Army Chief meets Molana Tariq Jameel during Hajj

[Dark-Destroyer]

Stay away from the wobblers

 

[war&peace]

you are wrong my dear friend!

Dear I have studied the cause and effect. If you grow out of their influence and do an impartial analysis, you will see what I see.

 

[The Accountant]

The kind of convoluted beliefs he and his disciples preach are dangerous for faith. Their practical products are Jamat-e-Islami, Jamat Ulma-e-Islam (Fazlur Rehman), TTP, ASWJ ...

I think you never listen to this guy ... This guy is extremly against divisions of sects ... He even respect shia and preeches to follow Islam irrespective of sect one follows ... He is strictly against spreading by force and believes in teaching islam through love ...

 

[Dark-Destroyer]

Dear I have studied the cause and effect. If you grow out of their influence and do an impartial analysis, you will see what I see.

I agree these people are dangerous for people of faith and misguide them easily with false information

 

[war&peace]

I think you never listen to this guy ... This guy is extremly against divisions of sects ... He even respect shia and preeches to follow Islam irrespective of sect one follows ... He is strictly against spreading by force and believes in teaching islam through love ...

Bhai, I have spent time with him. Hain kawakib kuch nazar aatay hain kuch..
He is double faced snake. He talks against the sects but with the same mouth he will claim that visiting the graves is shirk, believing that anyone can help except Allah is shirk, so do you know what are the ramifications of this diarrhoea? Basically he declares all Barelvis as Mushrks and this is exactly the same logic fed by TTP to its suicide bombers before directing them to attack the common Pakistanis.

 

[war&peace]

I agree these people are dangerous for people of faith and misguide them easily with false information

They all have applied certain filters on the religion. If you follow them, you will start moving away from the real Islam. The kind of Islam they spread is totally compatible with the British agenda: a cocktail of rituals that drags its follows into the whirl of unending and unattainable objectives.
It encourages the person to attain unattainable level of spirituality and lose focus on the world. Their mantra is that until every person becomes 100% true believer, the change is impossible and when everybody has changed 100% then you don't need to do anything as the change will happen automatically. This seems to be very beautiful to a gullible and uneducated person who is unaware how the world works. This is simply impossible in this world.

 

[newb3e]

Dear I have studied the cause and effect. If you grow out of their influence and do an impartial analysis, you will see what I see.

Jihadis are against them because they dont preach jihad right away they talk about self rectification making one a better muslim before going to jihad more like waddu before namaz. and being one of the biggest religious movement in Pakistan their Leaders have been responsible and never called for "Jihad" against state or army of Pakistan...i am not saying all of them are good or "righteous" i am sure their are gunda andas among them as well but gunday anday kahan nai hain!

i myself is not a big fan of molvis but i have spent time with them and others as well i find them more resonable and their path somehow sounds right. Just my opinion you can always disagree but id suggest you to not be a google baba (assuming you googled) and spend sometime with them go on a sheroza or something.

 

[Crystal-Clear]

I would suggest Bajwa to stay away from this disease...

yeah and he should go to hajj with hassan nasarAllah.

 

[newb3e]

Bhai, I have spent time with him. Hain kawakib kuch nazar aatay hain kuch..
He is double faced snake. He talks against the sects but with the same mouth he will claim that visiting the graves is shirk, believing that anyone can help except Allah is shirk, so do you know what are the ramifications of this diarrhoea? Basically he declares all Barelvis as Mushrks and this is exactly the same logic fed by TTP to its suicide bombers before directing them to attack the common Pakistanis.

again ill respectfully disagree with you as i have been close to him and many other of their elders.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I would suggest Bajwa to stay away from this disease...

I agree. I would prefer the military keeps away from politics and religion. Both are divisive and slippery slope to complications. The army represents Pakistan - a state that is made of all types.

 

[newb3e]

They all have applied certain filters on the religion. If you follow them, you will start moving away from the real Islam. The kind of Islam they spread is totally compatible with the British agenda: a cocktail of rituals that drags its follows into the whirl of unending and unattainable objectives.
It encourages the person to attain unattainable level of spirituality and lose focus on the world. Their mantra is that until every person becomes 100% true believer, the change is impossible and when everybody has changed 100% then you don't need to do anything as the change will happen automatically. This seems to be very beautiful to a gullible and uneducated person who is unaware how the world works. This is simply impossible in this world.

okay my friend if you study Islam we are never suppose to go against sitting govts cause in Islam we belief that everything is Allahs will the only change one can bring to society is by becoming a better person a better Muslim and if everyone changes and follow the principles of Islam Allah will help Muslims and things will change egypt syria iraq they went against their govts and look what happened!!! see at first i disagreed to this not going against govt thing but then i relaized the forsight behind it!!! i cant explain it to you cause i am not a good muslim or a good person myself but i think i can distinguish right from wrong!

And societies change when each indiviual in society transforms and try and become a better person change on micro level brings change on Macro level! thats how societies change organically.

 

[The Accountant]

Bhai, I have spent time with him. Hain kawakib kuch nazar aatay hain kuch..
He is double faced snake. He talks against the sects but with the same mouth he will claim that visiting the graves is shirk, believing that anyone can help except Allah is shirk, so do you know what are the ramifications of this diarrhoea? Basically he declares all Barelvis as Mushrks and this is exactly the same logic fed by TTP to its suicide bombers before directing them to attack the common Pakistanis.

Bro sharing same sect does not make you TTP ... There is a difference between calling a person mushrik and calling an act as shirk ... Calling an act as shirk is not an issue ,,, here you are guiding people if you don't do this how will people know what is right and wrong ? Visiting grave is not shirk but expecting that grave owner can do anything for you and praying from him is shirk and we all knows that even our brelvi brother will never defend it ...

Anyways let's avoid sectarian differences but calling someone snake based on the difference of sect is incorrect so kindly avoid it ....

 

[The Accountant]

I agree. I would prefer the military keeps away from politics and religion. Both are divisive and slippery slope to complications. The army represents Pakistan - a state that is made of all types.

What is the existence of Pakistan without religion ? You are challenging our core reason of existence as a muslim nation ? Army should refrain from sectarian issue but not from religion ...

 

[Indus Pakistan]

What is the existence of Pakistan without religion ?

Beyond convenient excuse certainly not religion. Mmm my thoughts -

• inertia consequent to geographic contiguity
• institutional impetus
• element of shared historical myths

 

[Menace2Society]

What is the existence of Pakistan without religion ?

Pakistan is an ideology which transcends religion. Our very nature and being demands our own identity. Its a force of nature, an existential paridigm. There is a reason why some decided to stay in India during partition and they are Muslim too. There is a reason Afghanistan rejected us during the Hijrat movement.