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Arizona congresswoman among 12 shot at Tucson grocery

The US needs to stop lecturing other countries about concern of security and pay more attention at home. It is a joke that someone can just walk in with a firearm and kill elected and federal officials like that.

There needs to be a review on the procedures of firearm sales and security for elected officials.

Well that's not really fair to say. She is just a congress woman and she was at a fair routine political rally (in front of a grocery), it would be unreasonable to ask for more security than what could be provided by local police.

And from all indications, the handling of the aftermath was pretty well done, the suspect was arrested, there were SWAT guys on scene to secure the area immediately afterwards and the congress woman was quickly airvac-ed out to a hospital.
 
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Arizona mass murder with near-killing of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords stark reminder of our violent society


What are we to take away from the near-fatal shooting of Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords and the killings of six others among her constituents today at a public meeting in a shopping center parking lot? Are we to believe if you don’t agree with a politician just shoot him or her? Or if you don’t agree with a vote shoot the winning candidate?

Should you use your constitutional right to bear arms to rid the country of those you believe just shouldn’t be alive?

That seems to be the way of the world today. Disgruntled workers kill co-workers who had nothing to do with their problems. Teenagers kill teachers and classmates if things just don’t go their way. Rejected spouses kill their former loved ones and anyone with them.

It’s become the Wild West all over again, except it is all over the country now, not limited to only the old West.

Anti-gun advocates will use this as ammunition for their cause. Gun advocates will say if someone in the crowd had been armed they would have killed the gunman and saved lives.

Who are we to believe?

I believe citizens should be able to have weapons to protect themselves and their homes, if they chose. They should not, however, use these guns to “solve” their personal problems.

What I take away is a deep sadness for the direction our country is moving. We need to move away from violence -- not toward it.
 
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This is what I meant when i was saying on Salmans murder that its nothing more then a hate crime, and b@sterds like them exist every where. The irony is that bbc spend 30 mins discussing Pakistan and Salmans murder, and every other thing that they could associate with it. But all they mentioned of this dude is he is mentally not stable.
 
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The guy was simply mentally disturbed, Checkout his youtube posting.


YouTube - Introduction- Jared Loughner.

See i told ya before, it always works, instead of blaming religion why not call the man mentally disturbed or insane, declare he got some sort of phobia and recommended rehabilitation. Case Solved, Religion spared. Every one Happy.

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He too looks mentally insane to me :agree:

Any way RIP to the dead.
 
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A lashback from the inside against the US war machine. Expect these incidents to increase as the US economy continues its downward slide and its policies become more and more reckless.
 
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I don't believe that this person is a tea party member. He is regarded as a radical liberal according to his former classmates.

Gabrielle Giffords shooting: strange internet trail of 'loner' Jared Lee Loughner, the alleged Tucson gunman - Telegraph

On Saturday night. Caitie Parker, a singer-songwriter from Arizona, said she had known Loughner when they were both teenagers and that he dropped out of school in 2006 after developing alcohol poisoning.

"I went to high school and college, and was in a band with him," she said on Twitter. "I can't even fathom this right now."

Describing him as a "political radical" and a "loner" who was "very philosophical", Ms Parker claimed Loughner was "oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy", which predicts the world will end next year.

Ms Parker said Loughner had encountered Miss Giffords once before in 2007 and had "asked her a question and he told me she was 'stupid and unintelligent'."

However she added that when she had known him, Loughner seemed to be liberal or Left-wing.
 
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Being the guard , of a spoiled poiltician , he might have seen things we the normal people do not see on a daily basis , he might have stated things off the records, which were picked up by the gaurd

a) Was he right for killing the politician it is for courts to decide
b) But importantly , I think guilty is the cleric who gave the notion
that its ok for a person to do such act

This has iranian revolution written all over it -

I think the cleric should be held responsible for giving out irresponsible comments.

There should be , moderation and equal protection in law against minorities.

I think the Prophet during his life , had ppl call him names and do things to him but he did not killed any he fogave them all so what right does a cleric has to kill someone on his name ? :smokin:

But sometimes , its good for some of these politicians - to get a injection up their buttock to wake them up that REVOLUTION is coming unless they don't shape up
 
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See i told ya before, it always works, instead of blaming religion why not call the man mentally disturbed or insane, declare he got some sort of phobia and recommended rehabilitation. Case Solved, Religion spared. Every one Happy.

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He too looks mentally insane to me :agree:

Any way RIP to the dead.

So does half your population who supported him. Even your lawyers have to be insane to shower him with flowers.
 
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Wow bullet through the head and they kept her alive she must have the top surgeons in US trying to save her.
 
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See i told ya before, it always works, instead of blaming religion why not call the man mentally disturbed or insane, declare he got some sort of phobia and recommended rehabilitation. Case Solved, Religion spared. Every one Happy.

Nope, Case is still open. What the guard did was because of his religion. He admitted it. Everyone praised him for it. Sure, he was batshit crazy. But he was batshit crazy for religion and that's the point, that there are too many batshit crazy religious zealots in the Pakistani society.

The Arizona killer, on the other hand, was actually leftwing and a liberal. So he actually agreed with the representative.

Jared Loughner Classmate Caitie Parker Says He Met Gabrielle Giffords Previously

Therefore, his batshit craziness was NOT due to his religious or political leanings.

Crazies exist in every society. Political/religious crazies cause problems for the whole society.
 
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A very tragic event. Interesting news from CS Monitor,



American Renaissance: Was Jared Lee Loughner tied to anti-immigrant group?

A Department of Homeland Security memo suggests a 'possible link' between Jared Lee Loughner, the suspect in the attack on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, and American Renaissance, an 'anti-government' journal.


A possible link between Jared Lee Loughner, the primary suspect in the shooting of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, and American Renaissance, the publication of an anti-immigration group, offers potential new insights into what may have caused the 22-year-old Arizonan to carry out the attack, which killed six people and wounded more than a dozen outside a Tucson, Ariz. stripmall on Saturday.


The shooting attack gravely wounded Representative Giffords and killed her aide Gabriel Zimmerman, US District Judge John Roll, a nine-year-old girl, and three others. The hail of gunfire shocked the nation and reinvigorated scrutiny of rancor and anger-fueled debate in American politics.

On Sunday, Fox News quoted a Department of Homeland Security memo that states Mr. Loughner is "possibly linked" to American Renaissance, which DHS says promotes views that are "anti-government, anti-immigration, anti-ZOG [Zionist Occupational Government], anti-Semitic." Both Giffords and Mr. Zimmerman are Jewish.



American Renaissance is the publication of the The New Century Foundation, described by the Anti-Defamation League as a "self-styled think tank." The ADL, on its website, calls American Renaissance a "white supremacist journal and companion Website" that "promotes pseudoscientific studies that attempt to demonstrate the intellectual and cultural superiority of whites and publishes articles on the supposed decline of American society because of integrationist social policies."

The DHS memo quoted on Fox goes on to say: "Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, the target of Loughner’s firing frenzy, is the first Jewish female elected to such a high position in the US government. She was also opposite this group’s ideology when it came to immigration debate."

"When you look at Loughner's web posts, he puts himself out as half fantasy seeker and dreamer and half political philosopher, and American Renaissance, while a hate group, markets itself as a political philosophy organization," says Brian Levin, director of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, at San Bernardino.


Mark Pitcavage, director of investigative research at the Anti-Defamation League, is skeptical about any hard connection between Loughner and American Renaissance.

"The fans of American Renaissance tend to be older and they tend to be intellectuals or pseudo-intellectuals," says Mr. Pitcavage. "Based on the limited nature of [Loughner's] internet footprint suggesting his thoughts and beliefs, there's nothing to lead one to think he would lean that way. It's perplexing to us that there is a notion of a substantial connection."

In Arizona, particularly, immigration issues, including the passage of a tough anti-immigration law last year, overlapped with parts of the broader tea party agenda. Giffords narrowly defeated a tea party candidate in November's election. She supported the federal health-care reform law and spoke out against Arizona's tough anti-immigration law, both counter to her tea party opponent. American Renaissance's website carries what appears to be a paid tea party advertisement featuring the "Don't Tread on Me" flag that's become synonymous with many of the movement's protests.

After the shooting, Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik, a Democrat in a largely Republican state, condemned "the vitriol that comes out of certain mouths about tearing down the government." But the potential link to American Renaissance frames the shooting in a different, and possibly more complex, light.

The New Century Foundation was founded by Yale University graduate Jared Taylor, the author of several books on race and policy who has has written that diversity is "dangerous" because it is "one of the most divisive forces on the planet."

Mr. Taylor has become a well-known and oftentimes mainstream commentator on race and immigration issues, having appeared on networks like CNN as well as hard-right radio shows. The ADL describes his bailiwick as "intellectualized white supremacy."

Invited by a college conservative group to speak at Clemson in 2007, Taylor said, “It is a mistake to assume it is wrong to prefer the company of people similar to oneself. ... It is universal, and I think there’s every reason to believe there are innate biological reasons. … In [the] United States, this kind of preference … is recognized and encouraged and institutionalized so long as the people who are expressing this preference are not white.”

Fox News quoted Taylor Sunday as calling the DHS' views "scurrilous." He took especial issue with the reference to his group being "anti-ZOG."

"That is complete nonsense," he told Fox. "I have absolutely no idea what DHS is talking about. We have never used the term 'ZOG.' We have never thought in those terms. If this is the level of research we are getting from DHS, then Heaven help us."

Taylor said he checked his organization's records going back twenty years and Loughner never subscribed to American Renaissance's publications.

Through web posts and interviews with those who know him, a picture of Loughner has emerged as an anti-social, erratic and possibly mentally unstable young man, whose anti-religion and anti-flag views run starkly counter to the broader tea party platform. Caitie Parker, one of his high school classmates, says in press reports that in the past Loughner was "quite liberal," and a "political radical." Sheriff Dupnik said Saturday, "He has a troubled past, I can tell you that."

Among favorite books listed on Loughner's MySpace page are "Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley and Hitler's "Mein Kampf."


In his internet posts, Loughner complains that the government was in some way trying to take advantage of him. "I know who's listening: Government officials, and the People," Loughner wrote. "Nearly all the people, who don't know this accurate information of a new currency, aren't aware of mind control and brainwash methods. If I have my civil rights, then this message wouldn't have happen."

Some commentators minimized the likelihood Loughner was politically motivated.

"For all the instant analysis that this might be tied to political attacks on Giffords and others who supported President Obama on health-care reform, there's not a whiff of politics in Loughner's language about coins and calendars and other ramblings," writes USA Today's Cathy Lynn Grossman. "Yet he does exclaim in his YouTube video, 'No! I won't trust in God!'"

Trying to tease out definitive links between Loughner and specific political movements or groups is problematic, says Mr. Levin, of California State University.

"Extremists can be like bullets ricocheting off the political spectrum and bouncing to whatever gives them comfort or meshes with their paranoid distrust," he says.

But Levin adds that notably rancorous politics, tied to deepening distrust of government, can play a supporting role in fueling a violent attack like the one unleashed Saturday.

While expressing her condolensces to Giffords and the victims, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin removed from her website a controversial graphic from last year that showed crosshairs on 20 districts being targeted by Republicans, one of which was Giffords' seat. Liberals, including President Obama, have also used rhetoric – as well as maps with shooting targets – that could also be seen as exhorting violence.

"When we have people who are irresponsibly exploiting the political debate, one of the side effects is it's going to resonate with really unstable people who are looking for a philosophical overlay to legitimize their irrational aggression," says Levin. "What happens is they create a quasi-political philosophy that justifies their anger, so you can't necessarily pin that on one party or another."



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American Renaissance: Was Jared Lee Loughner tied to anti-immigrant group? - CSMonitor.com
 
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Details of the shooting from the press conference with FBI director and sheriff.

Loughner used a legally purchased Glock 19 9mm with a 33-round extended magazine.

A woman who shot when she tried to grab the gun out of Loughner's hands during reloading.

Loughner managed to get a second 33 round magazine in the gun, but the magazine malfunctioned because of a faulty spring.

Two men then tackled Loughner and threw the gun away.
 
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Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik condemns Arizona's gun culture

Law-enforcement officials have suggested that Arizona Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords was the target in a gunman's murderous spree yesterday (January 8) outside a Tuscon Safeway store.

The attack left six people dead, including a nine-year-old girl and a Federal Court judge. Giffords underwent emergency surgery yesterday after being shot in the head.

Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik praised the bravery of those on the scene who prevent the alleged shooter, Jared Loughner, from killing more people. One woman grabbed the gun's magazine as the killer attempted to reload his weapon, and two men tackled him to the ground.

Dupnik sidestepped a question whether or not the attack was related to Giffords being Jewish. Loughner's MySpace profile stated that one of his favourite books was Mein Kampf, which was written by Adolf Hitler.

"I vacillate between extreme sadness and and sorrow and shock, and extreme anger," Dupnik said.

He also criticized Arizona's gun culture, noting that the legislature is now promoting the idea that teachers and students should be allowed to carry weapons.

"We are the Tombstone of the United States of America," Dupnik said, referring to the ease with which people can obtain guns in his state.

Dupnik, who has been sheriff since 1980, also condemned hatred-laced commentary in the media about politics and the government, which he said can have an "impact on people who are unbalanced personalities to begin with"
 
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