As India tells Pakistan it will only talk terror, PM Narendra Modi’s core advisors mull next steps

[ranjeet]

An option but an extreme one.

A lot of options exist in between.

A gentle reminder as a positive stimuli to help Pakistan muster enough courage to fight the menace of home grown Non State Actors?

 

[Jai.Singh]

Part of our strategy to keep concentrating on internal cleaning and progression, improve economy, law and order, improve infrastructure, CPEC....... while letting the world know that we're also open to talks with India and let India prove itself to be the one that it is the hindering block in front of everyone. It's working great till now. And when India becomes frustrated and starts crossing the red line, we raise the temperature in Kashmir.

Good for us....Pakistan stability is in INDIAs interest.
You already wasted 60yrs now don't make it further 60yrs on this development.

But sorry to say no talk on Kashmir only on cross border terrorism.

 

[Pakistan First]

Good for us....Pakistan stability is in INDIAs interest.
You already wasted 60yrs now don't make it further 60yrs on this development.

But sorry to say no talk on Kashmir only on cross border terrorism.

Talking of wasted. You've just been wasted (banned). Back to bhaRAT rakshak for you.

Warning for other immigrants.

 

[Areesh]

If we go with recent history, give this modi government some time.

In a few months they would be back talking Kashmir with us.

 

[third eye]

A gentle reminder as a positive stimuli to help Pakistan muster enough courage to fight the menace of home grown Non State Actors?

Nope

Not there are any surprises but premature disclosure of intent without sufficient cause not advised.

More reasons than one.

 

[utraash]

Terrorism & Indus water treaty shall be agenda of further talks... Lets play with emotions & reality .....

 

[BABA AGHORI]

Pakistan's conditions for any further talks:

1) Progress on Samjhauta Express incident to be demonstrated;

2) Explanation from top-level to top-level on proven indian involvement in Baluchistan;

3) Handing over of terrorists on Pakistan's wanted list, including Brahamdagh Bugti;

4) Consular access to Yadav (Indian spy) and even his extradition only if India shares verifiable and actionable list of all Indian/RAW assets within BLA and TTP across Pakistan. Any access or extradition to happen once the names on that list have been verified, captured and "cleansed".

Pakistan's conditions for any further talks:

1) Progress on Samjhauta Express incident to be demonstrated;
Ans (INDIA): Incident/Crime happened on Indian soil, therefore law of land applies. Pakistan can request as there citizens were the victims too but cannot pressurize.
2) Explanation from top-level to top-level on proven indian involvement in Baluchistan;
Ans(INDIA): Prove it in the International court of Law, UN has not stated any Indian involvement in the ingenious freedom struggle in Baluchistan.

3) Handing over of terrorists on Pakistan's wanted list, including Brahamdagh Bugti;
Ans(INDIA): Prove to the world he is a terrorist - Issue interpol red corner notice; We can swap him for Dawood Ibrahim

4) Consular access to Yadav (Indian spy) and even his extradition only if India shares verifiable and actionable list of all Indian/RAW assets within BLA and TTP across Pakistan. Any access or extradition to happen once the names on that list have been verified, captured and "cleansed".[/QUOTE]
And(INDIA). List include -
Hafiz Saeed,
Lal topi
illays Kashmiri
Rashid Abdullah
Major Sameer Ali
Memon ibrahim
Shaikh shakeel
Memon Ayub Abdul Razak
Anis Ibrahim
Anwar Ahmed Haji Jamal
Mohammed Ahmed Dosa
Javed Patel/Chikna
Slaim Abdul Gani Gazi
Riyaz Abu Bakar Khatri
Munaf Abdul
Mohd. Tainur
Khan bashir
Yakub Khan
Mh. Yusaf Shah; Salauddin
Cheema Azam
Syed Yabiuddin jabi
Ibrahim Athar
Azhar Yusaf
Mistri Zahur
Rajit Singh
Wadhawa Singh
Paramjit Singh
Lakhbir Singh

PS: Please leave Lal topi -- he is my fav. baakiyon ka tittar bana doh....

 

[-xXx-]

Indian terrorism is a threat to humanity.

It's not some food joint in US you may want to name it Indian (for obvious reasons), we are talking of terrorism, so be precise and true and give Pak the credit where its due.

 

[Pakistan First]

Pakistan's conditions for any further talks:

1) Progress on Samjhauta Express incident to be demonstrated;
Ans (INDA): Incident/Crime happened on Indian soil, therefore law of land applies. Pakistan can request as there citizens were the victims too but cannot pressurize.
2) Explanation from top-level to top-level on proven indian involvement in Baluchistan;
Ans(INDIA): Prove it in the International court of Law, UN has not stated any Indian involvement in the ingenious freedom struggle in Baluchistan.

3) Handing over of terrorists on Pakistan's wanted list, including Brahamdagh Bugti;
Ans(INDIA): Prove to the world he is a terrorist - Issue interpol red corner notice; We can swap him for Dawood Ibrahim

4) Consular access to Yadav (Indian spy) and even his extradition only if India shares verifiable and actionable list of all Indian/RAW assets within BLA and TTP across Pakistan. Any access or extradition to happen once the names on that list have been verified, captured and "cleansed".

We can consider giving you most of the above required people, if (1) you can prove they're in Pakistan; (2) resolve water dispute amicably with Pakistan; and (3) let there be plebiscite in Kashmir and let Kashmiris decide for themselves who they want to join or independence, as per their wishes.

On a serious note, most of the names above seem to be coming out of a B-grade movie cast. (Now don't accuse me for watching B-grade movies).

PS: We know Lal Topi is the one who annoys Indians the most. Which is why he's our favourite pet. Whenever we see a rat, we just point him in it's direction and let him go ballistic.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

We can consider giving you most of the above required people, if (1) you can prove they're in Pakistan; (2) resolve water dispute amicably with Pakistan; and (3) let there be plebiscite in Kashmir and let Kashmiris decide for themselves who they want to join or independence, as per their wishes.

On a serious note, most of the names above seem to be coming out of a B-grade movie cast. (Now don't accuse me for watching B-grade movies).

PS: We know Lal Topi is the one who annoys Indians the most. Which is why he's our favourite pet. Whenever we see a rat, we just point him in it's direction and let him go ballistic.

My friend, what do you mean by Lal Topi?

Would like to understand/know more. You refered to it as him so must be a person.

Thanks for your info.

 

[Abingdonboy]

NSA Ajit Doval and Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar have been working closely to craft a wider strategic response to the crisis in response to the impasse in relations with Pakistan.

Foreign Secretary S Jaishankar has written to his Pakistani counterpart, calling for talks on cross-border terrorism, describing it as a threat to “regional security”. The letter, delivered to Pakistan’s Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmad Chaudhry on Wednesday night, also proposes a dialogue on the status of Pakistan-occupiedKashmir. Pakistan had written to India on August 15, calling for a dialogue on the situation in Jammu and Kashmir, and humanitarian issues related to the violence there.

The letter, government sources said, was cleared by National Security Advisor Ajit Doval, after consultations which involved the heads of the intelligence services and the Ministry of Home Affairs.

New Delhi’s letter in essence reiterates its earlier, August 19, response to Pakistan’s letter, stating its willingness to engage in Foreign Secretary-level talks, but not on issues chosen by Pakistan. Pakistan had responded to the August 19 letter the same day, drawing the Indian response delivered Wednesday.

Behind the letter, government sources say, is a foreign policy team that has pulled together to shape a strategic response to combat multiple crisis that have threatened to leave India isolated from several of its neighbours.

“The letters tell Pakistan that if you want a serious conversation of the kind we’d hoped we were beginning when Pathankot happened, we’re open to that,” a senior official involved in drafting the documents said. “However, if you want to reduce our engagement to scoring propaganda points at home, fine, we can play that game too”.

National Security Advisor Doval and Foreign Secretary Jaishankar have been working closely to craft a wider strategic response to the crisis in response to the impasse in relations with Pakistan, officials working with them told The Indian Express.

“It’s obvious to everyone that while talking to Pakistan isn’t a policy, not talking isn’t a policy either,” the senior official said. “The big question is how to compel Pakistan to cut back its support for terrorist groups and secessionists in Kashmir, and that will involve carefully thinking about our diplomatic, political and security options. This isn’t something there is an easy answer to, but we’re agreed we have to try new things.”

Key to the strategy is broadening engagement with China, putting aside the bitterness which flowing from that country’s opposition to India’s membership of the Nuclear Suppliers Group, to avoid a crisis in relations with both of India’s major adversaries.

Earlier this month, during Chinese Foreign Secretary Wang Yi’s visit, Foreign Secretary Jaishankar initiated a new dialogue on a range of issues, including, among other things, climate change and India’s demand for the listing of Jaish-e-Muhammad chief Maulana Masood Azhar on the list of sanctioned individuals maintained by the United Nations Security Council.

For his part, National Security Advisor Doval remains in charge of the critical Special Representative-level negotiations on China-India border negotiations. Yang Jiechi. Jiechi, as a State Councillor, outranks China’s Foreign Secretary; Doval, for his part, has the rank of a Minister of State.

“The Special Representative talks had expanded to include a number of non-core areas like energy security under former National Security Advisor MK Narayanan,” an official said. “The thinking shared by both China and India is that this is an impediment to the business at hand”.

“Keeping China engaged served India best”, another official said. “Even though many bitter statements were made in the wake of the failure to gain NSG membership, we have nothing to gain by sabotaging the entire relationship”.

Both graduates of the King George’s Military Schools, now known as the Rashtriya Military Schools, Doval and Jaishankar have have been cast as hawk-dove opponents in Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s strategic team. The two men are, however, described by officials working with them as pragmatists, whose decision-making processes do not appear coloured by strongly-held ideological beliefs.

Following the attack on the Pathankot Air Force Base on January 2, 2015, both men had pushed for a diplomatic efforts to secure action against the Jaish-e-Muhammad. The two men argued that India ought to test Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s promises to act against terrorists operating against India, which led on to National Security Advisor-level talks, and a parallel diplomatic engagement between the Foreign Secretaries.

However, their critics contend the strategy—leading up to Prime Minister Modi’s December, 2015 visit to Pakistan—was based on the flawed assumption that Lieutenant-General Nasser Khan Janjua, Pakistan’s National Security Advisor, had the backing of that country’s military establishment.

Doval and Jaishankar also worked closely together through the Nepal crisis, an issue on which they were reported to have deep differences over the blockade imposed on commercial traffic into that country. The two men agreed on fundamentals, including the need to back ethnic communities living in Nepal’s plains, who were angered by its new Constitution.

“The fact is that that Prime Minister Khadga Prasad Sharma Oli’s government, with its anti-Madhesi bias, fell, and the country’s pro-China tilt has been reversed”, an official argues. “Indian policy has not turned out to be the disaster that it was claimed to be”.

http://indianexpress.com/article/in...narendra-modis-core-advisors-mull-next-steps/

Is it just me or does it seem as though this horse and pony show is entirely by design by the the Indian side? One minuet the talks are on, next they are off, NSAs are meeting, PMs are hugging then accusations are hurdled, harsh language is used, sensitive issues are brought up, rinse and repeat.

It is clear the "Pakistan problem" is unsolvable so what is the next best thing? Appearing to be eager to solve it whilst pursuing your own interests.

Whilst Pakistan's focus is bogged down with India's internal issues and their own, India is actively expanding its ties with Pakistan's histroic/tradtional "friends" and is growing faster than anyone else.


And what is Pakistan's most sensitive issue, the one that would cause them to fully lose their minds, the one guarenteed to grab their attention......Balouchistan. And what has Modi suddenly started to take great interest in?


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[Mentee]

My friend, what do you mean by Lal Topi?

Would like to understand/know more. You refered to it as him so must be a person.

Thanks for your info.

He talks a lot of sensible things that's why they are jealous of him

 

[Pakistan First]

My friend, what do you mean by Lal Topi?

Would like to understand/know more. You refered to it as him so must be a person.

Thanks for your info.

Brother Sinopakfriend,

Lal Topi (meaning Red Cap) was actually a sarcasm-based reference to Mr. Zaid Hamid http://www.zaidhamid.pk a defence analyst and political commentator who is fanatically patriotic and anti-India. Indians simply hate his guts because he's without a doubt one of the most outspoken anti-indian and pro-Pakistani commentator out there. Even many of Pakistani media channels think twice before calling him on their shows.

 

[!eon]

But pakistan wants to talk to the real representative of the J&K, the hurriyats for the so called Peace.

My advice Dono Mamoo Lage Raho, aur Soch lo ki Duniya ko Mamoo Banna Liya.

Terrorist Bania is not whole dunya !

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

Brother Sinopakfriend,

Lal Topi (meaning Red Cap) was actually a sarcasm-based reference to Mr. Zaid Hamid http://www.zaidhamid.pk a defence analyst and political commentator who is fanatically patriotic and anti-India. Indians simply hate his guts because he's without a doubt one of the most outspoken anti-indian and pro-Pakistani commentator out there. Even many of Pakistani media channels think twice before calling him on their shows.

Many thanks my brother!

Learnt something again from you. I will look at this link.

Yes, delusional people get panic attacks when clean mirror is shown.

You keep up the good work.

Take care