Army General GD Bakshi's speech equated to 'hate-mongering' by IIT-Madras student

[livingdead]

Extreme nationalism..??? With all due respects to you sir, May be the stalwarts of Commiee gangs rallying about freedom of speech should understand the meaning of that word first.. extreme nationalism is the thing that every soldier exercises while left with a rifle and less than a bottle of water less than 20 rounds of ammunition and his whole bunker surrounded by aggressors.. Extreme nationalism is the thing that is exercised by sailors who choose to go down into the sea along with their navy ship inorder to finish one final impossible task assigned by their Commanding Officer..Extreme nationalism is the thing that every pilot in his fighter knowing that he doesn't have fuel for returning back to his base, still chooses to push ahead to destroy atleast one radar station of the enemy.. These traits didn't win the whole war but had helped our forces to safeguard our country and our borders in such a way that, Commiee stooges sitting inside their houses safely don't even feel how much these soldiers have given to them for them to be safe..
Extreme nationalism is the most important and essential trait of a soldier as well as a patriot because that is what is going to push any individual to make any kind of sacrifice for his country.. If that can be labelled as fascism, then even god can't save this country..

For god's sake the general talked about splitting a country which has been killing our soldiers covertly and overtly from the day we got independence.. Now what is wrong in that..??


Congrats!! You waited for four pages and 50 posts to find one like this and jump in and start bringing the shit filled wormhole of Gujarat riots again???
while we talk about that, tell me how much atrocities happen in your country everyday for Hindus, in the hands of Jamaati filths..?? First wipe your own *** clean and then start sniffing around others.. Fcuk off!!!


Guys for god's sake he is a general.. He knows how to order and how to die for his country... That's it.. What else do you guys expect him to do?

you just made a general look like a dumb sepoy... generals simply dont give orders and die chucking mines at tanks like suniel shetty, they also do the strategy and planning of how to win war... they got the brains...

 

[MilSpec]

I really have no wish to protract a discussion with someone whom I cannot trust. Any longer.

And I have no wish to kick people in the teeth or in any other part of their anatomy. If that had been important, academics would not have been my destination towards the end of my life.

ok.

Sorry for wasting your time.

 

[ranjeet]

ok.got your point... teesta and rajdeep are not part of establishment.. nobody will accuse a govt funded institution of endorsing such views.... may be they can reply to this young man saying that...

How is expressing one's own opinion amounts to endorsement from a govt funded institution.

 

[Desist]

Sickular spotted.

 

[Infinity]

How did Indian Army Tolerate an Arrogant guy like him as General........................

 

[DesiGuy1403]

How did Indian Army Tolerate an Arrogant guy like him as General........................

Yeah man...Stupid Indians made him a General as well...Shame on them.

Why don't they make Kejriwal or Pappu as a General instead...after all look at the way these two "generals" supported JNU kranthkaris...bright future for India if people like these who want to split India and support terrorists are made in charge of our nations security.

 

[Robinhood Pandey]

Keh gaye Ram chandra Siya se . . .aisa kalyug aayega !!

Jawaan marega gumnaami me or. . . atanki shohrat payega !!

 

[Darmashkian]

In the 60s, when PRC was completely isolated from the rest of the world, other than North Korea, the Albanians remained their loyal supporters. They were fond of saying,"We and the Chinese are 600 million strong."

I'm surprised Enver Hoxha didn't die of a heart attack when the Chinese invited Nixon to China. After all they were the last/closest thing to a friend the True Marxist-Lennist-Socialist Albania would call

& his letter after that giving them a lecture on communism/socialism/revolutionary spirit seemed as imbecility of the highest order to me. -_-

The Chinese response by asking Albania not to depend on them for any future help & later cutting diplomatic relations & economic aid to them was classic,though.

Poor Hoxha..

 

[Joe Shearer]

I'm surprised Enver Hoxha didn't die of a heart attack when the Chinese invited Nixon to China. After all they were the last/closest thing to a friend the True Marxist-Lennist-Socialist Albania would call

& his letter after that giving them a lecture on communism/socialism/revolutionary spirit seemed as imbecility of the highest order to me. -_-

The Chinese response by asking Albania not to depend on them for any future help & later cutting diplomatic relations & economic aid to them was classic,though.

Poor Hoxha..

Interesting that you know the details. It is almost lost in the mists of time. Hilarious episode. Came in very helpful taking the piss out of the Naxals at college.

 

[Allen Iverson]

you just made a general look like a dumb sepoy... generals simply dont give orders and die chucking mines at tanks like suniel shetty, they also do the strategy and planning of how to win war... they got the brains...

Yea, Every general eats more dust than the sepoy.. You'll come to know if you had ever visited NDA, IMA and got a hint how officers are trained compared to sepoys.. Generals are none but a sepoy with far more experience, critical thinking and strategic vision..
By the way, if you have balls, try reaching out to any sepoy and call him Dumb.. I dare you..

 

[SrNair]

How did Indian Army Tolerate an Arrogant guy like him as General........................

Lol
What do you know about a military person?

 

[Darmashkian]

Interesting that you know the details. It is almost lost in the mists of time. Hilarious episode. Came in very helpful taking the piss out of the Naxals at college.

I found the entire incident very interesting & sad. The shock Hoxha faced+the imbecilic letter he sent stayed in my mind for a long time. It ensured that Albania would continue to suffer & receive little aid from other nations which it would need.

Add to that, I am a fan of games like Europa Universalis 4, Civ-4 & games of the Total war franchise where a person has to manage their nation.
So I spent a lot of time thinking/simulating how I could have run/steered a country like Albania in such a geo-political situation where it has no friends/no amiable relations with any powers.

At that time I also realised the importance of the line:-"There are only permanent Interests,not relations/friends"

I was pretty young back then & still am.

 

[cerberus]

Twist In Tale
Two IITians write in defence of GD Bakshi’s controversial speech

After a student of IIT Madras expressed concern over the alleged hate-mongering by retired Major General G D Bakshi at a special Independence Day speech at the institute, two other students have written a defence of the speech, attacking their “radical” college-mate of blowing things out of proportion.

Here is the response to Abhinav Surya’s letter by PhD scholar Deepak Ojha and project assistant Chirag Khalde.

An attempt to get heard amidst heavy intellectual firing

The post Maj Gen GD Bakshi's lecture “outpour by left-liberals” is a perfect case study of how a handful of radical students can manufacture a National level controversy. It is a case study about how a few people defame the 'Patriotism' of a retired Army personnel in guise of fake care for humanity.

The lecture took place on Thursday in the jam packed CLT hall in IIT Madras. Speaker gave a stunning presentation where he discussed the history of Indian Army and spoke frankly about the threats to our National security. There has been 3 main phases which have shaped the military history in India - Mauryan Empire, Mughal Empire and British Empire. He spoke widely about the psychological war played by Chanakya against the massive Army of Alexander and how he managed to unite whole of India in a single strong political entity. He said that it was the first time Macedonian people have seen huge 13 feet creature called "Elephant" while fighting against Porus. That was the innovation of that time which gave huge benefit to us while fighting. Chanakya send court dancers and other such people in the Army establishment of Alexander and planted the stories of huge elephants which are found in the Magadha empire and how they are trained in crushing the skull of the enemy. Such stories terrified the soldiers of Alexander and India was saved by the attack of brutal Macedonians. Sadly in the articles which are surfacing now on the social media, this story about the head-crushing elephants is taken out of context and quoted as "he glorified the ‘skull-smashing elephants’ of ancient India".

He went on to say that the next innovation was brought by Babur where he used the cannons and sound to disperse the elephants. Underlying lesson? The state needs a constant modernisation of its arms and armaments so as to face the fresh challenge. Such modernization didn't happen and we couldn't face the rifles and war tactics of the Europeans who used of stand in the file of 3 and shoot thousands of bullets within minutes. He went on from weapons to ask a very important question. "Do we know what happened in February 1946?" Barely a couple of hands were up. He lamented the fact that in the guise of projecting ourselves as people of 'Ahimsa', we have disgraced the sacrifices of thousand of Indians who were arguably the reason for the freedom of India in 1947. For any state to rule, it must have a strong control over the army. Exactly was the case with Britishers who were able to have a control over the whole of India with a handful of British soldiers. Netaji Bose acted at this soft point and formed Indian National Army which announced the war against the colonial powers for the freedom of the motherland. Three of his officer, one hindu, one muslim and one sikh were hanged in Red Fort as a punishment which incited flares in the minds of soldiers. Soldiers revolted amidst massive brutality and Britishers were forced to leave India as they can't exercise control over the Indians now.

Such reasoning is been berated by the so called Humanists by writing, "The speaker made the utmost insulting comment when he said mocked our freedom movement and made fun of it. According to him, only Indians in Indian army got us freedom and whatever everyone else was doing in the name of ‘Ahimsa’ was nonsense!". Whereas the speaker only highlighted the point that Azadi was not achieved 'Bina khadag bina dhal', but over a lot of sacrifices of common people. The speaker didn't insult any freedom fighter but said that the power was transferred in such hands who didn't even care to take the sepoys from Navy and INA back into indian Army or building a 'War Memorial' to acknowledge the contributions of those Bharatiya who gave their life for the motherland. It is indeed valid question to ask why the intelligence inputs about the movements of the family members of Netaji Bose was passed on to the British Intelligence Agency MI5 even after we got independence for around 20 years. Isn't it?

A soldier don't beat around the bush. Similar was the case with General GD Bakshi who was quite frank and outspoken about the past incidences. He praised decisions of ex. Prime Minister Ms. Indira Gandhi who was staunch in her opinion of launching a war against Pakistan in the lights of the brutality inflicted by Pakistan in Bangladesh and millions of refugees fleeing to india. He saluted such strong minds against those people who are afraid of war and give direction to not step a foot across LOC. He applauded Shri. Lal Bahadur Shastri who gave the orders to cross Pakistan border during 1965 war which turned the tide against Pakistan. He said, 'Man to a man and Indians are the best in the world. We have Gorkhas, Punjabis and Nairs who have those genes which make them the best fighters in the world.' “Don’t be timid! Jo dargaya wo margaya”-he said.’

He vented out his anger against Pakistan. Any why shouldn't he? Why shouldn't anyone who knows about the wars imposed on us and who have seen his compatriots dying? It is a simple realist concept in the field of International Relations which says that nations are inherently hostile. In Pakistan's case, it had been and is being extremely hostile in its efforts to destabilize our nation. He did say “In our generation, we split Pakistan into 2. Your generation should split it into 4. Only then we can live in peace!” and he had a solid reasoning behind it. Mind you, he is a soldier and he knows the ground realities better than most of us who reacts. It is always desirable to have a peaceful relation with your neighbour but it is equally important to know the veins of your neighbours. But would you call it “speech filled with hatred, instigating violence among the students.”? Being a veteran fighter, he is just cautioning us about our neighbour. So my dear friends, you would have known that he was not here for some peace sermons. If you are so weak hearted to absorb the actual realities across border, you would not have come to the lecture. And don’t forget his acknowledgement for the years of efforts of Miss Sharmila Irom where he says ‘If she becomes Chief Minister, I’ll be the first person to congratulate her.’ Think AFSPA now? Point is not about AFSPA but the stability of a region.

He spoke about the latest weapons purchased by India. He spoke about the progress we had in developing our indigenous versions of weapons and how careless rather we have been in developing them. He explained about the artillery and the decisive role, aircrafts and the fighter planes play during the war. So friends, it was about war. It was about the blood. It was about sacrifices for the country. It was about living in the conditions which are directly opposite to the kind of comfortable life in which we live inside the campuses. It was about the hostile designs to break the unity of India. It was about the terrorism. And we students felt that intensity of thoughts which a soldier embraces in his mind to protect our motherland. We felt that the country is secure till the lions and tigers like Sir GD Bakshi are there in our Army. It is very easy to become an arm chair activist and flurl abuses over the Army but one must realise that the bomb planted by the infiltrators will not ask you how many abuses have you given to the Army. It will just blow you up.

Worst part of the lecture begun when the handful of communists incited our fellow Kashmiri brothers to disrupt the lecture. Just a handful of them started shouting frantically when the topic of Kashmir came along. But that show turned into an interesting discussion between the Kashmiris and Sir Bakshi. He prompted them to ask questions in a democratic way and patiently answered all of them. One of them said that Kashmiris don't want to join Pakistan and don't want azadi from India. They want to live a life of dignity. The soldier responded that the very fact the you are in IIT stamps your dignity. He clarified that the restrain of the army can be gauged by the fact that the casualties have heavily come down. He also said that the number of terrorists in J&K has come down from thousands to meagre 140. Personally, the discussion between the speaker and J&K brothers was the best part of the lecture. But when the anti-social purely-undemocratic Left liberals realised that he is answering each and every question so precisely, they left the room.

One one hand, the lecture was about the display of sheer patriotism by the soldier and on the other hand it highlighted the corrupts within the society. The letter which was addressed to Director was leaked to the media. And media, instead of printing what actually happened in the lecture, got another 'Krishna Kanhaiya'. But the same highly democratic Krishna Kanhaiya was not patient enough to listen to the replies of the gentleman whom he accused as ‘war-monger and left the room abruptly after making a monologue. Such hypocrisy. The lecture was not remotely associated with any party or any ideology. But it did highlight the importance of our leaders using indigenous language instead of the colonial, which was a sign of cultural independence in 2014. It is shameful to see how this noble soul is been labeled as 'War-monger' and 'Trump at IIT Madras' by some of our National Media. Basically anyone who will show the guts to speak against the existing order will be labeled as Hitler or Hindutva etc. And once branded as Hindutva, a person becomes untouchable and a punching bag of all the hatred of left inclined media and academia.

At the end, a young army man stood up and express his sorrow over the kind of intellectualism floating around in the institute. He asked the soldier that who are the forces behind this Chakravyuah. The soldier replied that things are not the bed of roses and plans are being hatched by the external forces to break India and bleed India. He referred to the book 'Breaking India' written by Rajiv Malhotra and spoke about the doctrine of 'War of 1000 cuts'. Effect of such cuts can be felt in the Valley and in some of the institutes like JNU, Hyderabad University and Jadavpur University. We sincerely hope that our institute will resist all such forces and the students will work to make India a strong and sincere Nation.

Jai Hind

Source:
http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/chennai/Two-IITians-write-in-defence-of-GD-Bakshi’s-controversial-speech/2016/08/13/article3577748.ece

 

[Infinity]

Lol
What do you know about a military person?

How did you assume that i may not know? Lol................

Yeah man...Stupid Indians made him a General as well...Shame on them.

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I wouldn't like to be in that list...its the Stupid Congress...................

 

[DesiGuy1403]

I wouldn't like to be in that list...its the Stupid Congress...................

Congress made him a General?
May be you should check your facts...