Arrangements made for Baloch leader Brahamdagh Bugti’s stay in India

[mastaan]

They days of struggle is long gone. Pretty much most of these projects will be in violation of the IWT since these dam's have excess storage capacity that can potentially do much damage to pakistan.

So its nice to be in a position to call the shots.

I do not think we have lost any standing, in fact our hard stand and surgical strikes has made us look good in global eyes and stature. The Global community have been waiting for us to take a hard stand and lead the way. Unfortunately it required a Modi to come to power and show us how its done.

I know how it feels today... But today we can command that premium from the world because our conduct in our history has been spic and span clean... So, let us not oodle it all on Modi...

If we push excessively, all it will take is a single statement from a US or a Russia to try and pacify Indian sentiment and that will suddenly translate into calls for interference into Kashmir... (I must admit, that i do hate that all such discussions are always about kashmir, as if jammu doesn't exit... It does and is more nationalist than the rest of many places - i know that because i am from there)... But, i'd still beg to differ on excessive posturing... objective is achieved... time to move on the next step of our own economic growth (while keeping the pressure high on dismantling terror factories across the border)

 

[hassan zohaib]

I have made my point. There is noting left to debate.

We only have something to talk AFTER you change your mind . So when you do that, let me know.

same i said that you made your point and i made mine but whose one was logical. its a matter of concern.
you know i dont put myself into "my words against yours". so thnx

Interesting.

1- LeT aka JuD is banned terrorist organisation under UN. Can you deny Hafiz Saeed lead role in JuD? Or him being founding member of LeT?

2- Massod Azhar - again founder of banned terror org JeM. Please tell me how was he got released from Indian prison? IC814 hijack?

Based on UN, these people and their assets are freezed all over the world. They can only roam within Pakistan or in some other friendly states under disguise.

i know and agree but who donot know how and in which circumstances these organization were declared as terrorist organizations. i am not saying they did not do some action which are categorized in terrorism but i am saying if they did then bring the evidence before ICJ and get it sort out. why just play for maligning maligning to each other.

 

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i know and agree but who donot know how and in which circumstances these organization were declared as terrorist organizations. i am not saying they did not do some action which are categorized in terrorism but i am saying if they did then bring the evidence before ICJ and get it sort out. why just play for maligning maligning to each other.

UNSC do not sanctions individual or an org on whims but only when proofs are there and based on the consensus.

QDe.118 Name: LASHKAR-E-TAYYIBA A.k.a.: a) Lashkar-e-Toiba b) Lashkar-i-Taiba c) al Mansoorian d) al Mansooreen e) Army of the Pure f) Army of the Righteous g) Army of the Pure and Righteous h) Paasban-e-Kashmir i) Paasban-i-Ahle-Hadith j) Pasban-eKashmir k) Pasban-e-Ahle-Hadith l) Paasban-e-Ahle-Hadis m) Pashan-e-ahle Hadis n) Lashkar e Tayyaba o) LET p) Jamaat-ud-Dawa q) JUD r) Jama'at al-Dawa s) Jamaat ud-Daawa t) Jamaat ul-Dawah u) Jamaat-ul-Dawa v) Jama'at-i-Dawat w) Jamaiat-ud-Dawa x) Jama'at-ud-Da'awah y) Jama'at-ud-Da'awa z) Jamaati-ud-Dawa aa) Falahi-Insaniat Foundation (FIF) F.k.a.: na Address: na Listed on: 2 May 2005 ( amended on 3 Nov. 2005, 10 Dec. 2008, 14 Mar. 2012 ) Other information: Associated with Hafiz Muhammad Saeed (QDi.263) who is the leader of Lashkar-e-Tayyiba. Review pursuant to Security Council resolution 1822 (2008) was concluded on 8 Jun. 2010.

UNSC Sanctions list
https://scsanctions.un.org/fop/fop?...xml&xslt=htdocs/resources/xsl/en/al-qaida.xsl

The reason why there in no point in reaching out to ICJ despite UNSC sanctioning them is that ICJ do not have any jurisdiction over any state. Its all voluntary. If one can defy UN, what extra value ICJ hold?

Your action or say inaction can cause isolation at best. No international body can force you and your sovereignty.

 

[Vanamali]

Now we have the right to conduct a surgical to hit him

Welcome and try doing it...

 

[Kaniska]

it would actually give reason Pak and china to openly support antagonistic leaders of India as well but it would depend on individual countries whether they will carry the same strategy or not. like Pak cant openly support indian rebels but for the pressure tactics, IMO, pak is going to do the same.

Why are you under impression that Pakistan is not doing it till now? Pakistan is a base nation for all anti Indian terrorist, gangsters and nationals from long time...

 

[hassan zohaib]

@ TISSOT

UNSC do not sanctions individual or an org on whims but only when proofs are there and based on the consensus.

QDe.118 Name: LASHKAR-E-TAYYIBA A.k.a.: a) Lashkar-e-Toiba b) Lashkar-i-Taiba c) al Mansoorian d) al Mansooreen e) Army of the Pure f) Army of the Righteous g) Army of the Pure and Righteous h) Paasban-e-Kashmir i) Paasban-i-Ahle-Hadith j) Pasban-eKashmir k) Pasban-e-Ahle-Hadith l) Paasban-e-Ahle-Hadis m) Pashan-e-ahle Hadis n) Lashkar e Tayyaba o) LET p) Jamaat-ud-Dawa q) JUD r) Jama'at al-Dawa s) Jamaat ud-Daawa t) Jamaat ul-Dawah u) Jamaat-ul-Dawa v) Jama'at-i-Dawat w) Jamaiat-ud-Dawa x) Jama'at-ud-Da'awah y) Jama'at-ud-Da'awa z) Jamaati-ud-Dawa aa) Falahi-Insaniat Foundation (FIF) F.k.a.: na Address: na Listed on: 2 May 2005 ( amended on 3 Nov. 2005, 10 Dec. 2008, 14 Mar. 2012 ) Other information: Associated with Hafiz Muhammad Saeed (QDi.263) who is the leader of Lashkar-e-Tayyiba. Review pursuant to Security Council resolution 1822 (2008) was concluded on 8 Jun. 2010.

UNSC Sanctions list
https://scsanctions.un.org/fop/fop?...xml&xslt=htdocs/resources/xsl/en/al-qaida.xsl

The reason why there in no point in reaching out to ICJ despite UNSC sanctioning them is that ICJ do not have any jurisdiction over any state. Its all voluntary. If one can defy UN, what extra value ICJ hold?

Your action or say inaction can cause isolation at best. No international body can force you and your sovereignty.

i know whims are not taken into account but it is only for the weaker states. tell me that was any investigation carried out by UN? or they did simply ban on your evidences and lobbying? we are aware of the fact that only principle which matters in UN is " might is right". so it is a fact that Pak-india both play politics politics on the grounds only favor to them. so when America can get the right from UN for attack in IRAQ only on their agencies reports then how could you say that the decision UN did by banning JuD was right?

if you go to ICJ and present strong case and a investigation is carried out and then you get JuD declared as terrorist state then there would not be a case for defying etc.

agreed. but according to Newton`s law " every action has equal and opposite reaction ". so if you do or we do or whosoever take action then reaction is always befitting b/w countries. so dont say you are always right or we are always wrong but simply those whosoever has power cant go into isolation no matter what action it takes. if we are in isolation, according to yyou, then only it is because we dont have power on intl. arena. simple

Why are you under impression that Pakistan is not doing it till now? Pakistan is a base nation for all anti Indian terrorist, gangsters and nationals from long time...

As for Pakistan, India is a base state for all anti-pakistan terrorist, gangsters and national from long time and which has taken more than 65000 precious lives of ordinary Pakistanis.

if i am under impression of Pak`s innocence then you are not the exception as well. so how could we come on the same page? actually we cant... and fighting continues. but there is one way and that is " why dont we give space to peace by eradicating the base for all of this i-e Kashmir

 

[hassan zohaib]

Why did you tag me ?

just answering about your strong argument type of thing.

 

[Sanchez]

Why are you under impression that Pakistan is not doing it till now? Pakistan is a base nation for all anti Indian terrorist, gangsters and nationals from long time...

Assamese? Manipuris? Naxalites?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

If 2 serving Indian Prime Ministers can be taken out, this sucker can be taken out too. What an egg would that be on India's face? @Icarus @Irfan Baloch @Oscar @Hyperion @Kepler22b

lovely

and the best part will be that he is taken out by his Indian hosts.. say an RSS scumbag who just kills him for having Pakistani roots.

 

[Sanchez]

No statement from US or Russia or UN can change the status of ANY state of India. The only thing we look forward to is change the state of Balochistan to a free country. This is no posturing, this is a simple reality of the world today. Our desire to free the people of Balochistan.

Our Economic growth is independent of our desire to free Balochistan and it will continue to be so for the next two decade.

Is there anything else ?

It's a lot easier to help NE india or Kashmir to become free countries, if China and Pakistan desire to do so!

 

[hassan zohaib]

LOL..... which is why I told you right in the beginning that UNLIKE OTHER FOOLISH Indians I will not be wasting my time debating with you.

Only a fool would debate with someone who demonstrated Bad Faith. Such debates should be settled with a large stick or a kick to the @ss.

yeah but you are doing so for a while. then who you really are?

ok buddy keep your good faith with yourself and let me have mine bad one. and you would not need to carry a stick you could have said about Surgical strike and i would quit.
ok thnx buddy

 

[Kaniska]

@ TISSOT
i know whims are not taken into account but it is only for the weaker states. tell me that was any investigation carried out by UN? or they did simply ban on your evidences and lobbying? we are aware of the fact that only principle which matters in UN is " might is right". so it is a fact that Pak-india both play politics politics on the grounds only favor to them. so when America can get the right from UN for attack in IRAQ only on their agencies reports then how could you say that the decision UN did by banning JuD was right?

if you go to ICJ and present strong case and a investigation is carried out and then you get JuD declared as terrorist state then there would not be a case for defying etc.

agreed. but according to Newton`s law " every action has equal and opposite reaction ". so if you do or we do or whosoever take action then reaction is always befitting b/w countries. so dont say you are always right or we are always wrong but simply those whosoever has power cant go into isolation no matter what action it takes. if we are in isolation, according to yyou, then only it is because we dont have power on intl. arena. simple


As for Pakistan, India is a base state for all anti-pakistan terrorist, gangsters and national from long time and which has taken more than 65000 precious lives of ordinary Pakistanis.

if i am under impression of Pak`s innocence then you are not the exception as well. so how could we come on the same page? actually we cant... and fighting continues. but there is one way and that is " why dont we give space to peace by eradicating the base for all of this i-e Kashmir

I agree with you..But think rationally, why would a country will just give away land because some one else is asking for it?
In this age, think rationally, is it possible? There was a possibility that Kashmir valley people and their concerns were addressed by our leaders in the past...But with the rise of BJP into Indian politics, any concession given by any Non BJP parties to Kashmir, will be a death knell for them.

But one thing for sure, if India and Pakistan can not sort out Kashmir issue under Modi who has full majority in Gov, it is very difficult for any Non BJP gov to take any stand on this issue.

 

[Imran Khan]

case closed for him . no one in pakistan will support now this idiot

 

[hassan zohaib]

It's a lot easier to Free TIBET if India and Tibet desires to do so


Do you really want to play that card ? Go check with your CCP.



Making a passionate plea for Free Balochistan, same as the Govt. of India.

I am glad that now we have an understanding.

hahahahahah
as i said let me have my bad faith. thnx

I agree with you..But think rationally, why would a country will just give away land because some one else is asking for it?
In this age, think rationally, is it possible? There was a possibility that Kashmir valley people and their concerns were addressed by our leaders in the past...But with the rise of BJP into Indian politics, any concession given by any Non BJP parties to Kashmir, will be a death knell for them.

But one thing for sure, if India and Pakistan can not sort out Kashmir issue under Modi who has full majority in Gov, it is very difficult for any Non BJP gov to take any stand on this issue.

i am thinking rationally and i said earlier that Pak is not asking for Kashmir because it want to but we are supporting Kashmir because it is our moral right to do so because its a disputed territory. suppose if Pak support Khalistan then Pak definitely interferes in your internal matter but here is opposite case.
I dont know which American president said that Kashmir issue can only be solved by only Hindu exteremist. now even it is not being solved then its only because that India has started to tread on the way of extreme nationalism and IMO, India is in state which i call " delusional success before success".

 

[Areesh]

Always in denial, how about this ?

But as long as you agree with me and GoI that these dam's are nothing but Run of River projects, I am not complaining. I say more power to you and your kind

As I said before. Anything that satisfies your fantasy kid. Anything that gives you solace after Uri.