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As conversion row rages on, Adityanath says will go to Aligarh on Christmas

See, like the Muslims who remain the butt of many Hindu's jokes for the reason that they cannot understand Arabic and wish to embrace Islam thus relying on Mullahs for a false message, you likewise want to rely on the internet for the message of the Gita. Apply the literal meaning to anything and stop looking for hidden messages

Anyways, you placed a challenge to me. I accepted your challenge. I furnished to you a clear and unambigous statement from Shrimadh Bhagvad Gita which shows that Lord Krishna instructed humanity to worship only Him. You need to admit that you should eat your words and that I was correct as per your challenge
@SarthakGanguly is totally right there. there is nothing like religion in Gita . the dharman means Character/behavior not religion . u r absolutely wrong there. how come religion comes into play in gita. I highly doubt ur version.
 
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@SarthakGanguly is totally right there. there is nothing like religion in Gita . the dharman means Character/behavior not religion . u r absolutely wrong there. how come religion comes into play in gita. I highly doubt ur version.

As I mentioned earlier, I hate engaging in religious debates on this forum even if it is with members of my own Hindu community. You do accept that Krshna calls upon humanity to worship only Him and to even refrain from worshipping the demi-Gods whilst not condemning those who do ? By "religion", I can only infer that the word should read worship since admittedly there was but only Sanathan Dharma in India at that time
 
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You remove Conversion: Islam and Christianity gone..

Without Conversion Islam wouldn't have survived...

--Taslima Nasrin.. BD Atheist writer.
 
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Dharma does not means religion only. It means duty ,and conventions too. And in this case Dharma has been used in sense of convention.

Convention/Duty/Religion whatever. My debate with SarthakGanguly was simply on his denial that Lord Krshna called upon humanity to abandon all else and to surrender only unto Him.
 
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As I mentioned earlier, I hate engaging in religious debates on this forum even if it is with members of my own Hindu community. You do accept that Krshna calls upon humanity to worship only Him and to even refrain from worshipping the demi-Gods whilst not condemning those who do ? By "religion", I can only infer that the word should read worship since admittedly there was but only Sanathan Dharma in India at that time

Nonsense.

Verse 9.23 Raja Yoga
ye ‘py anya-devata-bhaktayajante sraddhayanvitah
te ‘pi mam eva kaunteyayajanty avidhi-purvakam

Even those devotees who worship lesser gods and demi gods with faith, are actually worshiping the Supreme One indirectly.
 
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Convention/Duty/Religion whatever. My debate with SarthakGanguly was simply on his denial that Lord Krshna called upon humanity to abandon all else and to surrender only unto Him.


There are more than one meaning for some words. It is your translation that says so since you are cherrypicking meanings of multiple meaning words, and it is false for the reason that there was no religion/only one religion at that time.

An alternate and contextually proper translation would be that Lord Krishna called upon Arjun to abandon set conventions of society and follow what he is saying.
 
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Nonsense.

Verse 9.23 Raja Yoga
ye ‘py anya-devata-bhaktayajante sraddhayanvitah
te ‘pi mam eva kaunteyayajanty avidhi-purvakam


Even those devotees who worship lesser gods and demi gods with faith, are actually worshiping the Supreme One indirectly.
Useless Effort !! You Really think he is a guy who Studied Vivekananda Thoughts.Probably he thought him As Another Useless Right-wing Scholar.
 
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As I mentioned earlier, I hate engaging in religious debates on this forum even if it is with members of my own Hindu community. You do accept that Krshna calls upon humanity to worship only Him and to even refrain from worshipping the demi-Gods whilst not condemning those who do ? By "religion", I can only infer that the word should read worship since admittedly there was but only Sanathan Dharma in India at that time

Convention/Duty/Religion whatever. My debate with SarthakGanguly was simply on his denial that Lord Krshna called upon humanity to abandon all else and to surrender only unto Him.
You are mistaken.

Please try to consider the alternative. Check with anyone else, religion is a very recent concept wrt to dharma. Dharma has little to nothing to do with religion. Never did he even mention any demi gods at all.

The second part was a part of Karma yoga. The entire episode involves Arjuna staying confused over his dharm, while Krishna tries to leave that aside for the greater dharm ie to go ahead with the fight as a kshatriya(his first dharm as a soldier). Both their religions(sure they did not know that word) were the same, but their dharms were not.

The ending of Krishna's life also speaks volumes. He died (thereby considering him Paramatmaan or Brahmaan is null) after being hit by mistake! In his ankle! The lesson was Karma which Krishna himself understood and allowed himself to bleed.

You are free to try and twist the message, but it is not disputed in anyway. Have a nice time. :)

Convention/Duty/Religion whatever. My debate with SarthakGanguly was simply on his denial that Lord Krshna called upon humanity to abandon all else and to surrender only unto Him.
He was speaking to Arjuna on the importance of duty when faced with personal moral compulsions. Never something like what you state above.
 
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You remove Conversion: Islam and Christianity gone..

Without Conversion Islam wouldn't have survived...

--Taslima Nasrin.. BD Atheist writer.

So wtf are you hindus doing in Aligarh?

Forced conversions.
 
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Get Re-educated about the difference of God in monotheism and polytheism.

First, monotheism is the belief in a single Divine Person. But this is only a partial description of the cult. Some think that it is the oneness alone that matters. But it is not so.

For instance, one who thinks of the Divine as an impersonal Essence is not a

monotheist in the technical sense of the term. Those who quote the famous

Rigvedic verse that says that "The One Being the sages call by many names”

do not sufficiently realize that here the One Being (Eka sad) is in

the neuter, standing for the Divine Existence and not for a Divine Individual, and hence is not the same as contemplated by the well-known creeds that describe themselves as

monotheistic. To the monotheistic creeds God is a Person and not a

metaphysical Essence.


Secondly, as a Person the monotheistic Divinity can not be

conceived in any way one likes. For example, one who accepts a Single Divinity

as Mother or Maiden is not a monotheist in the practical sense of the term. To

the monotheist the Divinity is not only a Single Person but also a Masculine

Person. Thus the distinction between polytheism and monotheism is not one of

number alone but of gender also.


Thirdly, a monotheistic God cannot be any kind of male Person: He cannot, for example, be

a child or a boy. He can only be a Father. One would not be a monotheist if one

were to think of the Divine as Brother or any other relation. In other words,

the monotheistic God is not only a Person and a male Person, but He stands

in a single relationship to man-that of Father.


Fourthly, even as Father He must be believed to be a very elderly Person; not only a Father but a Patriarch.


Fifthly, as a Person the monotheistic God cannot exist anywhere; He has His special abode –heaven; He is a Father who is in heaven. He may go wherever He likes, but heaven is His

place of residence. Perhaps the most essential difference between monotheism

and polytheism lies here: that monotheism contemplates the Divine in heaven

and 'polytheism contemplates the Divine in the universe.


This makes a difference in the entire conception of

life and religion. To the monotheist heaven represents a superior plane of

existence and God a superior order of reality. To that order belong angels and

archangels, cherubim and seraphim, who also live on that plane. According to

this cult while heaven is sacred, the universe is profane; while God and the

angels who live in heaven are holy, man who lives on the earth is sinful; while

God is great, man is small.


Polytheism finds the Divine in the universe and hence there is but a thin dividing line between the sacred and the profane, the human and the Divine, the mortal and the immortal. In fact

polytheism contemplates heaven on earth and God in nature and among men. Hence while polytheism is attached to the earth and thinks in terms of life and the joy of living, monotheism is

attached to a hereafter and lives for heaven, looking down upon earthly things.

This trait of polytheism has been called Paganism.


Sixthly, monotheism is not a simple belief in a God in heaven who is a Father. Its God, a Patriarch, is a Ruler. He is the King of Heaven. And from heaven He also rules over the universe as its sole Monarch. Thus monotheism is monarchical theism.


Hence the ideology of monotheism is the ideology of monarchy. Heaven is the royal abode. The King is seated in His throne. He has his servants and emissaries. He appoints His vicegerents. He takes the best of His subjects to His heavenly court. The worst of them are flung into the dark prison-house, Hell.


As King, He claims unstinted allegiance and homage. The subjects must offer their respects often enough and regularly enough to satisfy His royal position. They must bow and bend before Him and thus honor and exalt Him. They must stand in dread of Him.


And as the only King He is jealous of usurpers and rivals.

He alone should receive the homage and no other. To offer homage to any but the

God of Heaven is to be a traitor to the Kingdom of God.

No wonder that ideal subjects of the Kingdom have thought that nothing can

please the King better than the punishment of those who try to offer their honor

and homage to persons or objects other than the God of Heaven.


Seventhly, the monotheistic God has His perpetual Adversary or Enemy - Satan, who

is a sort of Anti-God. Hence there is rivalry between God and Satan for the possession

of the universe. Men are in constant risk of going over to God's Enemy and

God's wrath is directed against them when they are suspected of having done so.


Eighthly, as monotheism centers in a Monarch, who is an absolute Ruler, the chief thing for

His subjects is to know His will. The Divine Will is the only guide for man in

his conduct on the earth. How to know the will of God? He sends His messengers

(Prophets) on earth to make His will known to mankind. Those men are virtuous

who bow to His will and make it prevail on earth as in heaven. Those are

sinners who disobey or defy His will or-it comes to that--the prophet who

conveys the will to mankind.


Religion, here, is the exercise by man of his own will to force himself to obey the Will

of God.


The difficulty with monotheism is that its prophets are not universally accepted. As a result there has been acute rivalry between monotheistic creeds, each claiming an exclusive relation with

the Ultimate Being.

Stick to Hinduism your understanding of monotheism is flawed, first of all not all monotheistic faiths even adhere to one standard of monotheism itself. For the Christians 1+1+1=1 makes perfect sense whereas for Jews and Muslims it would not. Also some sects of Christianity (although a minority) believe in Dualism. As for gender I will not speak for Jews but while Christians call God our Father, all Muslim sects agree that God's gender is not something we can determine as God himself may not even adhere to our concept of Gender. Those who give God a gender do so in order to relate better, this a human concept of giving things anthropomorphic qualities. Hence while most scholars agree that it is Ok to call God he, him, father or w.e that it should be made clear that these terms do not necessarily bind God to our concept of gender. The Quran uses the pronouns hu and huwa to refer to Allah and those terms can be translated as him or simply as it. Arabic holds the same for the female pronoun hiya which can be translated as her or it.

That being said even the Christian usage of our father may be metaphorical depending on the sect of Christianity but I will leave it to a Christian to explain best. Perhaps @seiko

Oh and you should watch your mouth when calling other beliefs as cults, even some Hindus adhere to a monotheistic philosophy and your Dharma brother Sikhs also believe in a strict form of monotheism.
 
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Stick to Hinduism your understanding of monotheism is flawed, first of all not all monotheistic faiths even adhere to one standard of monotheism itself. For the Christians 1+1+1=1 makes perfect sense whereas for Jews and Muslims it would not. Also some sects of Christianity (although a minority) believe in Dualism. As for gender I will not speak for Jews but while Christians call God our Father, all Muslim sects agree that God's gender is not something we can determine as God himself may not even adhere to our concept of Gender. Those who give God a gender do so in order to relate better, this a human concept of giving things anthropomorphic qualities. Hence while most scholars agree that it is Ok to call God he, him, father or w.e that it should be made clear that these terms do not necessarily bind God to our concept of gender. The Quran uses the pronouns hu and huwa to refer to Allah and those terms can be translated as him or simple as it. Arabic holds the same for the female pronoun hiya which can be translated as her or it.

That being said even the Christian usage of our father may be metaphorical depending on the sect of Christianity but I will leave it to a Christian to explain best. Perhaps @seiko

Oh and you should watch your mouth when calling other beliefs as cults, even some Hindus adhere to a monotheistic philosophy and your Dharma brother Sikhs also believe in a strict form of monotheism.

What was written above described monotheism perfectly as understood by majority monotheists (Christians), exceptions not withstanding. It was not metaphorical either given the literal interpretation throughout Church's history. Now, Muslims might have a different interpretation but it is not all that different. Allah in Muslims mind is mainly a male and that is how people relate to him. Referring to Allah with a feminine pronoun would have serious consequences, regardless of your trying to explain it away as Arabic grammar.
 
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LOL at your translation ........... its clear from your copy paste job you know NOTHING of sanskrit or anything of Hinduism.

Sarva = all
dharman = Righteous duties (not religion :lol:)
vraja = place that god protects (Braj Mohan = protected by krishna)
saranam = shelter (not surrender :P)
Saranam vraja = (to take) shelter under god
papebhyo = papa abhayam = safety from sin (NOT sinful reaction :lol: )
sucah = worry (not fear)
moksayisyami = will Liberate (not deliver :lol: )
Below is the correct translation.. sarva-dharman --all varieties of religion; parityajya --abandoning; mam --unto Me; ekam--only; saranam --surrender; vraja --go;
aham--I; tvam--you; sarva--all; papebhyah-- from sinful reactions; moksayisyami --deliver; ma --not; sucah--worry.
TRANSLATION......
Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction. Do not fear......
The term 'Dharmam'also denotes 'religion' and 'Sharanam' for 'surrender'in Sanskrit.(Check any authentic Sanskrit dictionary)...
 
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