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Sorry folks Arjun testing didn't took place in June and the date has been moved forward to September but again as we all know it will be hard to find 50 deg. in september, so I don't see a logical point in holding the tests dates other than June.
It seems Arjun will never be placed in hot conditions and recent order of Russian tanks confirms that it was decided long before.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Story...eadline=Army+to+get+14+Arjun+tanks+for+trials
Indian Army to get 14 Arjun tanks for field trials
The Indian Army has agreed to take 14 indigenously developed main battle tanks (MBT) Arjun for field trials by September 30, it was announced on Monday.

The decision was taken after successful demonstration of all modifications including medium fording or crossing a water body to Defence Minister AK Antony and other senior officials at Avadi in Tamil Nadu where the tank is being built, a defence ministry statement said.

It is learnt that these tanks are the same ones that were fielded in desert conditions for the first time at an army war game in Rajasthan in May after which some modifications were sought.

Antony, who was on a day's visit to the Combat Vehicle Research and Development Establishment (CVRDE) and the Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF) at Avadi, was apprised of the various capabilities of the Arjun that has been 34 years in the making.

"The defence minister congratulated all the stake holders for jointly solving the problems relating to the tank to the satisfaction of the armed forces," the statement said.

Senior defence ministry officials, including Secretary (Defence Production) KP Singh, and senior army officers witnessed the demonstration.

While not officially going on record, the army is known to be extremely unhappy with the Arjun, having listed 14 defects that need to be rectified.

These include a deficient fire control system, inaccuracy of its guns, low speeds in tactical areas - principally deserts - and its inability to operate in temperatures over 50 degrees celsius.


At a review meeting with the DRDO in April, Antony is known to have asked the organisation to get its act together to rectify these defects or the government might have to take another look at the entire programme.

Parliament's Standing Committee on Defence has, in two reports earlier this year, remarked adversely on the slow pace of Arjun's development and asked the DRDO to quicken the process.

The Indian Army laid down its qualitative requirement (QR) for the Arjun in 1972. In 1982, the DRDO had announced that the prototype was ready for field trials. However, the tank was publicly unveiled only in 1995.

Arjun was originally meant to be a 40-tonne tank with a 105 mm gun. It has now grown to a 50-tonne vehicle with a 120 mm gun.

The tank was meant to supplement and eventually replace the Soviet-era T-72 MBT that was first inducted in the early 1980s. However, delays in the Arjun project, and Pakistan's decision to purchase the T-80 from Ukraine, prompted India to order 310 T-90s, an upgraded version of the T-72, in 2001.

Of these, 186 were built at the Heavy Vehicles Factory at Avadi in Tamil Nadu. An agreement was also signed for the licensed production of another 1,000 T-90s.

With the Arjun development delayed still further, India last year signed a fresh contract with Russia to buy another 330 T-90s.
 
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Buddy,
Please read the report properly. If the tanks were used in a war excerise,what is left to trial in September?
The writer is a dork. Go through a few pages back and you will find the same words which you have highlighted. That "14 defects" is doing the rounds from lot of months now.
14 defects and still it was used in a war games?

They just copy from earlier report without knowing the head or tail.
 
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Dear con, I can post many news links on June testing, would you term all of them headless writers? Again you believe what serve you but reject the rest.
war game in Rajasthan in May after which some modifications were sought.
Have you ever wonderd why those tanks were returned to DRDO after exercises. Why are you ignoring the visit of defence minister, he visited the factory to see the results of modifations made in response of those 14 famous defects.

There are reliable news and reports on internet which says DRDO has decided to scrap its fire control system which cannot operate in temperatures above 41 deg. and will buy what ever is available off the shelf.

I read in another article that Army was forced by the government to place order of 124 tanks (in 2001), which are still in production ever since. What do you think those tanks will be ever produced.

http://www.dailyindia.com/show/154119.php/Indian-Army-to-conduct-trials-of-modified-Arjun-tanks
The Army was asked by the Government to purchase 124 Arjun tanks.
Principaly local tank should be in major numbers but the fact is opposite. Does this tells nothing, to you.
There is nothing to be proud of Arjun.
 
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Principaly local tank should be in major numbers but the fact is opposite. Does this tells nothing, to you.
There is nothing to be proud of Arjun.

Guess, what einstien, all the members of tanknet are so friggin impressed by it especially its suspension. If you cant understand good literature not our problem!!!!

But then again under-estimating is your trait.
 
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Guess what newton, I'm more impressed by the suspension of BMW, but can it play MBT ???? :azn:
All those reports are written by Indians not by me and ask IA why they are underestimating the wonder of world.
Go fix your fire control.
 
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army already has 30+14 arjun tank and other tanks will be delivered by 2009 and it is initial order and no were final order ( try proving that ) 14 defects was mentioned in 2003 it is classic case of cut Paste and copy and standing committee report on arjun by GOI says that all major issues have been solved ,another classic example is that visit of Defence Minister Shri AK Antony and other senior officials from the Ministry of Defence including the Secretary Defence Production Shri KP Singh and senior Army officials was to check Combat Vehicle Research and Development Establishment (CVRDE) and the Heavy Vehicles Factory (HVF) at Avadi, was apprised of the various capabilities of MBT Arjun Tank and not to check any defects in the tank.they were shown the various production capabilities at HVF. The Defence Minister congratulated all the stake holders for jointly solving the problems relating to the tank to the satisfaction of the Armed Forces.and Arjun performed medium fording ( i.e. going underwater) in front of all the delegates
 
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Guess what newton, I'm more impressed by the suspension of BMW, but can it play MBT ???? :azn:
All those reports are written by Indians not by me.
Go fix your fire control.


try what arjun did with your BMW :blah:
 
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Guess what newton, I'm more impressed by the suspension of BMW, but can it play MBT ???? :azn:
All those reports are written by Indians not by me and ask IA why they are underestimating the wonder of world.
Go fix your fire control.

Dont try to be funny, you dont have it in you!!!!!So please dont try it.
Please register yourself in Tanknet or have a discussion with Zraver, People who have actually used Tanks.

And dont waste my time,
 
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Zeus my point was that first thing tank need to do is fire and Arjun cannot fire straight and cannot fire at all at temperatures above 41 deg.
It dosn't make difference if your suspension equates that of BMW.

About the order I have also posted Indian news links, which says that IA was forced to place order of those tanks.

Those 14 tanks you are ranting around are prototypes and nothing more.
 
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BATMAN if you keep on reading article by those writers well i cannot help (still understandable)

Delay in induction of the new Arjun tanks averted

Induction of the new Arjun Tanks which was being delayed by Indian Army successfully passed all tests. Indian Army delayed the induction of the 9 Arjun Tanks by giving reason that Arjun Tank should have medium fording capability. Defence research and Development Organisation pointed out that Arjun Tank already has the capability of medium fording and could remain in medium waters for more than 20 minutes against just 3 minutes of T-72 kind of tanks. The Arjun Tank Radiator is capable of using water as a cooling agent when medium fording, where as, the T-72 radiator is shut off during medium fording resulting in rise in engine temperature. Even without modifications Arjun Tanks collects only 5-10 liters of water inside in those 15 and more minutes which is of no consequence. Barring some minor instances Indian Army never had to medium ford in both western and eastern borders in 1971. The modifications are more of time consuming mechanical in nature. Indian Army wanted complete ceiling which DRDO promised in future makes.

More at *****************
 
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Zeus my point was that first thing tank need to do is fire and Arjun cannot fire straight and cannot fire at all at temperatures above 41 deg.
It dosn't make difference if your suspension equates that of BMW.

About the order I have also posted Indian news links, which says that IA was forced to place order of those tanks.

Those 14 tanks you are ranting around are prototypes and nothing more.

14 tanks i am ranting is Limited production tanks and not prototypes get your facts right ,and Arjun fired 600 rounds from the same tank and same gun in test condition and even fired lahat accurately ,army has never complained about its gun ever other then DDM articles ,even Arjun tanker who is veteran in T-72 claims it has much more fire power then other tanks in army inventory ,this news and reports are from horses mouth other then this DDM writers so called sources :crazy:
 
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Are you saying that only those are believeable whom you certify!
Here are the best remarks of Army cheif about Arjun.
IA returned the tanks to DRDO after these games.

http://www.india-defence.com/reports-3113
Arjun Tanks Tested in Ashwamedh War Games; Performance Evaluated: Army ChiefDated 2/5/2007
Almost 24 years after its first prototype rolled out, the country's indigenous main battle tank (MBT) Arjun today underwent baptism by fire as it took part for the first time in the biggest Indian army exercises in last two years.

14 Arjun tanks crossed swords with the 100s of Russian-supplied T-90 and T-72 tanks in the final phase of month-long exercises 'Ashwamedha' and the Army Chief Gen JJ Singh, who witnessed the war games close to Pakistan border, said "performance of the tanks would be analysed".

Notwithstanding the indigenous tanks taking part for the first time in the exercises in which live ammunition was used, Singh said Arjun would still have to go through comparative trials with Russian tanks later this year.

"The comparative trials would clear the induction of the first batch of Arjuns," senior officers told PTI. DRDO's Heavy Vehicles Factory in Avadi has rolled out and handed over 15 tanks to the Army for evaluation.

DRDO officials said that only after certification by the Army, a go ahead would be given for full commercial production of 124 Arjun tanks.

"Arjun tanks were fielded in the exercise to test their capability and to see how best to deploy them" Army Chief told reporters.
 
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BATMAN IA as not yet inducted them so they (14 tanks) had to be returned to them (DRDO) and after further testing in September only then Arjun will be part of IA Armour and whole testing is done under supervision of army officials by army tankers and not by drdo ,
 
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Army to rectify Arjun’s mobility defects
http://www.indianexpress.com/story/29951.html
Suman Sharma
The first lot of the indigenous Arjun Main Battle Tanks (MBT), which made their debut at the ongoing corps level war-game in the deserts of Rajasthan, will be scrutinised by Army Chief General JJ Singh during field trials scheduled for July this year at the Mahajan field firing range. After a two-month exercise here, the Army has recognised persisting “mobility defects” in the tank, problems that have dogged the tank programme for years.
Regarding the performance of a squadron of 15 MBT Arjuns from the Bikaner-based 43 Armoured Regiment, General Singh said today, “We don’t want to be at a disadvantage when we are challenged. We cannot put the lives of our men in danger on account of malfunctioning of any component of the tank. The concerns will be addressed.”
Highly placed sources said the Arjun squadron, which has been deployed in the five-day Army exercise ‘Ashwamedha’ in Rajasthan, had serious problems in its torsion bar, which broke owing to jerks while speed driving. Besides, the leakage in the hydro pneumatic suspension system, the tanks’ German MTU 838 Ka-501 engine is also a cause of concern.
Exercise results till the fourth-day showed that the tank was neither ready for induction nor was suitable for war-maneuvers. A personnel said that the height of the tank was also not suited for wars.
Other challenges gripping the tank were the non-integration of the fire control system and the gunner’s main sight. According to a source, the sight, which may have two in ten chances of falling, could be entertained as those two chances could be predicted in a real war. The fire control system, which took into account the wind, heat and internal temperature, had to be integrated for accurate firing. The turret made of Kanchan armour is the only thing that the DRDO can boast of.
The Directorate General Mechanised Forces of the Army has made it clear that the Arjun, in its present state, was unacceptable to the Army, said a source. With a cost overrun of almost 20 times the original estimate, this appears to be the highest percentage overrun for any DRDO project so far.
 
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