Arvind Khejriwal resigned as Delhi CM !

[MilSpec]

I am not aware is this is evident to others, but a strong anti corruption bill seems to be opposed by Print Media, Etrx media, and all political parties in India except AAP.......... WHY?

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Absolutely not., this was the right decision to take. most senior member her are trying to potray that Arvind is being a cry baby and resigning for not getting his way. On contrary the objective was simple to bring a strong anti graft bill... Both Congress and BJP stonewalled this to ensure that their corrupt jleaders remain safe.

There is no poin in forming a government when congress which is supposedly in support stonewalls key decisions which are imperative to the AAP's prime agendas. I totally support reelection in delhi... Congress will end up losing the rest of the 6 seats and Bjp will fare even worse....

I don';t share ur optimism atm,but its good for the nation if ur proved right.

 

[MilSpec]

I can understand the rush to introduce the bills, but I don't understand the rush to resign.

Had him and his party persisted the bill would have passed sooner or later, maybe in a month or two, as compared to atleast 6-8 months now, which is when the fresh elections will be held. That too mind you , if he is party does to come to power at all!

So do you still think he resigned on principle, and that he resigned because he wanted to implement these bills at the earliest?

If there are fresh election, it would be a sore sight for BJP and Congress...

 

[Jaggu]

I am not aware is this is evident to others, but a strong anti corruption bill seems to be opposed by Print Media, Etrx media, and all political parties in India except AAP.......... WHY?

That is the question the Ghandi pariwar supporters and Modibots do not want to answer

 

[Roybot]

If there are fresh election, it would be a sore sight for BJP and Congress...

So the resignation was to create a "sore sight" for the BJP and Congress( read political mileage), and not so much about the anti corruption, and principles and blah blah blah?

 

[arp2041]

How does a anti graft bill has financial implications from Capital expenditure standpoint??? and is there any action in the real world that does not have financial implications???

Sir, the setting up of the LOKPAL OFFICE will demand financial funding from the center as Delhi does not have full state powers like other states...........Kejriwal has mastered the art of Politics, he din't wanted to go through the right process nor did he wanted to wait for Delhi HC decision on the same (which will in all probability, declare the tabling of the bill as unconstitutional). I mean, if he really wanted to do the right thing, than why not go through the right process??? If he doesn't trust the LG/Center than atleast wait for Delhi HC's decision.

 

[jaunty]

Did he ask the opinion of the people of Delhi before resigning like the drama he did before forming the govt?

 

[MilSpec]

What most people fail to realise is : Both congress and BJP are terrified of a strong Anti graft bill, because a strong anti graft bill will put 90% of the top leadership of the country behind bars....

When Anna and arvind were fighting for it on the streets, the top leaders made fun of these guys and said, if you want to change the system fight elections....

Now when they fought elections and made government - these same opposing leaders said they cannot govern,

When they started introducing bills in the assembly- the retort was "what's the hurry"

At the end of the day every one knows if a strong anti curroption bills passes and works in delhi, rest of the nation will see and replicate... and eventually Sonia, rahul gandhi and company will have to live in exile in Italy.... most of SP and BSP will be behind bars.... NCP, congress, MNS and SS will lose half it's leaders. All top CPI/CPM and dravidian party leaders will be behind bars.

Thus by all means each of them will pour tons of money to subjugate any issue that AAP brings up.... AAP is playing with pandora's box, and rest of them know it.

 

[lightoftruth]

I would respectfully disagree.

Well legalities are right here for you refer to

http://delhiassembly.nic.in/constitution.htm


There is no wording the consititution where it says that governement cannot introduce any anti graft bill.....I am not making any assumption on your intellect, so I would request to you from refraining to adjudicate my gullibility.




(1)As from the date of commencement of the Constitution (Sixty-ninth Amendment) Act, 1991 the Union Territory of Delhi shall be called the National Capital Territory) and the administrator thereof appointed under article 239 shall be designated as the Lieutenant Governor.

(2) (a) There shall be a Legislative Assembly for the National Capital Territory of Delhi and the seats in such Assembly shall be filled by members chosen by direct election from territorial constituencies in the National Capital Territory.

(b) The total number of seats in the Legislative Assembly, the number of seats reserved for scheduled castes, the division of the National Capital Territory into territorial constituencies (including the basis for such division) and all other matters relating to the functioning of the Legislative Assembly shall be regulated by law made by Parliament.

(c)The provisions of articles 324 to 327 and 329 shall apply in relation to the National Capital Territory, the Legislative Assembly of the National Capital Territory and the members thereof as they apply, in relation to a State, the Legislative Assembly of a State and the members thereof respectively and any reference in articles 326 and 329 to “appropriate Legislature” shall be deemed to be a reference to Parliament.

(3) (a) Subject to the provisions of the Constitution, the Legislative Assembly shall have power to make laws for the whole or any part of the National Capital Territory with respect to any of the matters enumerated in the State of List or in the Concurrent List in so far as any such matter is applicable to Union territories except matters with respect to Entries 1,2, and 18 of the State List and Entries 44, 65 and 66 of that List in so far as they relate to the said Entries 1,2,and 18.

(b)Nothing in sub-clause (a) shall derogate from the powers of Parliament under this constitution to make laws with respect to any matter for a Union Territory or any part thereof.

(c)If any provision of a law made by the Legislative Assembly with respect to any matter is repugnant to any provision of a law made by Parliament with respect to that matter, whether passed before or after the law made by the Legislative Assembly, or of an earlier law, other than a law made by the Legislative Assembly, then, in either case, the law made by Parliament, or , as the case may be, such earlier law, shall prevail and the law made by the Legislative Assembly shall, to the extent of the repugnancy, be void;



Provided that if any such law made by the Legislative Assembly has been reserved for the consideration of the President and has received his assent such law shall prevail in National Capital Territory ;

Provided further that nothing in this sub-clause shall prevent Parliament from enacting at any time any law with respect to the same matter including a law adding to, amending, varying or repealing the law so made by the Legislative Assembly.

(4) There shall be a Council of Ministers consisting of not more than ten percent, of the total number of members in the Legislative Assembly, with the Chief Minister at the head to aid and advise the Lieutenant Governor in the exercise to his functions in relation to matters with respect to which the Legislative Assembly has power to make laws, except in so far as he is, by or under any law, required to act in his discretion.

Provided that in the case of difference of opinion between the Lieutenant Governor and his Ministers on any matter, the Lieutenant Governor shall refer it to the President for decision and act according to the decision given thereon by the President and pending such decision it shall be competent for the Lieutenant Governor in any case where the matter, in his opinion, is so urgent that it is necessary for him to take immediate action, to take such action or to give such direction in the matter as he deems necessary.

(5)The Chief Minister shall be appointed by the President and the other Ministers shall be appointed by the President on the advice of the Chief Minister and the Ministers shall hold office during the pleasure of the President.

(6)The Council of Ministers shall be collectively responsible to the Legislative Assembly.

(7) (a) Parliament may, by law, make provisions for giving effect to, or supplementing provisions contained in the foregoing clauses and for all matter incidental or consequential thereto .

* (b)Any such law as is referred to in sub-clause (a) shall not be deemed to be an amendment of this constitution for the purposes of article 368 not withstanding that it contains any provision which amends or has the effect of amending this constitution.

{*Inserted by section 3 of the Constitution (Seventieth Amendment) Act, 1992, (w.e.f 21-12-1991)}

(8)The Provisions of article 239 B shall, so far as may be, apply in relation to the National Capital Territory, the Lieutenant Governor and the Legislative Assembly, as they apply in relation to the Union Territory of Pondicherry, the administrator and its Legislature respectively; and any reference in that article to “clause (1) of article 239 A” shall be deemed to be a reference to this article or article 239 AB, as the case may be.

I would respectfully disagree.

Well legalities are right here for you refer to

http://delhiassembly.nic.in/constitution.htm


There is no wording the consititution where it says that governement cannot introduce any anti graft bill.....I am not making any assumption on your intellect, so I would request to you from refraining to adjudicate my gullibility.




(1)As from the date of commencement of the Constitution (Sixty-ninth Amendment) Act, 1991 the Union Territory of Delhi shall be called the National Capital Territory) and the administrator thereof appointed under article 239 shall be designated as the Lieutenant Governor.

(2) (a) There shall be a Legislative Assembly for the National Capital Territory of Delhi and the seats in such Assembly shall be filled by members chosen by direct election from territorial constituencies in the National Capital Territory.

(b) The total number of seats in the Legislative Assembly, the number of seats reserved for scheduled castes, the division of the National Capital Territory into territorial constituencies (including the basis for such division) and all other matters relating to the functioning of the Legislative Assembly shall be regulated by law made by Parliament.

(c)The provisions of articles 324 to 327 and 329 shall apply in relation to the National Capital Territory, the Legislative Assembly of the National Capital Territory and the members thereof as they apply, in relation to a State, the Legislative Assembly of a State and the members thereof respectively and any reference in articles 326 and 329 to “appropriate Legislature” shall be deemed to be a reference to Parliament.

(3) (a) Subject to the provisions of the Constitution, the Legislative Assembly shall have power to make laws for the whole or any part of the National Capital Territory with respect to any of the matters enumerated in the State of List or in the Concurrent List in so far as any such matter is applicable to Union territories except matters with respect to Entries 1,2, and 18 of the State List and Entries 44, 65 and 66 of that List in so far as they relate to the said Entries 1,2,and 18.

(b)Nothing in sub-clause (a) shall derogate from the powers of Parliament under this constitution to make laws with respect to any matter for a Union Territory or any part thereof.

(c)If any provision of a law made by the Legislative Assembly with respect to any matter is repugnant to any provision of a law made by Parliament with respect to that matter, whether passed before or after the law made by the Legislative Assembly, or of an earlier law, other than a law made by the Legislative Assembly, then, in either case, the law made by Parliament, or , as the case may be, such earlier law, shall prevail and the law made by the Legislative Assembly shall, to the extent of the repugnancy, be void;



Provided that if any such law made by the Legislative Assembly has been reserved for the consideration of the President and has received his assent such law shall prevail in National Capital Territory ;

Provided further that nothing in this sub-clause shall prevent Parliament from enacting at any time any law with respect to the same matter including a law adding to, amending, varying or repealing the law so made by the Legislative Assembly.

(4) There shall be a Council of Ministers consisting of not more than ten percent, of the total number of members in the Legislative Assembly, with the Chief Minister at the head to aid and advise the Lieutenant Governor in the exercise to his functions in relation to matters with respect to which the Legislative Assembly has power to make laws, except in so far as he is, by or under any law, required to act in his discretion.

Provided that in the case of difference of opinion between the Lieutenant Governor and his Ministers on any matter, the Lieutenant Governor shall refer it to the President for decision and act according to the decision given thereon by the President and pending such decision it shall be competent for the Lieutenant Governor in any case where the matter, in his opinion, is so urgent that it is necessary for him to take immediate action, to take such action or to give such direction in the matter as he deems necessary.

(5)The Chief Minister shall be appointed by the President and the other Ministers shall be appointed by the President on the advice of the Chief Minister and the Ministers shall hold office during the pleasure of the President.

(6)The Council of Ministers shall be collectively responsible to the Legislative Assembly.

(7) (a) Parliament may, by law, make provisions for giving effect to, or supplementing provisions contained in the foregoing clauses and for all matter incidental or consequential thereto .

* (b)Any such law as is referred to in sub-clause (a) shall not be deemed to be an amendment of this constitution for the purposes of article 368 not withstanding that it contains any provision which amends or has the effect of amending this constitution.

{*Inserted by section 3 of the Constitution (Seventieth Amendment) Act, 1992, (w.e.f 21-12-1991)}

(8)The Provisions of article 239 B shall, so far as may be, apply in relation to the National Capital Territory, the Lieutenant Governor and the Legislative Assembly, as they apply in relation to the Union Territory of Pondicherry, the administrator and its Legislature respectively; and any reference in that article to “clause (1) of article 239 A” shall be deemed to be a reference to this article or article 239 AB, as the case may be.

That is not even a point of discussion

"The Cabinet of the government of NCT of Delhi in its decision no. 2111 dated 03/02/2014 has approved the proposal of setting up of Janlokpal in the Govt of NCT of Delhi. The Cabinet further approved that the bill will be taken up in the Assembly. It has been brought to my notice that the above referred "Janlokpal Bill" is being introduced during the current session for consideration in the Legislative Assembly of Govt of National Capital territory of Delhi, commencing on 13th February, 2014.

"As per section 22(3) of the Govt of NCT of Delhi Act, 1991, the said bill, being a "Financial Bill" is to be sent to the Lt. Governor for recommendation, and as per Rule 55(1) of Transaction of Business of Govt of NCT Rules, 1993, the Lt. Governor is required to make a prior reference to the Central Govt before being introduced in the Legislative Assembly. The said Bill has not yet been duly placed before me by the Govt of NCT of Delhi.

"As the Janlokpal Bill is being introduced in the Legislative Assembly without following the procedure indicated above, I hereby send the "message" under section 9(2) of the Govt of NCT of Delhi Act, 1991, to the Legislative Assembly, not to consider the Bill unless it is introduced with the recommendation of the Lt Governor.

"This message may kindly be informed to the Assembly before the above referred Bill is introduced during the sitting of the current session.

Sd/- Najeeb Jung, Lt Governor "

the bill was unconstitutional, unless ppl believe they are better at understanding constitution than the ppl assigned to do it.

 

[MilSpec]

Sir, the setting up of the LOKPAL OFFICE will demand financial funding from the center as Delhi does not have full state powers like other states...........Kejriwal has mastered the art of Politics, he din't wanted to go through the right process nor did he wanted to wait for Delhi HC decision on the same (which will in all probability, declare the tabling of the bill as unconstitutional). I mean, if he really wanted to do the right thing, than why not go through the right process??? If he doesn't trust the LG/Center than atleast wait for Delhi HC's decision.

Now this doesn't make any sense to me. I am a very common man. I am affected by corruption. I elect a party that promises to bring significant anti graft measure. The party tables a bill for the same, and now the LG tells me you cannot do that... Then why have elections to begin with....

If this is in the constitution, then state gov't should have no powers as every aspect of administrations has financial implications thus no roads, no hospitals, no security no nothing....

If LG claims this is unconstitutional, then there needs to be some amendments,

That is not even a point of discussion

"The Cabinet of the government of NCT of Delhi in its decision no. 2111 dated 03/02/2014 has approved the proposal of setting up of Janlokpal in the Govt of NCT of Delhi. The Cabinet further approved that the bill will be taken up in the Assembly. It has been brought to my notice that the above referred "Janlokpal Bill" is being introduced during the current session for consideration in the Legislative Assembly of Govt of National Capital territory of Delhi, commencing on 13th February, 2014.

"As per section 22(3) of the Govt of NCT of Delhi Act, 1991, the said bill, being a "Financial Bill" is to be sent to the Lt. Governor for recommendation, and as per Rule 55(1) of Transaction of Business of Govt of NCT Rules, 1993, the Lt. Governor is required to make a prior reference to the Central Govt before being introduced in the Legislative Assembly. The said Bill has not yet been duly placed before me by the Govt of NCT of Delhi.

"As the Janlokpal Bill is being introduced in the Legislative Assembly without following the procedure indicated above, I hereby send the "message" under section 9(2) of the Govt of NCT of Delhi Act, 1991, to the Legislative Assembly, not to consider the Bill unless it is introduced with the recommendation of the Lt Governor.

"This message may kindly be informed to the Assembly before the above referred Bill is introduced during the sitting of the current session.

Sd/- Najeeb Jung, Lt Governor "

the bill was unconstitutional, unless ppl believe they are better at understanding constitution than the ppl assigned to do it.

The unconstitutional part of it is : the Lt. Governor is required to make a prior reference to the Central Govt before being introduced in the Legislative Assembly. The said Bill has not yet been duly placed before me by the Govt of NCT of Delhi.

In other words Mr. Jung needs aproval from P.M to pass a bill that will potentially implicate Sonia gandhi's son in law, Shiela Dikshit and so on.... I wonder why, the LG couldn't read the bill and call the finance ministry... I am sure we have enough money to set up a lokpal office in delhi. If nothing Delhi govt would have paid for it... Was the LG that busy that he could spare a day to read the bill??

Sir, the setting up of the LOKPAL OFFICE will demand financial funding from the center as Delhi does not have full state powers like other states...........Kejriwal has mastered the art of Politics, he din't wanted to go through the right process nor did he wanted to wait for Delhi HC decision on the same (which will in all probability, declare the tabling of the bill as unconstitutional). I mean, if he really wanted to do the right thing, than why not go through the right process??? If he doesn't trust the LG/Center than atleast wait for Delhi HC's decision.

You know the merit of what I am implying. Answer honestly, what is the real reason behind not letting a strong Lokpal bill in Delhi? is it really that LG needs permision from finance ministry? or is there a bigger story there?

 

[arp2041]

Now this doesn't make any sense to me. I am a very common man. I am affected by corruption. I elect a party that promises to bring significant anti graft measure. The party tables a bill for the same, and now the LG tells me you cannot do that... Then why have elections to begin with....

If this is in the constitution, then state gov't should have no powers as every aspect of administrations has financial implications thus no roads, no hospitals, no security no nothing....

If LG claims this is unconstitutional, then there needs to be some amendments,

Sir, you aren't understanding the point. No one is against the bill, it's the unconstitutional step that the AAP govt. was taking.

& Delhi isn't a full fledged state, many powers are with the Center.

Do you think Kejriwal tabled the bill because he wanted good for people?? NO...he did all this DRAMA so that he can be seen as a great Martyr so that he gain political mileage ahead of LS elections.

P.S. Sorry to say Sir, if educated people like you are easily fooled by his Drama, i don't even want to think about the uneducated class.

 

[ranjeet]

Now this doesn't make any sense to me. I am a very common man. I am affected by corruption. I elect a party that promises to bring significant anti graft measure. The party tables a bill for the same, and now the LG tells me you cannot do that... Then why have elections to begin with....

If this is in the constitution, then state gov't should have no powers as every aspect of administrations has financial implications thus no roads, no hospitals, no security no nothing....

If LG claims this is unconstitutional, then there needs to be some amendments,

AAP knew before introducing the anti graft bill that it was unconstitutional, they still went ahead in a confrontational way to come out of it looking like a martyr.

Regarding developmental funds, AAP wanted to give subsidy on electricity from these development funds.

 

[MilSpec]

So the resignation was to create a "sore sight" for the BJP and Congress( read political mileage), and not so much about the anti corruption, and principles and blah blah blah?

I am not a AAP spokes person, I just said it would be pretty bad for congress and Bjp if there are re elections. and to an extent you know that too

 

[majesticpankaj]

Now this doesn't make any sense to me. I am a very common man. I am affected by corruption. I elect a party that promises to bring significant anti graft measure. The party tables a bill for the same, and now the LG tells me you cannot do that... Then why have elections to begin with....

If this is in the constitution, then state gov't should have no powers as every aspect of administrations has financial implications thus no roads, no hospitals, no security no nothing....

If LG claims this is unconstitutional, then there needs to be some amendments,




The unconstitutional part of it is : the Lt. Governor is required to make a prior reference to the Central Govt before being introduced in the Legislative Assembly. The said Bill has not yet been duly placed before me by the Govt of NCT of Delhi.

In other words Mr. Jung needs aproval from P.M to pass a bill that will potentially implicate Sonia gandhi's son in law, Shiela Dikshit and so on.... I wonder why, the LG couldn't read the bill and call the finance ministry... I am sure we have enough money to set up a lokpal office in delhi. If nothing Delhi govt would have paid for it... Was the LG that busy that he could spare a day to read the bill??



You know the merit of what I am implying. Answer honestly, what is the real reason behind not letting a strong Lokpal bill in Delhi? is it really that LG needs permision from finance ministry? or is there a bigger story there?

who will do the amendments ???

 

[Skull and Bones]

Yeh kya chutiappa chal raha hai Delhi me?