Arrangements made for Baloch leader Brahamdagh Bugti’s stay in India

[Sher-e-India]

Welcome Balochistan . We support Balochis right to self-determination

 

[sohailbutt1987]

Now once again you have become state sponsor of terrorism! What a shame can't fight head on, so using the proxy game?

 

[Tangent123]

..Having an independent Govt in exile will move many boulders and minds in and out of pakistan.
..how about Exile govt conducting elections at their land?

 

[Sugarcane]

India will do favor by inviting and keeping him and few of his fallow terrorists to India. But the thing I am more concerned is that Dhakans of Pakistan's LEAs & Intelligence still not able to get red warrants issued.

 

[Kompromat]

If 2 serving Indian Prime Ministers can be taken out, this sucker can be taken out too. What an egg would that be on India's face? @Icarus @Irfan Baloch @Oscar @Hyperion @Kepler22b

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Why not ? Are you scared that pakistan will send terrorists into India and try to kill Indians ? oh wait..... that's already happening.

pakistan will wage a proxy war with india ? oh wait ..... done that.

pakistan will refuse to trade with us ? .... oh wait .... no MFN for India.

What exactly are you afraid of ?

What if they started forming Khalistan governments in exile ? or start hosting North-Eastern separatist governments ?

More importantly, this guy is no Dalai Lama, neither is his organisation. They are violent people.

 

[saiyan0321]

Totally off on facts and realpolitik !

Indian diplomacy is having significant traction just because of the moral high ground. We have managed to severely restrict the maneuvering space of Pakistan on international forums just due to that. That is why, no one is bothered about Kashmir at international level.

IWT, there is only a decision not to speak through bilateral mechanisms. There is no decision to withdraw from it. India won't, it is an act akin to act of terror.

I sincerely wish that you all who shoot half cocked will realise that such useless statements bereft of any rationale and logic, do not do any good for India, but surely harms the excellent work being done by GoI and the Diplomatic Corps at present in managing the diplomatic front.

Also, you can liken your above statement to Congress' idiot the other day who doubted surgical strikes due to no documentary evidence, damaging the scenario by making it a joke all around.

Do you think it will happen? Harbouring a known terrorist who wants to separate baluchistan is going to make sure pak-india relations never improve. Believe me it will help us alot more than it will help you as everybody would see that you are openly supporting separatism as well as terrorism in pakistan and pakistan has every right to safeguard as well as counter the threat and mission India has embarked upon.

The thing is so far all i have heard is from your media ( which if you may excuse I don't believe a word from due to recent events) and not much from your govt. I like to give some credit to the modi govt that they are not absolute fools and they will not take this step which will only damage India and the movement. It will be seen as an Indian sponsored movement and pakistan will be vindicated.

The thing is the movement on the ground is dead. They do terror attacks here and there against civilians which end up killing their own people. The people of Baluchistan do not seek any separation and are now slowly being integrated into pakistan. They hate these groups as they once terrorized Baluchistan and so openly targeted civilians. The harrowing confessions of surrendered fighters are horrific.

Unlike the jingoistic fans here, you also understand that Baluchistan is not Bangladesh. Infact the only similarity both have is that both are Muslims. Apart from that they are not similar in any sense. To an even equate is to showcase foolishness as well as ignorance of politics, geographical study, current affairs, history and complete disregard for Realpolitik.

I have said it before and I will say it again. The true representatives of Baluchistan are not those sardars you are thinking about harbouring but the ten thousand soldiers of baluch in the army which were inducted in 2000s. Those that are serving in the FC ( which I might add are serving there. Not the army but the FC is present in Baluchistan) and that includes that 879 that joined last month, their families, their friends and those that so openly participated in the electoral process and work for the govt. The common man is the representative.

With a this said and done do you think your govt will take such a step?

Frankly I think they are stuck. Barhamdagh was stuck big time. Then modi gives his big red fort speech and the beggar that barhamdagh is, he immediately ran to modi who is now under pressure from his media and people ( jingoist who have zero understanding) to grant him asylum but granting him asylum takes down alot of diplomatic clout whilst only damaging the movement as well as vindicating pakistan yet if he doesn't....


Currently both govts have this unsaid agreement that we won't hold our separatists. We don't have khalistan or naxalite govt. This would open a Pandoras box which will only harm India considering that India always takes moral high ground, a fact lost on jingoists.

Oh well you guy can keep him, love him and care for him. I am not worried. The movement is dead on the ground.

The only thing that worries me is the porousness of the Durand line and believe me, every news that comes which states we have build this many fences and posts and trenches is a relief.

 

[coffee_cup]

India is not doing anything good for the region by sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan via its "cultural centers" in Afghanistan.

Attacking trains, buses, hospitals, schools, mosques, churches, funerals will only produce more hatred for India.

Go on give him your passport, no problem with that. It will benefit Pakistan.

Soon you'll know why,

 

[hassan zohaib]

You mean like Khalistani and kashmiri leader ? ..... oh wait .... you already do that.

You will have to tax your brains and come up with something new.

It does not matter if you claim Balochistan is a settled area of pakistan.

The people of Balochistan disagree with you and we support them in their fight for freedom from oppression and Independence. That is what the GoI latest stand says.


So rather than give empty threats, I suggest you do something about it. So what are you going to do ? got to WB ? cry to china ?

yeah definitely it does not matter. lots of kashmiris have been died from Indian atrocities, yeah it does not matter. all kashmiris are protesting for independence, yeah it does not matter.
I was not talking which things do you matter or not i was talking about the International law not your brazenly type of attitude.
i agree that some Balochis have turned their back on towards us but not as much as Kashmiris and Nexalites. most of balochis just not want freedom if you dont agree then get off your mind from the biased info from your media and just listen to the sane voices of neutral parties.
even then if you do want to support then i would say it is your old tradition and be for it.

as far as i know that we did not give empty threats to anybody in shape of Surgical strikes and above all we do whatever do with evidence. if we respond to any cease fire violation then we dont give empty threats but we do and with evidence.

yeah we are peace-loving nations and to avoid any conflict we go to countries and institutions which are much much powerful than India thinks itself.

 

[Hellfire]

I differ on that pov. Economic interests and Indian diaspora abroad also contributed.

You are kindly requested to read posts #7, #8 and #15 again. Do you find any continuity in the direction of interaction or do you find my post to be a one off observation? Take your time in deciding what was conveyed by my post and what have you posted. Are they in continuity of the said posts or altogether change in direction?

There is always a multifaceted approach in any diplomatic manoeuvre. I have specifically addressed only one component of it.

Now, please do explain how does the Indian diaspora contribute in diplomatic manoeuvre with a 'high moral values' base? Any correlation?

Entire world knows that Pakistan is sponsoring and sending terrorists into India and killing Indian citizens and army personnel from a long time. What you describe excellent work done by previous GoI and diplomats is nothing but to show the world our pants are open and we are bent over and that we can take slaps after slaps just to stay put on high moral ground.

How exactly is the present approach any different from previous?

Do you see the present government doing anything differently?

Indians in general are passive and reactive, just like gandhi to offer other chin to be slapped again. Where was GoI when entire valley was being radicalized through loudspeakers on mosques? Where was GoI when the original inhabitant of Kashmir, the pandits, were being chased out of valley ? And in order to cover all these F-ups, we will like to pass all aggressive posturing that we should or will take i.e, commit more F-ups.

You seriously need to read up on these topics addressed once in a while elsewhere. You need to read up the political dynamics of Kashmiri Pandits - Dogras and Muslims and re-concile with that. Inherently, you need to ask of yourself, that when J&K acceded to Union of India vide Para 3 a of Indian Independence Act of 1947, why are we still facing a problem in Kashmir, why the issue was not settled finally in 1999 under the same party which is in party, why is it stil continuing on the same path of calibrated military response and heavy diplomatic manoeuvring?

Where is OIC, Turkey, and UN on Baluchistan? India raised its voice just now but what happened to Pakistanis all these years violating human rights to severe extent? Nothing !!! Without diplomatic or economic clout.

Irrelevant. We are talking about India. What stopped India from taking up Baluch cause earlier? Because, the day you question the legitimacy of union to either dominion you open a pandora's box.

As for Baluchistan specifically, you really need to read up on what I have written elsewhere, about Pakistan making Kashmir an issue and India doing so with Baluchistan if it did not desist - 04 weeks prior to GoI doing exactly that.

You see, you are going off on a tangent on this particular part. It is irrelevant to present topic, of higher moral values being a boost for diplomatic manoeuvring.

War is an instrument to deploy after diplomacy and needs further diplomacy to consolidate any gains, achieve your aims permanently.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@hellfire

Please read this NEW article about surgical strikes

They happened Twice ; but only One was disclosed

https://www.thequint.com/uri-attack...y-brutal-army-india-pakistan-occupied-kashmir

 

[graphican]

Make it happen India, make it happen. Give Pakistan all the right reasons to focus towards India.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Quint had disclosed it both times, only most Indians in pdf chose to laugh it off like the Pakistanis and claimed it to be fake and false.

hellfire might remember this since he was one of the first to claim that the 1st strike was a fake.

On 20 and 21 there was a buzz on the internet that something happened last night

Even G D Bakshi said that on TV on 23 rd

Now there is another buzz that IAF will also be involved soon

The thing is -- hit them ; but dont make noise ; that noise is what hurts them more

If 2 serving Indian Prime Ministers can be taken out, this sucker can be taken out too. What an egg would that be on India's face?

So ISI was involved in Rajiv and Indira Gandhi's assasination

There is a Limit to exaggeration

 

[Areesh]

Quint had disclosed it both times, o

Yup there were two times this "surgical strike" claim was made.

1 on Sep 20 unofficially
2 on Sep 29 officially


Despite status change both times it was a pipe dream.

 

[SpArK]

So ISI was involved in Rajiv and Indira Gandhi's assasination

There is a Limit to exaggeration

Also the Tsunami that hit Indian coast was handwork of them.