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Army's new mountain divisions to get light field guns instead of howitzers

Not all 400 are operational but number is 300+....Not to mention DRDO/OFB are upgrading India's 140 M-46 guns to 155mm. Another 220 kits will be ordered soon to upgrade 220 M-46 to 155mm. After this i think IA will upgrade all the M-46 to 155mm till they will be replaced by newer guns.

But the fact is Indian artillery modernization program is the biggest failure of Ministry of Defence as well as Indian army. I mean for god sakes for almost 2 decades this program is hanging and IA couldn't do anything ?? By now atleast one of the General should have put their foot down. Government can force army only to a certain extent but after that its dangerous. Sometimes i feel a military coup is necessary for India.

Yeah , You are right
out of 414 Bofors only some 300+ are active
We also have 180 M46 155mm Howitzers which were upgraded by Israeli company Soltam

As you know India inducted some 750 M46 130/139mm Guns from Russia during the 1980s and early 90s
Out of these some 180 Guns of 139mm were upgraded by Soltam in 2004-05 ,
but IA is not satisfied with the upgrade since after the upgrade the range of these guns was reduced from 32Km to 27 Km

Hence the upgrade was suspended until the issue with range is sorted
Also the M46 even without the upgrade is a pretty solid gun and is suitable for Deployment in Cold and Mountain regions
currently we have some 550 non upgraded M46 , 140 Towed 155mm Howitzers and 40 Tatra Truck Mounted 155mm M46 Howitzer

In my opinion Indian Army will have to accept the induction of OFB 155mm Howitzers becoz the ghost of Bofors will not be exorcised before army Inducts an indigenous system
From What i read a few months ago IA has placed an initial order with OFB for 100 Howitzers of 155mm/39 Calibre like the Bofors and another 200 Howitzers of 155mm/52 calibre
with deliveries beginning in 2015
 
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The 105 mm light field gun is widely used by the paracommandoes,it can be lifted by mi-8
 
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The 105 mm light field gun is widely used by the paracommandoes,it can be lifted by mi-8

yup...i saw a video where paracommados are using LFG..

a good video on Indian Artillery...enjoy..


PARA (SF)- they are SPECIAL FORCES- do not operate arty but the artilleray regiment does have airborne ready elemants that can be air dropped or dropped by helo.
 
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PARA (SF)- they are SPECIAL FORCES- do not operate arty but the artilleray regiment does have airborne ready elemants that can be air dropped or dropped by helo.

nope..they to operate artillery when it is needed..they are trained to operate artillery behind enemy lines(you know,on some vital installments)..i found the video...


go to the 3:20.you'll see.
 
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nope..they to operate artillery when it is needed..they are trained to operate artillery behind enemy lines(you know,on some vital installments)..i found the video...


go to the 3:20.you'll see.

I am aware off this vid, clearly this is an over-simplification. Neither the PARA (SF) nor PARA (Airborne) have artillery, the Artillery regiment of the Army as units which are airborne ready such as the 17 Para Field Regiment. These units can deploy from transport a/c or from helos IA/IAF.
 
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Army chief General V K Singh’s leaked letter to defence minister A K Antony, which flagged the country’s lack of defence preparedness, casts a shadow over Defexpo India 2012, which kicks off in New Delhi tomorrow. However, the silver linings in the four-day event would be the impressive presence of several Indian private companies and newcomers in developing complex weaponry, with capabilities the defence ministry (MoD) can no longer ignore.

Among the most visible would be the Pune-headquartered Kalyani Group, which would emphatically project its ambition to develop artillery systems for the Indian Army. With foreign artillery procurement stalled for two decades, Baba Kalyani — who has shaped his flagship company, Bharat Forge, into the world’s largest forgings manufacturer — has committed the finance, the manpower and the strategic mind space he believes would make the Kalyani Group a full-spectrum developer of artillery systems.

Kalyani intends to start by building a 155 mm, 52-calibre towed howitzer, which the army desperately wants. Several years of user trials of foreign guns have only resulted in vendors being rejected, blacklisted, or withdrawn from the contest. Kalyani is now boldly offering an Indian alternative.

“I will offer to the Indian Army a fully developed artillery gun system, integrating all the command and control elements, before 2015,” he asserts.

To this end, the Kalyani Group has imported from Austrian gun manufacturer Maschinenfabrik Liezen (MFL) a service version of its famous 155 mm, 45-calibre, autonomous gun system, which had impressed Indian gunners when they evaluated it in the mid-1980s (though they bought the Bofors gun instead).

The Kalyani Group has also bought, knocked down and transported to India an entire operational artillery gun factory from Swiss company RUAG. Instead of learning the ropes of manufacturing artillery from scratch, Kalyani’s designers in Pune intend to absorb foreign technology, thereby leapfrogging an extended development process. Unlike many Indian private companies, Baba Kalyani is investing his own money into building capabilities. Given Bharat Forge’s hardcore engineering pedigree, he is confident he has the solution.

Says Kalyani: “There are the DRDO ((Defence Research & Development Organisation), the OFB (Ordnance Factory Board) and other excellent organisations that have design talent and capability. What India lacks is the ability to convert designs into manufactured products. This is where the Kalyani Group comes in. Building an artillery gun system is largely about materials, forgings and manufacturing. We have in our group the capability to be a top-class manufacturer of precision products.”

Kalyani Steel would provide the steel and metallurgy. The drives, engine, transmission, etc would be built by Automotive Axles Ltd, the Rs 2,000-crore Kalyani Group company and the largest manufacturer of axles in the region.

Alongside the engineering bravado, there is realism, too, about the Kalyani Group’s inexperience in creating the sophisticated software that underpins the gun control, fire correction and command and control systems, about 50 per cent of the overall gun system.

“Our strategy is to collaborate with entities that already have capabilities in electronics and guidance. (For this) we are in constant dialogue with the DRDO and the MoD. But we are confident about the precision engineering needed for the mechanical parts of the gun,” says Kalyani.

The only “missing link”, as Kalyani puts it, is the reliance on the MoD for testing facilities. Guns under development must be periodically tested through live firing. In India, this can only be conducted in cooperation with the Army. The MoD, rattled by the repeated failures of artillery gun procurement programmes, has already initiated two projects in the public sector to develop an artillery gun. The OFB has been asked to construct two 155 mm, 39-calibre guns from the engineering drawings that came with the Bofors gun in the mid-1980s. The OFB would then try to upgrade these into longer-range 155 mm, 45-calibre guns.

Simultaneously, the MoD has sanctioned Rs 150 crore for the DRDO to develop a 155 mm, 52-calibre gun. The DRDO’s Armament R&D Establishment (ARDE), Pune, would soon float a tender for an Indian industrial partner, in which the Kalyani Group intends to bid.

Such is the aggressiveness within the Group that it intends to develop its own gun on a parallel track, even if it becomes an industrial partner to the DRDO for the ARDE’s gun. Rajinder Bhatia, who would head this project, says, “We are willing to compete against ourselves. On one track, we will work with the DRDO, funded by the government. On our own track, we will fund ourselves. Baba Kalyani is willing to commit Rs 100 crore for this.”

Private venture.

The other one is the American M198 155mm howitzer
And this i believe we have around 348 according to Wikipedia

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I'm jealous of PA artillery.:(
 
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This article says deliveries were to begin in 2010 so this seems to be old news. Recent reports are the M-777 is a given and the deal is likely to be signed this FY.

Deliveries of the guns through FMS, earmarked to equip the two new mountain divisions (Six regiments) being raised, will span 18-24 months.

The Telegraph - Calcutta (Kolkata) | Nation | Nod to US gun purchase minus bids


The government has authorised an outright purchase of 145 ultra-light howitzers from the US, a highly-placed defence ministry source said today.

The ultra-light howitzers are for the mountain artillery divisions of the Indian Army to be used in high-altitude frontiers opposite Pakistan and China. They can be transported slung from some helicopters.

The defence acquisitions committee has decided to take the foreign military sales route. Foreign military sales is a US programme of government-to-government sales of military hardware bypassing a lengthy system of competitive bidding. But bidders who lose out to foreign military sales orders allege that the system lacks transparency.


BAE Land Systems has bought over the erstwhile Swedish firm Bofors that sold 410 155mm howitzers to India in 1986. The army has not bought a single big gun since the last of the Bofors howitzer was delivered in 1987, 22 years back.
 
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hey budd i just get to know that we had the licence to produce 1000 bofors guns....so what are we waiting for?

It has been started,before due to ban components were unavailable.400 are being made indeginously i think.
 
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