Arrangements made for Baloch leader Brahamdagh Bugti’s stay in India

[Areesh]

You are mistaking pleasure for solace. Hearing you forced to parrot the views of the GoI about how these projects are 'Run of River' projects brings me immense pleasure.

I am so glad we had this conversation. I look forward to more

Whatever. Enjoy this "pleasure" while you are not banned.

Your country has send so many jokers like you to this forum that it looks useless to answer your empty threats.

 

[truthseeker2010]

lovely

and the best part will be that he is taken out by his Indian hosts.. say an RSS scumbag who just kills him for having Pakistani roots.

If 2 serving Indian Prime Ministers can be taken out, this sucker can be taken out too. What an egg would that be on India's face? @Icarus @Irfan Baloch @Oscar @Hyperion @Kepler22b

This will make a good covert ops and teach what surgical strike really is.....

 

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@ TISSOT
i know whims are not taken into account but it is only for the weaker states. tell me that was any investigation carried out by UN? or they did simply ban on your evidences and lobbying? we are aware of the fact that only principle which matters in UN is " might is right". so it is a fact that Pak-india both play politics politics on the grounds only favor to them. so when America can get the right from UN for attack in IRAQ only on their agencies reports then how could you say that the decision UN did by banning JuD was right?

if you go to ICJ and present strong case and a investigation is carried out and then you get JuD declared as terrorist state then there would not be a case for defying etc.

agreed. but according to Newton`s law " every action has equal and opposite reaction ". so if you do or we do or whosoever take action then reaction is always befitting b/w countries. so dont say you are always right or we are always wrong but simply those whosoever has power cant go into isolation no matter what action it takes. if we are in isolation, according to yyou, then only it is because we dont have power on intl. arena. simple

Let me state here two points -
1- ICJ is part of UN only.
2- UNSC decision precede over ICJ.
3- There is no conflict in deciding terror org list. UNSC list the terrorists, and member state can ask for delisting based on facts and proofs provided in against the UNSC decision. No request of de-listing from Pakistan ever applied.

 

[mastaan]

LOL... what premium do we command today ?

In fact we have to Pay MORE for our crude oil than the west, Its called the "Asian Premium" That is our historical legacy. So spare me the Nehruvian oxford school boy moronic view of the world.

No statement from US or Russia or UN can change the status of ANY state of India. The only thing we look forward to is change the state of Balochistan to a free country. This is no posturing, this is a simple reality of the world today. Our desire to free the people of Balochistan.

Our Economic growth is independent of our desire to free Balochistan and it will continue to be so for the next two decade.

Is there anything else ?

Remember what we blame pakistan for? We blame pakistan for jumping into Indian matter over Kashmir and we always say if you create trouble into the house of the neighbor, your own house will not be safe... We can not fall for that fallacy ourself.. Plus Balochistan is not same as east pakistan was... so, if you chose to ignore it, just because today it is convenient - that is fine... But you need to also understand that no one is even acknowledging the rabble rousing about Baluchistan just because a guy spoke about it from red fort...

I don't need to prove my nationalism, but i do want to admit that far right is as dangerous as any other form of extremism... All Germans were nationalist in 1932 and look where that led to... Baloch leader coming to India would be bigger blunder than nehruvian blunder on kashmir.. We need to think of that from angle of diplomacy, and not from any other angle

I have no idea what 'Nehruvian oxford school boy moronic view of the world'.. I guess, you wanted to call me theoretical or old school... I would disagree with that without tryin to get your blood pressure up and leave it at that

 

[Areesh]

Ah well, no one lives forever. Do you best, for I have been pleasured enough.

You had pleasure with a Pakistani dam picture??

Your fantasies troll.

 

[mastaan]

We do not blame them for chanting kashmir, we blame them for Terrorism.

They are free to chant whatever they want for however long they want. It will not make the slightest difference to me.

They have tried their best to stir trouble in our house . There is nothing more they CAN do. Now its our turn, so your fear is groundless.

If no one is acknowledging Balochistan freedom movement, it only means we have to try harder to make them acknowledge it. Its as simple as that. But the truth is that they ARE acknowledging it.

You are entitled to your view on far right, left or center. That is your prerogative and I care nothing for it. You are even free to drag in Godwin Law though it will only serve to show how weak your position is.

Baloch leader coming to India will only follow the long proud tradition of India giving refuge to opressed people in the world. It is very much part of our value system for the past thousands of years. Everybody from Jews, moors, siddhis, parsis, syrians, arabs, chinese, Tibetian etc have found refuge in India. Nothing wrong in providing space for Bugti. Even from the angle of diplomacy. In fact, it a desirable thing from the angle of diplomacy.

One man's freedom fighter is other man's terrorist... ;-)

Not sure, except Indian press and few protests by a few people, who is acknowledging it... No one wants another piece of south asian conflct, whether you like it or not...

 

[hassan zohaib]

You are mistaking pleasure for solace. Hearing you forced to parrot the views of the GoI about how these projects are 'Run of River' projects brings me immense pleasure.

I am so glad we had this conversation. I look forward to more



No problem. You get to keep your bad faith. We get to free balochistan and pakistani rivers. That way we are both happy. lol.

hahahah
ok
just want to say" do if you can'.

 

[hassan zohaib]

Let me state here two points -
1- ICJ is part of UN only.
2- UNSC decision precede over ICJ.
3- There is no conflict in deciding terror org list. UNSC list the terrorists, and member state can ask for delisting based on facts and proofs provided in against the UNSC decision. No request of de-listing from Pakistan ever applied.

buddy i am talking about how things go in reality not on paper. on paper all UN bodies are required to accept the decision of ICJ and UNSC is necessitated to enforce the decision made by ICJ not to supercede it. but in reality sometimes this veto system preceedes ICJ as was done many times especially in NICCARGUA v/s USA case.

i know that procedure but in reality tell me if a smaller country want to declare some organization as terrorist by UNSC and some big power is involved then would it happen ever? tell me if some stronger country want to declare some organization as a terrorist organization then would it be possible for a weaker country to protest over it?

And I just want to say we are doing whatever we can. From Baluchistan to Indus water to Surgical strike to Global isolation.

Are we in agreement ?

yeah yeah we are in agreement over surgical strike which India could not provide evidence for, over IWT which India cant abrogate unilaterally, over global isolation that with all of Indian efforts Russia refused to cancel drills.

 

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buddy i am talking about how things go in reality not on paper. on paper all UN bodies are required to accept the decision of ICJ and UNSC is necessitated to enforce the decision made by ICJ not to supercede it. but in reality sometimes this veto system preceedes ICJ as was done many times especially in NICCARGUA v/s USA case.

i know that procedure but in reality tell me if a smaller country want to declare some organization as terrorist by UNSC and some big power is involved then would it happen ever? tell me if some stronger country want to declare some organization as a terrorist organization then would it be possible for a weaker country to protest over it?

Look, no one deny here that how lopsided UN bodies are toward mightier nation, so will be the ICJ. So if you can question UNSC, you can question ICJ as well.

The point is Pakistan never contested the listing of JuD as terror organisation which can be taken as his tacit acceptance.

Now let us assume that UN is biased and thus we have no body who can be considered as neutral. In this case, lets employ our own sense to figure out things - sense that prevails in educated minds - your and mine.

For an instance - Masood Azhar was released on demand of IC814 hijackers in Kandhar. Do we need an ICJ to figure that out? He is a free roaming man in Pakistan now.

 

[hassan zohaib]

Look, no one deny here that how lopsided UN bodies are toward mightier nation, so will be the ICJ. So if you can question UNSC, you can question ICJ as well.

The point is Pakistan never contested the listing of JuD as terror organisation which can be taken as his tacit acceptance.

Now let us assume that UN is biased and thus we have no body who can be considered as neutral. In this case, lets employ our own sense to figure out things - sense that prevails in educated minds - your and mine.

For an instance - Masood Azhar was released on demand of IC814 hijackers in Kandhar. Do we need an ICJ to figure that out? He is a free roaming man in Pakistan now.

very well. bro you are making me more energised in debating. and atleast you are arguing with logical arguments not otherwise.

OT; ICJ is a tool through which we can solve our problems as well if we agree on its jurisdiction no matter the decision favors which party.
if PAk never contested then you need to remind the circumstances around mumbai attacks. when these happened all the opinions of intl. audience tilted towards India and without even proof Pak has been labeled as a terrorist state. even the attacks were being carried out still and in the midst of attacks Pak was declared a culprit. so to achieve your goal you first created so much hysteria and tensions that Pak had to bow down before international pressure. this was trhe reason why did not Pak contested. even if pak would have done then it would not have matter as 4 vetto powers were at your side so i guess it happened.

on this arguement i would only say culprits should be punished.

 

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very well. bro you are making me more energised in debating. and atleast you are arguing with logical arguments not otherwise.

OT; ICJ is a tool through which we can solve our problems as well if we agree on its jurisdiction no matter the decision favors which party.
if PAk never contested then you need to remind the circumstances around mumbai attacks. when these happened all the opinions of intl. audience tilted towards India and without even proof Pak has been labeled as a terrorist state. even the attacks were being carried out still and in the midst of attacks Pak was declared a culprit. so to achieve your goal you first created so much hysteria and tensions that Pak had to bow down before international pressure. this was trhe reason why did not Pak contested. even if pak would have done then it would not have matter as 4 vetto powers were at your side so i guess it happened.

on this arguement i would only say culprits should be punished.

Very subjective argument I would say. As I said, the world is not emotionally driven, there were ample proofs which are only deniable in Pak court. Rest buy them.

I can see why you simply ignore Azhar case repeatedly in your posts.

 

[Tiger Genie]

@hellfire

Please read this NEW article about surgical strikes

They happened Twice ; but only One was disclosed

https://www.thequint.com/uri-attack...y-brutal-army-india-pakistan-occupied-kashmir

interesting. This actually explains a question mark I had on a TV report on 26th that there was significant movement observed of Pakistani encampments moving from 2 to 5 KMs of LOC back into 10 to 15KMs which actually put them in or close to civilian Pakistani habitats. The hypothesis at that time was that Pakistanis were expecting some action and were protecting their mujahideen assets by placing them inside civilian areas.

But if this is true that there was a non-trivial raid by the Indians, that will perfectly explain the Pakistani encampnet retreats

 

[hassan zohaib]

no doubt worls cant be driven through emotion but economic importance and then circumstances made it so.

i dont know how did you reach at that conclusion but i believe in that" all culprits should be brought to justice if proved".

 

[hassan zohaib]

hahahahahah
ok bhae
i agrred
what am i saying is put your money where your mouth is. so buddy i am waiting.

 

[hassan zohaib]

LOL. This is your lucky day. Your wait is over. I have already provided a list of 15 Dam's that will prove that Indians put our money where our mouth is.

In fact, this thread is also about how the GoI is going to provide refuge to Baluchistan leader Bugti , so that is proof number two.

you know i am enjoying my lucky day.
and i am saying from my very post that this action will have other reactions hence the game will continue you know naa your king and my ruke.