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Repeated attacks and new threats against the minority group lead churches to skip decorations and evening services and families to consider leaving Iraq altogether.

By Raheem Salman, Los Angeles Times

December 25, 2010

Reporting from Baghdad —

Rimon Metti's family will go to Christian services on Christmas Day, but his relatives will be praying for their own survival and wondering whether this is their last holiday season in Baghdad. If they had any grounds for optimism about the future of their faith in Iraq, it vanished this year amid repeated attacks on fellow believers.

Metti's tree stands in the corner of his home, decorated with ornaments and tinsel. Pennants of a smiling Santa hang from a beam. But the decorations bring little Christmas cheer.

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His world changed Oct. 31, when Islamic militants took parishioners hostage at a Baghdad church. At least 58 people were killed in the siege. A week later, bombs went off in Christian neighborhoods in the capital.

A group linked to Al Qaeda took responsibility for those attacks and threatened more violence against Christians. It repeated those threats Tuesday. The next day, a council representing the country's Christian denominations advised followers to call off Christmas festivities, and many church leaders in major cities said they would not put out decorations or hold evening services.

Metti said Friday that he would attend only the service on Christmas morning and avoid the Christmas Eve Mass. His goal is simple: survival. Priests and Christian politicians are calling for this Christmas to be one of mourning for the faithful killed in October.

Metti no longer recognizes his Iraq. Once the Christian community had more than 1 million adherents, but Metti has watched its numbers shrink over his 26 years.

There have been bad times since 2003 when the Americans arrived: church bombings and the chaos of 2007, when Al Qaeda in Iraq members tried to force conversions on Christians in Baghdad; panicked exoduses from Mosul to Kurdish-protected areas after a rash of killings. But somehow Metti thought life had improved in Baghdad, and recently there was a veneer of normality. The October siege did away with that illusion.

Since then, according to the United Nations, about 1,000 Christian families have left Baghdad and Mosul for the relative safety of the Kurdish northeast. On Tuesday, the state-sponsored Christian Endowment Fund called for the creation of a secure region in Iraq where Christians could live.

Metti ran through a list of everything that is gone from his holiday. "Before, we were able to travel anywhere you wanted inside Iraq: to the north, from my neighborhood to another, to Zawra Park, or the amusement park on the canal highway. Now it is not possible."

After Christmas Day services, he will go to his aunt's home, as he does frequently on Sundays after church. But he sees little to celebrate.

"Even the government can't protect us," Metti said. "They can't protect themselves, how can they protect us!"

Baghdad has become hostile to him, he said, contending that Islamic fundamentalists are taking over Iraqi society.

"They have closed even the social clubs and bars.… The licenses are only given to either Christians or Yazidis. By closing these shops, it means they are telling us indirectly to leave!"

He used to love to go to church to see his family and friends. "Yes, the celebrations on this occasion became part of our traditions and our life," he said, "but we had to leave it behind reluctantly."

He wants to leave Iraq now, though his father rejects the idea.

"Our livelihoods are also in danger, how we can live?" Metti said. "So we should find another place to live."

Iraq, Christians: For some Iraqi Christians, this may be last Christmas in Baghdad - latimes.com
 
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>Muslim lands

Yes.

>Muslim lands wrongly invaded by foreign forces and now quell a huge lowly-educated extremist militant community

No.

Iraq, Christians: For some Iraqi Christians, this may be last Christmas in Baghdad

If this was really the case, they would have left during the first year of invasion.
 
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@Truth Seeker
You should seek truth...
Christians are perfectly safe in Muslim lands. (Rouge elements are there in every society)
But yeah,Muslim lands invaded by brutal,imperial and blood/oil thirsty foreign powers are not even safe for Muslims living there forget about minorities.
 
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Any informed individual knows the plight of the Christians before and after Operation Iraqi Freedom.

@Truthseeker you claim to have a Ph.D. I am sure you can do better than this. You are digging the bottom of the barrel.

I myself went to a Catholic School in Dhaka, Bangladesh. That school had one of the meanest teachers around , but if I were living in Dhaka now, I would recommend that school to any parent.
 
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If the Crusaders stop invading muslim lands the Christians would be a lot safer there so in other words Crusaders are directly responsible for the plight of Christians in Iraq.

In an interview with an Iraqi Christian leader currently living Iraq told BBC that " Christians were much more safer under Saddam Hussein and no one dared touching them" and were part of the fabric of the iraqi society.

If your forces will not do what they did in Guantanamo bay , Abu Guraib , Kanahar - it will just help christians in those lands to live safely !

Listen to this very very carefully

 
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If the Crusaders stop invading muslim lands the Christians would be a lot safer there so in other words Crusaders are directly responsible for the plight of Christians in Iraq.
Stop? You mean there has been constant invasions?

In an interview with an Iraqi Christian leader currently living Iraq told BBC that " Christians were much more safer under Saddam Hussein and no one dared touching them" and were part of the fabric of the iraqi society.
Source for the entire interview, please. Anyway...Iraq under Saddam Hussein was relatively calm between the groups because any hostilities not sanctioned by the government could become rebellion against the government. Saddam has good reasons to protect Christians as well as Shias, but he did favored the Sunnis. The military leadership was practically all Sunnis.

If your forces will not do what they did in Guantanamo bay , Abu Guraib , Kanahar - it will just help christians in those lands to live safely !
Aahhh...So the muslims approve of retaliation against those who have no connections whatsoever. Good to know.
 
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Truth is that Muslims are not safe in so called Muslim lands - there is a war against Muslims by such groups as the Al-Qaida, the Taliban, The Lashkar and the Jaish and the Jundallah -- and on top of this the Neocons war against Muslims -- so not even Muslims are safe in so called Muslim lands, let alone Christians -- and no, Christians are not safe in most Muslim countries.

Muslims, but also Christians are minced meat, caught as they are in the middle of the wars between extremists, on all sides -- TS has a point about Christians, but have a care about Muslims in so called Muslim lands, it's not as if they are safe and Christians are not.
 
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The # 2 in Saddam Regime, namely Tariq Aziz was a coptic christian actually..........
In passing I would like to mention that the catholic Skool my olders cousins went to in pakistan; if during assembly they did not recite the christian prayer that said"our lord J..C"
they used to get lashes on our hand at 07:30 am in cold winters! LOL....Thats was in lahore, pakistan BTW.
 
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Stop? You mean there has been constant invasions?

Gulf war 1 , Gulf War 2 , Bosnia , Kosovo , Palestine (by zionists) , Afghanistan 1 (USSR - Majority Russians are Christians) , Afghanistan 2.

open your eyes !


Source for the entire interview, please. Anyway...Iraq under Saddam Hussein was relatively calm between the groups because any hostilities not sanctioned by the government could become rebellion against the government. Saddam has good reasons to protect Christians as well as Shias, but he did favored the Sunnis. The military leadership was practically all Sunnis.

Its normal BS that you write to people which doesn't worth answering to - allow me to shut your face with some facts.

Church leader urges Iraqi Christians to quit country

7 November 2010 Last updated at 16:01 GMT
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A senior Iraqi Christian has called on believers to quit the country, after gunmen targeted a church in Baghdad.

Archbishop Athanasios Dawood, who is based in the UK, made his appeal during a service at the Syrian Orthodox Church in London.

The archbishop said Christians had been without protection since the US-led invasion in 2003.

At least 52 people died as security forces stormed a Catholic church in Baghdad to free dozens of hostages.

A number of gunmen entered Our Lady of Salvation in the city's Karrada district during Mass on Sunday 31 October, sparking an hours-long stand-off.

The militants made contact with the authorities by mobile phone, demanding the release of al-Qaeda prisoners and also of a number of Muslim women they insisted were being held prisoner by the Coptic Church in Egypt.

After negotiations failed, Iraqi security forces stormed the building, before the gunmen reportedly threw grenades and detonated their suicide vests.

On Sunday, Archbishop Dawood advised all Christians to leave Iraq now al-Qaeda had warned of more attacks there.

He told the BBC the attack on the church amounted to "genocide" and there was now no place for Christians in Iraq.

"The Christians are weak - they don't have militia, they don't have a (political) party," he said.

"You know, everybody hates the Christian. Yes, during Saddam Hussein, we were living in peace - nobody attacked us. We had human rights, we had protection from the government but now nobody protects us."

He accused the US of not delivering on its promises of democracy and human rights.


"Since 2003, there has been no protection for Christians. We've lost many people and they've bombed our homes, our churches, monasteries," he said.

"Why are we living now in this country, after we had a promise from America to bring us freedom, democracy?"

The archbishop called on the UK government to grant Christian Iraqis asylum, and called on the Iraqi government to protect Christians from militant attacks.

"Before they killed one, one, one but now, tens, tens. If they do that, they will finish us if we stay in Iraq," he added.

Christians - as ethnic Assyrians - have lived in Iraq since the 1st Century, but following the fall of Saddam Hussein, they have become isolated and the Baghdad government has proved unwilling or unable to protect them.

There has been a string of bomb attacks on churches leading many to flee to neighbouring countries.

Church leaders have in the past advised the faithful to stay in Iraq and strengthen their communities, but such is the insecurity, there are signs this policy may be about to change.

BBC News - Church leader urges Iraqi Christians to quit country
 
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Gulf war 1 ,
Are you saying muslims who supported Desert Storm are 'crusaders'?

Gulf War 2
Same question, except now we include al-Qaeda who killed Iraqi muslims.

, Bosnia , Kosovo ,
We protected muslims there, remember?

Palestine (by zionists) ,
Then fight the Jews, why go after Christians?

Afghanistan 1 (USSR - Majority Russians are Christians) ,
Aahh...So all nominal 'Christian' countries have the same animosity against muslims.

Afghanistan 2.
Taliban supported al-Qaeda, who attacked US. Remember?

open your eyes !
Your list is a very weak argument/justification for the retaliation against Christians.
 
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Even Muslims are not safe in Muslim lands i.e. depending on which sect Shia vs Sunni....so forget about Christians and the rest
 
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I think Christians enjoy good living in most Muslim countries aside from Saudi Arabia where there are strict rules for best of muslims even.

Religious killing , or killing of anyone is illegal and those who commit such crimes are not muslims but misguided people.

In general minorities are always the ones that suffer in any majority so its a universal trend

Which is why I love dicatorship as its equallly damadgeing to both majority and minorities :victory:
 
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