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The writer is a freelance print and broadcast journalist

george.fulton@tribune.com.pk

At first glance, the WikiLeaks revelations about the Pakistani army aren’t exactly, er, revelatory. So General Kayani and the intelligence agencies call the shots in Pakistan. Nothing new there, you may be thinking. Everyone knows that. Any foreigner arriving in Pakistan is soon pulled aside and told a couple of pithy lines about the army. One being that the three As run Pakistan — Allah, America and the Army. The other is that whilst most countries have an army, the Pakistani army has a country.
But reading the cables starkly in black and white, one is reminded how truly prevailing the army is to Pakistan’s society and long-term survival. The very institution that is supposedly designed to protect us is bringing Pakistan to its knees.

Let’s take parliamentary democracy. In theory we have one of those, with elected leaders to do our bidding, but WikiLeaks reminds us otherwise. Zardari wants to implement stiff sanctions on terrorist financing and close down terrorist training camps, but he can’t. Why?[/COLOR] The unelected and unaccountable military and intelligence agencies won’t allow it. We are also told that Kayani planned to pressure President Zardari to resign and replace him with Asfandyar Wali Khan. Er, on whose authority? Sorry, old chum, but I thought that decision fell to the Pakistani people at the ballot box, not a man who wears spaghetti on his shoulders.
The cables also reveal the army’s support of the Afghan Taliban and Lashkar-e-Taiba. Correct me if I am wrong but isn’t the faujis’ raison d’etre, it’s primary reason to exist, the first line in their handbook if you will, to protect us from enemies foreign and domestic? Or perhaps it’s to make cornflakes that taste of cardboard?:rofl:

But the reason for the army’s support for the militants is of course our hatred of India. Lashkar-e-Taiba and the Afghan Taliban, despite their continuous killing of our own citizens, are apparently a vital part of our national security. Read that sentence again and it sounds like something from “Monty Python”. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Yes let’s threaten India by funding and supporting people who attack India and, er, ourselves. Good job.:hitwall:

In addition, the army’s paranoia and cold war thinking has stopped successive civilian governments from making any constructive attempts at long-term peace with India. An economic powerhouse that could bring thousands of jobs to Pakistan remains a foe, thanks to the faujis.

For too long the military/intelligence nexus has been immune to any sort of accountability or criticism. We can judge the judiciary, pillory the politicians and mock the media. But the army receives a free reign. The generals/admirals/air marshals — who can be as corrupt and venal as the political class — rarely receive similar press coverage, despite the fact that the army is the biggest private landowner in Pakistan. They run businesses, residential areas, schools and hospitals but somehow they largely avoid scrutiny. Funny that.


It was fascinating how the Pakistani press covered the WikiLeaks scandal. Much was made of how America still has huge influence in the running of Pakistan’s affairs. But the media ignored the larger uncomfortable truth. The reason we are a client state to the US is because the army is the largest mercenary force in the world. According to WikiLeaks, Kayani wanted to avoid the impression that the military is for ‘hire’. However, when only 40 per cent of military aid is accounted for and returned to military coffers and you request $26 million for barbed wire and a further $70 million for radars despite the fact that the militants have no airpower, it’s hard not to come to that conclusion.

It’s time we stopped fearing this institution and, instead, hold it to account. Only then can we go some way to reclaiming our country. Who knows, maybe one day Pakistan may have an army that serves the country, and not the other way round.
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Bravo by George Fulton it takes a brave man to take on our military masters and therefore all praise to you! you paid us back ... spot on every word of it ...wish pakistanis can wake upto that and be honest with ourselves for once
 
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The thing with George Fulton is that he hails from a country and region where everything and everyone is held accountable for their actions.

Him being a Pakistani, a good one at that, gives him every right to criticise and question what does not make sense to him. In western countries, such actions would be highly criticized where as in our country, most grow up with a 'no questions' mentality.

I am disappointed, yes I truly am because the control of our nation is in the hands of others. But I knew that we sold our nation in the 70's to Saudi's who implemented Hudood Ordinance in their new colony and then we signed up to the 'Money for Mujahideen' program with the Americans.

But do not question the integrity and handwork of the common man, the men who serves in the military, the men who serves in the civil service, the men who uphold our nation. We have what it takes to make the nation work, we just lack the leadership.

We have been cursed with poisonous puppets as leaders, they are the bane of our society, them and the failed establishment.

The faster we do away with them, the better it would be.
 
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The thing with George Fulton is that he hails from a country and region where everything and everyone is held accountable for their actions.

Him being a Pakistani, a good one at that, gives him every right to criticise and question what does not make sense to him. In western countries, such actions would be highly criticized where as in our country, most grow up with a 'no questions' mentality.

if no question mentality was the case people on forum wont be questioning politicians etc,,,, i disagree here as the writer metioned we are scared of army
I am disappointed, yes I truly am because the control of our nation is in the hands of others. But I knew that we sold our nation in the 70's to Saudi's who implemented Hudood Ordinance in their new colony and then we signed up to the 'Money for Mujahideen' program with the Americans.


Tfaz dont you think like the saudis every tom ,dick and harry want to export their ideology its just saudi could pay the price ,,, why cant we held army responsible for its strategy , why cant they be held accountable , Nowadays we have NLC scam , even in these times PAC has to halt all hearings as the matter is dealth by military courts....wth is this ! ?
 
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if no question mentality was the case people on forum wont be questioning politicians etc,,,, i disagree here as the writer metioned we are scared of army

The 'no question' mentality is limited to religion, army and a few other sacred things in our nation. This makes the people cautious and in turn scared of asking questions because of the expected backlash.

Tfaz dont you think like the saudis every tom ,dick and harry want to export their ideology its just saudi could pay the price ,,, why cant we held army responsible for its strategy , why cant they be held accountable , Nowadays we have NLC scam , even in these times PAC has to halt all hearings as the matter is dealth by military courts....wth is this ! ?

My point is that we should not be open to accepting anything, ideology or idea just because of some money is being thrown at us. It was the army seniors who accepted these strategies and look where we stand today, in a complete dismal state.

That is why I want everyone to be held accountable and the army too needs to reevaluate it's standing.
 
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The thing with George Fulton is that he hails from a country and region where everything and everyone is held accountable for their actions.

Him being a Pakistani, a good one at that, gives him every right to criticise and question what does not make sense to him. In western countries, such actions would be highly criticized where as in our country, most grow up with a 'no questions' mentality.

I am disappointed, yes I truly am because the control of our nation is in the hands of others. But I knew that we sold our nation in the 70's to Saudi's who implemented Hudood Ordinance in their new colony and then we signed up to the 'Money for Mujahideen' program with the Americans.

But do not question the integrity and handwork of the common man, the men who serves in the military, the men who serves in the civil service, the men who uphold our nation. We have what it takes to make the nation work, we just lack the leadership.

We have been cursed with poisonous puppets as leaders, they are the bane of our society, them and the failed establishment.

The faster we do away with them, the better it would be.

Well said... I dont know much about this person George... but what you are saying about the west is correct (although it is diminishing with each passing day)... The people do have a civic sense and the government cannot take them for a ride so easily...

I totally agree with you about what you are saying about leadership also... We need enlightened leadership and should do away with all notion of corruption whether it be in the civil admin or the Army...
 
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Parliamentary democracy is a failed system and not suitable for Pakistan. Even Jinnah casts his doubts over parlimentry democractic system for Pakistan and instead preferred the presidential system. Short term experiment during Mushraff era tells that the founder envisioned the right thing. Secondly Pakistan army is the last standing able institute which can handle the country against all corrupt money minting politicians we have. Keeping Pakistan background in contrast these dont come as a revelation. It was army in Kemalist turkey which led the country for 40 years to breed a generation of young bureaucrats. Same experiment needs to proceed in Pakistan execpt without foreign intervention. The west should accept whatever government we have as our internal matter.
 
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Parliamentary democracy is a failed system and not suitable for Pakistan. Even Jinnah casts his doubts over parlimentry democractic system for Pakistan and instead preferred the presidential system. Short term experiment during Mushraff era tells that the founder envisioned the right thing. Secondly Pakistan army is the last standing able institute which can handle the country against all corrupt money minting politicians we have. Keeping Pakistan background in contrast these dont come as a revelation. It was army in Kemalist turkey which led the country for 40 years to breed a generation of young bureaucrats. Same experiment needs to proceed in Pakistan execpt without foreign intervention. The west should accept whatever government we have as our internal matter.

I beg to disagree.

In a country which is multi-ethnic and has various interest groups, a presidential system will only result in anarchy as seen in our history.

No matter what one says, some minorities will eventually be at wrong end of the stick and it will result in a backlash.

The problem is that these backlashes take time to mature into a potent threat. In the meanwhile, we fail to see what will happen in the future.

In the present time, everyone will feel stability in such a system but nobody bothers to forsee the future.
 
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Fascist Nationalism coupled with religious feelings seem as an attractive setup but it will eventually propagate hatred against those who disagree on one thing or another.

It works in a homogenous society; even that too for a short while. In pakistan, it leads to disasters like 1971.

Our bengali brethren disagreed on various state matters. We chose to call them deviant and traitors. We all know what happened afterwards.
 
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Go and ask a balochi what he feels about IQBAL. He will say that IQBAL is not his poet.

Now we take this as an insult and treachery. This is where we shoot ourselves in the foot.

A state can't work forever according to the whims and wishes of a few. Everybody HAS TO BE MADE A STAKEHOLDER. Otherwise, those who are sidelined will loose their SENSE OF ASSOCIATION with the state.

In a parliamentary system, there is a atleast a slight hope that everyone's voice will be heard. IF IT WORKS IN ITS TRUE SPIRIT, it will bind us together.

Nevertheless, IT IS A DIFFICULT SYSTEM OF GOVERNANCE. But we have to choose between DIFFICULTY and PERPETUITY.
 
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Bravo by George Fulton it takes a brave man to take on our military masters and therefore all praise to you! you paid us back ... spot on every word of it ...wish pakistanis can wake upto that and be honest with ourselves for once

Yeah bravo. For repeating the same rant that has been published in several western media and which has always showed biasedness towards Pakistan and it's Army. The rant which is based more on anti Pakistan army mindset than ground facts and realities.

you paid us back

He paid us well. The rant.

wish pakistanis can wake upto that and be honest with ourselves for once

Wish we don't have more "Pakistanis" as you and waffen are.

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^ havnt read the above posts......
we can debate the 'pros' and 'cons' of the army's role in our politics and history, but one thing is crystal clear (to me atleast) - without the 'army (armed forces) our country stands to wither away.....
 
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Army should never be allowed to interfere in a country's politics, any one remember the case of Chile? Army's role should be only to safdgaurd the nation's borders, i dont know if my pakistani brothers would agree with me here but pakistan suffered much under the army rule, i think if Benazir bhutto was alive,the situation would have been much different,she war an iron lady ,but i still have huge hopes for imran khan , if he becomes the PM, he will definately bring the army's influence down.
 
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^ havnt read the above posts......
we can debate the 'pros' and 'cons' of the army's role in our politics and history, but one thing is crystal clear (to me atleast) - without the 'army (armed forces) our country stands to wither away.....

Nobody is telling you to dismantle the army. The author's only arguing for the role of the army in Pakistan's internal politics and foreign policy to be limitied.

That's all.
 
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