Arrangements made for Baloch leader Brahamdagh Bugti’s stay in India

[Areesh]

Also the Tsunami that hit Indian coast was handwork of them.

Also the pain in your *** is their work

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Also the Tsunami that hit Indian coast was handwork of them.

I just wanted to say that IF we think carefully --

Suppose RAJIV was still alive -- there is NO WAY that BJP could have become so big

And Indira's economic policies were hurting our economy

 

[I.R.A]

We have asked Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW) to provide an assessment on how many Baloch’s living in exile will follow Bugti to India.

Just make sure they look like Baloch ..............

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@hellfire was one of those who had cried 'fake'. He was the one asking for proof. lol.

I will have to ask him ; I dont remember exactly who said what

But there was a chatter going on

This article makes it clear that something happened

 

[third eye]

Not a good decision..

Why ?

like Pak cant openly support indian rebels but for the pressure tactics, IMO, pak is going to do the same.

Whats Pak doing with Masood Azhar ?

in case you missed this.
i think you dont know that Kashmir is a disputed region but Balochistan is a settled area of Pakistan

Wasn't E Pakistan also a settled area of Pakistan ?

 

[Hellfire]

@saiyan0321 Bear with me, will speak from a military-strategic aspect purely.

Do you think it will happen? Harbouring a known terrorist who wants to separate baluchistan is going to make sure pak-india relations never improve.

What makes you think that such a move is not having a tacit backing of a few more countries? Do you think Modi is that dumb to go it alone on this and publicly take the risk of escalating tensions without having done some groundwork?

Lot of countries have a lot of interest in CPEC failing. Being Baluchistan, Iran may also be likely affected by any problem in the area. What is the reason, as per you, that Chabahar is slow going right now? Why do you think there has been no sudden surge in activity over there?

What are your views on US' gains with a de-stabilised Baluchistan and CPEC and strife spread into Baluchistan-Sistan area? Does it fall in line with US interests of dealing with China and SCS and Iran?

What do you think are the Russian views on advantages of China having easy access to Oil from mid-east (bypassing South China Sea) on it's own economy (under sanctions and heavily dependent on oil export to China with very low oil prices prevalent) and the historical aspects of the role of Russian empire and how it spread it's influence into CARs and Siberia? (traditionally and historically more under Chinese influence and control than Russian)

What do you think about the history of trans-Siberian railroad and its influence in spreading Russian influence and control to traditional areas under Chinese control and the Chinese propensity to not forget the lessons from its past and to claim all territories which in past, at any point in time, were under it's suzerainty or sovereignty?

Believe me it will help us alot more than it will help you as everybody would see that you are openly supporting separatism as well as terrorism in pakistan and pakistan has every right to safeguard as well as counter the threat and mission India has embarked upon.

Actually, no. The narrative has changed over to Pakistan being a part of the problem from earlier being a part of solution. It won't help you. It is not helping you.

The thing is so far all i have heard is from your media ( which if you may excuse I don't believe a word from due to recent events) and not much from your govt. I like to give some credit to the modi govt that they are not absolute fools and they will not take this step which will only damage India and the movement. It will be seen as an Indian sponsored movement and pakistan will be vindicated.

I have earlier posted elsewhere that Kashmir is purely an Indian issue. When Pakistan raises it as an issue of dubious union, it does so with the peril of Baluchistan being labelled the same. Am sure you will get the gist. I was ridiculed for this analogy, then Modi made his speech on 15 Aug 2016 and rest, as they say, is history!

You see, both Unions are equally legal and equally illegal. I have no doubts as to the legality of Baluchistan being part of Pakistan, but I expect you to also accept J&K's accession to India if you accept Baluch accession on back of broken promises and assurance and after the Legislative Body there rejected the accession whereas the constituent assembly of J&K accepted the accession and the legislative ratified the union with India.

Altogether a different topic discussed already elsewhere.

https://defence.pk/threads/autonomy...h-to-kashmir-or-a-recipe-for-disaster.440287/

The thing is the movement on the ground is dead. They do terror attacks here and there against civilians which end up killing their own people. The people of Baluchistan do not seek any separation and are now slowly being integrated into pakistan. They hate these groups as they once terrorized Baluchistan and so openly targeted civilians. The harrowing confessions of surrendered fighters are horrific.

That is the case in J&K also. It was Pakistani efforts in 90s to push in Afghanis and other foreigners to boost the flagging insurgency in 1996-97 till 2007 and now again the same cycle is occurring with more and more Pakistani cadres being sent rather than indigenous Kashmiris.

What makes you think that there is anything different? The only difference in between the two is that as of yet you don't have Indian cadres.

One can keep dilly dallying and saying that Pakistanis do not come into Kashmir. Some of the best operations were conducted by your SSG troops acting as local militant commanders. An open secret! Anyways, it is futile to discuss this.

Unlike the jingoistic fans here, you also understand that Baluchistan is not Bangladesh. Infact the only similarity both have is that both are Muslims. Apart from that they are not similar in any sense. To an even equate is to showcase foolishness as well as ignorance of politics, geographical study, current affairs, history and complete disregard for Realpolitik.

I have said it before and I will say it again. The true representatives of Baluchistan are not those sardars you are thinking about harbouring but the ten thousand soldiers of baluch in the army which were inducted in 2000s. Those that are serving in the FC ( which I might add are serving there. Not the army but the FC is present in Baluchistan) and that includes that 879 that joined last month, their families, their friends and those that so openly participated in the electoral process and work for the govt. The common man is the representative.

You will find that the moment Pakistan seriously refrains from fomenting trouble in J&K, there shall hardly be a cause for you to complain about India in Baluchistan. It is, a quid pro quo started by us now. I am open about it.

With a this said and done do you think your govt will take such a step?

Frankly I think they are stuck. Barhamdagh was stuck big time. Then modi gives his big red fort speech and the beggar that barhamdagh is, he immediately ran to modi who is now under pressure from his media and people ( jingoist who have zero understanding) to grant him asylum but granting him asylum takes down alot of diplomatic clout whilst only damaging the movement as well as vindicating pakistan yet if he doesn't....


Currently both govts have this unsaid agreement that we won't hold our separatists. We don't have khalistan or naxalite govt. This would open a Pandoras box which will only harm India considering that India always takes moral high ground, a fact lost on jingoists.

Oh well you guy can keep him, love him and care for him. I am not worried. The movement is dead on the ground.

The only thing that worries me is the porousness of the Durand line and believe me, every news that comes which states we have build this many fences and posts and trenches is a relief.

I will just say one thing, problems are only increasing there is only one way to resolve it. Remove PA as the determinant of your foreign policy.

I think that the people and Governments of both the countries are being held hostage by the policy being decided by Rawalpindi and not by GoP. You seriously need to look at that aspect.

 

[SpArK]

Also the pain in your *** is their work

Im sorry i dont use bad words over internet.

You may check the pain in body parts with others.

Thank you.

 

[Areesh]

LOL..... yes, I totally believe you more than I believe the GoI.

The very fact that you are a pakistani is the best marker to your credibility. cheers.

So why not release the video and prove me wrong.

After all your bollywood army has given green signal to release the proofs. Oh wait!! That green signal has again turned into red in no time.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Remove PA as the determinant of your foreign policy.

I think that the people and Governments of both the countries are being held hostage by the policy being decided by Rawalpindi and not by GoP. You seriously need to look at that aspect

That will never happen ; This conflict is our destiny ; the will of God

 

[Areesh]

Im sorry i dont use bad words over internet.

You may check the pain in body parts with others.

Thank you.

No Thank You. I would ask your DGMO to check your body. After all they are good at doing surgeries nowadays even if fake.

 

[Hyde]

Published October 8, 2016
SOURCE: HINDUSTAN TIMES
http://www.hindustantimes.com/topic/brahamdagh-bugti

Elaborate arrangements are being made for exiled Baloch leader Brahamdagh Bugti’s stay in India taking into account the possibility that he might form a government-in-exile of Independent Balochistan.

“We have asked Research and Analysis Wing (R&AW) to provide an assessment on how many Baloch’s living in exile will follow Bugti to India. Accordingly we will decide on the place where he will be asked to stay,” said a senior home ministry official who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

The home ministry is also looking for place with suitable climatic conditions for Balochs to stay and feel being at home, added the official.

Bugti had held talks with Indian diplomats in Geneva last month to seek political asylum in India.

The ministry of external affairs had forwarded his application to the home ministry to take a final call.

“We have one such past experience when Tibetan spiritual leader Dalai Lama, along with his followers, sought political asylum in India in 1959 and formed a government-in-exile in Dharamshala. Officials of the home ministry are looking at the process followed then,” said the official.

The founder-president of the Baloch Republican Party, Bugti is the grandson of Nawab Akbar Bugti, a Baloch nationalist leader killed by the Pakistan Army in 2006.

Pakistan has strongly opposed India giving asylum to Bugti, calling him a terrorist who is being propped by R&AW.

Let me be the first one to welcome this great and historical decision by India. I really appreciate that. It has been a very good news for us since last few weeks when Modi jee sarkar has been openly talking about sheltering terrorists and traitors in India.

It will only give another reason for Pakistan to act smart and support the freedom struggle of our brothers in Kashmir and shut the mouth of every foreign diplomat citing the example of sheltering bugti's in India.

This is such a great tribe but being rotten by the few feudel terrorists.

I really find no reason for us Pakistanis to get angry over India as it can be used to strengthen our foreign policy if promoted wisely.

It will also give another reason for Pakistan and China to gel together as the similar thing has happened with Dalai Lama

 

[SpArK]

No Thank You. I would ask your DGMO to check your body. After all they are good at doing surgeries nowadays even if fake.

I am surprised things are different there. Here we go to hospital.

Anyway wishing u speedy recovery.

 

[Areesh]

I see no reason to prove you wrong

Can you give me a good reason WHY I should prove you wrong ? Its not like what you believe makes any different to me or anyone in the world. lol.

Neither world has accepted your claims nor me.

So the thing is you can't prove us wrong or looking at desperation of India you would have released the proofs by now.

How can you prove when you have nothing??

I am surprised things are different there. Here we go to hospital.

Anyway wishing u speedy recovery.

Even you guys have no trust in DGMO Ranbir.

What a shame!!!

 

[Hellfire]

@hellfire

Please read this NEW article about surgical strikes

They happened Twice ; but only One was disclosed

https://www.thequint.com/uri-attack...y-brutal-army-india-pakistan-occupied-kashmir

Please read the dates I have mentioned earlier elsewhere for the same

Dates:

Sep 20 -21

and the last one


Now something that I wrote to someone as a target for our strikes on Sep 2 2016

I shall tell you .. Ringsar - Machchal Nar across LC Eastern Spur off Lunda Ridge, is your launch pad for all militants being sent in from Kel. The ingress is into Pachnar and into Kupwara. There is no retaliation. Yes the days of 100s coming are over, but active support in terms of UAV surveillance and sweep into our territory with guided ingress is a fact.

Source: https://defence.pk/conversations/a-shocker.9909/page-6#ixzz4MUIbwAsA

You will find that the village is Dhaki (across sub-sector Machchil) - the launch pad and it has been hit. This was on 02 Sep 2016 that I pointed out ...

You know I know stuff

@hellfire was one of those who had cried 'fake'. He was the one asking for proof. lol.

You seriously need to grow up. I know more of the area and the strikes and how to conduct them than you realise.

So ... take a long hike

 

[Stephen Cohen]

You know I know stuff

So basically the Internet chatter about Strikes on 20 and 21 is true

And that is what this Article also confirms


https://www.thequint.com/uri-attack...y-brutal-army-india-pakistan-occupied-kashmir