Army Chief meets Molana Tariq Jameel during Hajj

[The Accountant]

Pakistan is an ideology which transcends religion. Our very nature and being demands our own identity. Its a force of nature, an existential paridigm. There is a reason why some decided to stay in India during partition and they are Muslim too. There is a reason Afghanistan rejected us during the Hijrat movement.

Can you please enlighten us whats our ideology other than being muslims of subcontinent ?

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

The kind of convoluted beliefs he and his disciples preach are dangerous for faith. Their practical products are Jamat-e-Islami, Jamat Ulma-e-Islam (Fazlur Rehman), TTP, ASWJ ...

so ur opinion is just based on sectarian differences.
None of them supported terrorism nor any political party or enemy of Pakistan.

 

[The Accountant]

Beyond convenient excuse certainly not religion. Mmm my thoughts -

• inertia consequent to geographic contiguity
• institutional impetus
• element of shared historical myths

You are factually incorrect ...

Punjab was divided despite of sharing culture, history and language,

Balochistan is more close to sistan and oman whereas kpk is closer to afghanistan ... Sindhi memons share language and culture with run of kutch ...

There is no natural geographical divide between india and pakistan ... Infact punjab sindh and kashmir were divided to create Pakistan ...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

To place everything in perspective to those who harp on about "existence beyond religion". Pakistan is exactly 71 years old. The region coterminous to Indian Republic, Bangladesh and Pakistan covering a huge area of diverse religions and peoples stayed together as the "British Raj" for 98 years. Yes 98 years. So what kept this rainbow of peoples/religions together longer then Pakistan? It obviously was not religion. Simple. Institutional compulsion provided by these guys below [image of British soldiers below].

My, your, Mr Ganga Kumar's, Mr Thekkaparambil's, Mr Bangla, Mr Singh's forefathers played along being British Indian for 98 years because of these guys from other side of the world.

But that same Mr Bangla Muslim bhai did not survive being part of Pakistan for longer then 24 bloody years. Now think about that. We are all not sheep to just lap up whatever crap is sung. We do have critical ability to reason. Use it please.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

You are factually incorrect ...

Punjab was divided despite of sharing culture, history and language,

You think so? My friend you are factually incorrect. If religion is the meaning of existence then care to explain to me why we have a border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Are people across the Durand Line Rastafarians? And why do we have a border with Iran? Are they Mormons? Every country on our western side going upto Turkey is Muslim. Why do we have borders. Are they another species of Muslims?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Can you please enlighten us whats our ideology other than being muslims of subcontinent ?

Such a ideology won't work. Because Islam is a universal religion and not a propriety that can be restricted conveniently to a geography. Just as you can't have African Islam, Asian Islam, Middle Eastern Islam. Islam is universal and knows no boundaries. It is faith that connects rather than creating political or geographic boundaries. How can you be a Muslim and bow to Allah but then discriminate against another Muslim because he is not from your self constructed geography?

 

[The Accountant]

You think so? My friend you are factually incorrect. If religion is the meaning of existence then care to explain to me why we have a border between Pakistan and Afghanistan. Are people across the Durand Line Rastafarians? And why do we have a border with Iran? Are they Mormons? Every country on our western side going upto Turkey is Muslim. Why do we have borders. Are they another species of Muslims?

Because they donot belong to sub continent ... Otherwisecan you please explain one reason of creation of Pakistan if its nit religion ?

 

[The Accountant]

To place everything in perspective to those who harp on about "existence beyond religion". Pakistan is exactly 71 years old. The region coterminous to Indian Republic, Bangladesh and Pakistan covering a huge area of diverse religions and peoples stayed together as the "British Raj" for 98 years. Yes 98 years. So what kept this rainbow of peoples/religions together longer then Pakistan? It obviously was not religion. Simple. Institutional compulsion provided by these guys below [image of British soldiers below].

My, your, Mr Ganga Kumar's, Mr Thekkaparambil's, Mr Bangla, Mr Singh's forefathers played along being British Indian for 98 years because of these guys from other side of the world.

But that same Mr Bangla Muslim bhai did not survive being part of Pakistan for longer then 24 bloody years. Now think about that. We are all not sheep to just lap up whatever crap is sung. We do have critical ability to reason. Use it please.

What kept us togather was foreign occupation ... The day foreigners left we were a separate nation ...

Reason of separation of bangladesh was race ... They preferred race our religion but based on same principle pakistan should be divided in 6 countries at minimum ...

Sindh punjab multan pakhtoonistan and balochistan ... So are you proposing to prefer race over religion as there are onky three basis of creation of countries ... Race, religion and geography ... Pakistan can only be framed under religion ... If there is any other basis i will be pleased to hear that ...

 

[Zarvan]

The kind of convoluted beliefs he and his disciples preach are dangerous for faith. Their practical products are Jamat-e-Islami, Jamat Ulma-e-Islam (Fazlur Rehman), TTP, ASWJ ...

Bring proof from Quran and Sunnah sorry your personal views don't matter here.

 

[Zarvan]

Dear I have studied the cause and effect. If you grow out of their influence and do an impartial analysis, you will see what I see.

I have done it several times and their is nothing wrong. Sorry if you don't have proof from Quran and Sunnah than please don't make a comment.

 

[Zarvan]

Beyond convenient excuse certainly not religion. Mmm my thoughts -

• inertia consequent to geographic contiguity
• institutional impetus
• element of shared historical myths

Pakistan was created for practicing Islam

 

[Zarvan]

Pakistan is an ideology which transcends religion. Our very nature and being demands our own identity. Its a force of nature, an existential paridigm. There is a reason why some decided to stay in India during partition and they are Muslim too. There is a reason Afghanistan rejected us during the Hijrat movement.

For Muslims Islam always has and always will be most important thing. Apart from 2 percent liberals this is believe of all Muslims around the world including Pakistan

 

[fitpOsitive]

Nothing to do with this Molvi, just a good chit chat as both are Pakistani. Have a nice day.

How many dod you have the same chit chat with Bajwa sahab, as a Pakistani.

 

[war&peace]

Pakistan was created for practicing Islam

Islam - Yes
Sectarianism - No
Mulla-ism - No

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

How many dod you have the same chit chat with Bajwa sahab, as a Pakistani.

Everybody meets some VIPs in some part of life.