there are none in India. My argument is that the number is exaggerated, that it is conflated with genuine internal migration, and that we have to find solutions less reminiscent of the Final Solution.

Coming to the similarity of dialect, it differs from case to case. It is true that there is very little difference between Malda and Murshidabad and Rajshahi across the border; or between Nadia and the 24 Parganas (now north and south 24 Parganas) and their counterparts of Pabna and Kushtia. I might confuse contiguous districts on the Bangladesh side, but that should not be allowed to derail the argument; @HomoSapiens can correct this. It is true that there might be migration from these border districts and none would be wiser, and the same would apply to Assam as well. However, my personal experience has been that their accent is so broad that it is easy to catch. Perhaps there is a larger number of Bangladeshis than we imagine, who come from contiguous districts and are indistinguishable from our own folk.

Now figure it out from whatever I've said.
 
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I never denied that there are illegal immigrants from Bangladesh in India. But same happens the other way as well. There are illegal Indians in Bangladesh as well. I would absolutely not mind a population exchange if it goes through a legal procedure and paperwork.

They are nowhere close to be equivalent as to suggest quid pro quo exchange arrangement between the two nations.

I have professional links to your country through third party Western partners. I have close colleagues who visit Dhaka regularly. I've personally never traveled there.

It requires a heroic flight of fancy for an Indian to somehow accept that there are Indians moving to Bangladesh for livelihood and better prospects.

Cheers, Doc

My argument is that the number is exaggerated, that it is conflated with genuine internal migration, and that we have to find solutions less reminiscent of the Final Solution.

Joe, we are talking 20 million here.

That's a Mumbai or Delhi sized chunk of illegals.

We are not a rich country. We have 1.3 billion of our own who've stayed with us since Partition.

Why should they suffer a diminishment of land, jobs or resources to those who did not make their home with India when the time came and now have slunk in surreptitiously when the going got tough in their Muslim homeland?

I do not know what you mean by Final Solution. But I as an Indian want them OUT. GONE. YESTERDAY.

Cheers, Doc
 
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They are nowhere close to be equivalent as to suggest quid pro quo exchange arrangement between the two nations.

I have professional links to your country through third party Western partners. I have close colleagues who visit Dhaka regularly. I've personally never traveled there.

It requires a heroic flight of fancy for an Indian to somehow accept that there are Indians moving to Bangladesh for livelihood and better prospects.

Cheers, Doc

Frankly, as a frequent visitor to Dhaka (on work), I find that claim a little astonishing. One oracle mentioned a figure of 1.5 million Indians illegally in Bangladesh, working in management positions. I am gobsmacked. The difficulty back in the day was figuring out whether the gentleman one was going to meet was an idune or open-minded and business-like. No question of an Indian bloc.

They are nowhere close to be equivalent as to suggest quid pro quo exchange arrangement between the two nations.

I have professional links to your country through third party Western partners. I have close colleagues who visit Dhaka regularly. I've personally never traveled there.

It requires a heroic flight of fancy for an Indian to somehow accept that there are Indians moving to Bangladesh for livelihood and better prospects.

Cheers, Doc



Joe, we are talking 20 million here.

That's a Mumbai or Delhi sized chunk of illegals.

We are not a rich country. We have 1.3 billion of our own who've stayed with us since Partition.

Why should they suffer a diminishment of land, jobs or resources to those who did not make their home with India when the time came and now have slunk in surreptitiously when the going got tough in their Muslim homeland?

I do not know what you mean by Final Solution. But I as an Indian want them OUT. GONE. YESTERDAY.

Cheers, Doc

Doc, that 20 million is an absurd figure. Somebody built it up, on this thread, as 10 million left over from 71, and 10 million through the intervening years. First of all, I can tell you with complete authority that the 10 million left, happily and with the light of hope gleaming in their eyes, even the Hindus. Second, 10 million over 40 years is - what? - 20,000 a month? How do you stop 20,000 a month? And, considering that we have 13 million coming into the work-force EVERY YEAR, should we be worrying about 250,000 possible immigrants a year, an unproven number, or our own inherent 13 million?

Go ahead and ask me how many of these 13 million get employment, and watch the problem of superfluous Bangladeshis vanish out of sight.
 
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Frankly, as a frequent visitor to Dhaka (on work), I find that claim a little astonishing. One oracle mentioned a figure of 1.5 million Indians illegally in Bangladesh, working in management positions. I am gobsmacked. The difficulty back in the day was figuring out whether the gentleman one was going to meet was an idune or open-minded and business-like. No question of an Indian bloc.



Doc, that 20 million is an absurd figure. Somebody built it up, on this thread, as 10 million left over from 71, and 10 million through the intervening years. First of all, I can tell you with complete authority that the 10 million left, happily and with the light of hope gleaming in their eyes, even the Hindus. Second, 10 million over 40 years is - what? - 20,000 a month? How do you stop 20,000 a month? And, considering that we have 13 million coming into the work-force EVERY YEAR, should we be worrying about 250,000 possible immigrants a year, an unproven number, or our own inherent 13 million?

Go ahead and ask me how many of these 13 million get employment, and watch the problem of superfluous Bangladeshis vanish out of sight.

Don't disagree with what you are saying about jobs and our own workforce.

But the 20 million figure has come from government sources. Not here.

My point is, 20 million or 5 or even 1 million are just way too many illegals. We need to go after them and get them out. I don't see ANY difference between a Bangladeshi or a Pakistani, just to make my stand on this issue absolutely clear.

I see Bangladesh as Pakistan without an Army.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Don't disagree with what you are saying about jobs and our own workforce.

But the 20 million figure has come from government sources. Not here.

My point is, 20 million or 5 or even 1 million are just way too many illegals. We need to go after them and get them out. I don't see ANY difference between a Bangladeshi or a Pakistani, just to make my stand on this issue absolutely clear.

I see Bangladesh as Pakistan without an Army.

Cheers, Doc

Why don't you see Pakistan as Bangladesh with an Army? Can't we see from the stats. the significant difference that concentrating on economic growth in relative peace with its neighbours has given Bangladesh better stats than India? Forget about floundering parts of south Asia, desperately looking for a winning lottery ticket.

It is increasingly unlikely that Bangladeshis will migrate; it was a condition in past years, no doubt about that, but things are improving rapidly.

Finally, where has that 20 million come from? What government sources? Even if it is true, it represents one and a half years of addition to the work-force. We have very serious problems on which to focus, before getting bogged down with the mythical Bangladeshi horde.

@Bilal9
@Philia
@Homo Sapiens

Why the deathly silence?
 
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