Arab pressure working against Hindu radicals?

[Anik101]

Hindutvas are anti Islam/muslim, why would they acknowledge it? certainly looks like arab pressure.

regards

Calling wrong doing as bad is hindutva and appreciating humanitarian gesture is Arab pressure.....LOL
Height of delusional thinking by Pakistanis...

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes they are lol, stop being in denial. Not only are they your countrymen, but they have more political power and representation than you.



So? When I say it, I'm giving sincere advice to Indian Muslims. When they say it, it's because they're threatening Indian Muslims and warning them about what's going to happen to them. Either way, listening to me/them is more sensible than going along with you and trusting a state which has already been captured.



This is what I'm talking about. Even the "sympathetic" Hindus will start getting put off when they hear the shahada and realize that every Indian Muslim isn't a clone of APJ Kalam. These are the people Indian Muslims should entrust their future to.



No, I've heard your kind of viewpoints before. They're just not interesting or realistic to me anymore.

I have said whatever was necessary to be said, and reached those who can be reached.

Samajhne wale samajh gaye hai.....

 

[American Pakistani]

I don't see India doing anything like that here. You are confusing the dynamics of Pakistan with China with that of India and Arabs.

You guys repeat this like a parrot, while the reality and facts are screaming otherwise. We all saw how India bowed to lord dolaaan trummp and we also now watching how Bharti now bowing down to arabs backing off.

Whatever land India claims, you will find in the subcontinent itself. We don't bother with far away lands.

This won't stop Muslims to eventually claim India like before.

Sour grapes moments...

 

[prashantazazel]

This won't stop Muslims to eventually claim India like before.

What's a claim without power to back it up?
Such claims are rare anyways, and from your religious scholars. I don't see any military making such claims.

 

[W.11]

Calling wrong doing as bad is hindutva and appreciating humanitarian gesture is Arab pressure.....LOL
Height of delusional thinking by Pakistanis...

it requires a human to appreciate humanitarian gesture, which i dont think hindutvas are.

regards

 

[xeuss]

@xeuss if you solidfy your argument like you just did and dont resort to counter identity-politics

When time permits, would you care to expound upon what you mean by "don't resort to counter identity politics"?

I do not want to respond to something that may not have been your intention.

Clamp down the powerful parasites among your community.
Look at the anti CAA protestors,they even managed to book Deepika Padukone to address them.
You mean all this is for free.
How much they spend for this protest?
Why they didnt use that money for welfare of poor people among their community ?
The end result of that protest and slogans was that
more suspicion among non Muslims, majority people .And those who even supported also with draw their support later.

These parasites only want money and political power .When that affects other communities there will be a reaction .The profound rightwing achievements is because of that reaction.
Clampdown them and take care of yourselves .
The entire nation will support you

The modern Hindu, loves to spend every breathing minute of his, trying to reform Islam and liberate Muslims.

Perhaps they should peek within their own society and look at the depravity consuming it and start from there.

 

[SrNair]

When time permits, would you care to expound upon what you mean by "don't resort to counter identity politics"?

I do not want to respond to something that may not have been your intention.



The modern Hindu, loves to spend every breathing minute of his, trying to reform Islam and liberate Muslims.

Perhaps they should peek within their own society and look at the depravity consuming it and start from there.

Of Course we can start from shutting down of reservation .Right?
If you want to become better ,then do it .
Donot cry for the victimisation later .

No religion is better .Best thing is that do mind in their own business.Hindus knows how to evolve.
That is how we abolished a lots of social evils .
So dont worry about us .
Mind in your own business in your own community .
Reign in the parasitic elements ,if not you can see the majoratarian rule in rest of your life.

 

[Nilgiri]

When time permits, would you care to expound upon what you mean by "don't resort to counter identity politics"?

I do not want to respond to something that may not have been your intention.



The modern Hindu, loves to spend every breathing minute of his, trying to reform Islam and liberate Muslims.

Perhaps they should peek within their own society and look at the depravity consuming it and start from there.

Yah I regretted wording it that way clumsily once I looked at it again.

I meant using identity politics of your own to fight another's identity politics. The same ole monolith-dynamic and using eye for an eye emotionally and not caring about who is with you in the mob etc.

We should all rather be counter to identity politics itself (as far as possible)....rather than cultivating/indulging more of it. The latter might feel more natural...but its actually illogical and immoral in the larger sense.

But I get this is aspirational kind of thing (and I speak to it with that in mind), there is a real world with real hurt done....and its easy to preach not knowing particular personal situations and experiences of people that are still in the more immediate visceral response cycle. Emotions and angst are real after all.

 

[xeuss]

Of Course we cant start from shutting down of reservation .Right?
If you want to become better ,then do it .
Donot cry for the victimisation later .

No religion is better .Best thing is that do mind in their own business.Hindus knows how to evolve.
That is how we abolished a lots of social evils .
So dont worry about us .
Mind in your own business in your own community .
Reign in the parasitic elements ,if not you can see the majoratarian rule in rest of your life.

Right now, north Indian Hindus in my office in Delhi do not want us to hire any more Keralites. They say that the Mallus (actual word used) always sit together in their corner and don't mix with us and talk in their own language. Another big complaint is the food that the Mallus bring in the office canteen.

I can see how much Hindus have reformed and evolved.

 

[SrNair]

Right now, north Indian Hindus in my office in Delhi do not want us to hire any more Keralites. They say that the Mallus (actual word used) always sit together in their corner and don't mix with us and talk in their own language. Another big complaint is the food that the Mallus bring in the office canteen.

I can see how much Hindus have reformed and evolved.

So ?
And in that group of Keralites comprise all religions.
Even though we are very religious ,we knows where to use that one .

But that doesnt mean that we cant understand our Hindu brothers in North .Even I got an interest from a Hindu Jatt girl in our Kerala matrimony when one of my relative uploaded my profile ( without my knowledge) as a time pass .And a UP one also.
So what I meant is time changed.

Keralites knows how to live .
So stay on topic

 

[xeuss]

Yah I regretted wording it that way clumsily once I looked at it again.

I meant using identity politics of your own to fight another's identity politics. The same ole monolith-dynamic and using eye for an eye emotionally and not caring about who is with you in the mob etc.

We should all rather be counter to identity politics itself (as far as possible)....rather than cultivating/indulging more of it. The latter might feel more natural...but its actually illogical and immoral in the larger sense.

But I get this is aspirational kind of thing (and I speak to it with that in mind), there is a real world with real hurt done....and its easy to preach not knowing particular personal situations and experiences of people that are still in the more immediate visceral response cycle. Emotions and angst are real after all.

So what you are suggesting, is that Muslims should not assert their identity when trying to defend themselves from attacks (physical/verbal/economic) from the Hindu RW. When the basis of this discrimination is the identity of the Muslims, it is a little rich stating that the defense should not be identity based.

What do you suggest then Muslims should do? Give up on their identity? Some Muslims already have done that. Many Muslim business do not use explicit Muslim names, but still end up getting targeted because of the "lists" that conveniently float around during times of crisis.

If I have misunderstood you, then apologies.

 

[Nilgiri]

So what you are suggesting, is that Muslims should not assert their identity when trying to defend themselves from attacks (physical/verbal/economic) from the Hindu RW. When the basis of this discrimination is the identity of the Muslims, it is a little rich stating that the defense should not be identity based.

What do you suggest then Muslims should do? Give up on their identity? Some Muslims already have done that. Many Muslim business do not use explicit Muslim names, but still end up getting targeted because of the "lists" that conveniently float around during times of crisis.

If I have misunderstood you, then apologies.

Nope I am not saying that at all. Maybe we are getting lost on what "identity politics" means, definition wise and symptom wise.

Former wise...is long topic on its own....which maybe we can broach later. Its not about asserting identity genuinely though.

Latter-wise...its almost always (when intrinsic/born, rather than gained identity):

a) reactionary b) exclusionary c) mobbish

I think you will need more weathering and experience here to see more fully what some of those that you hit like for (the larger mob "latching" that goes on here from my standpoint at least). i.e What many seem to actually think of Indian muslims (at large)...and what they have even said blatantly here on this very forum (whole threads of it) before.

Not everything is a calm steady wave of undying, eternal and genuine and well-intended support...in fact probably furthest thing from it. It works in cycles you see, you have been here a few months. Give it a few years. Things get explained much better that way (and maybe already started) if you are perceptive fellow (and I notice you are), far better than I could.

 

[ChennaiDude]

Right now, north Indian Hindus in my office in Delhi do not want us to hire any more Keralites. They say that the Mallus (actual word used) always sit together in their corner and don't mix with us and talk in their own language. Another big complaint is the food that the Mallus bring in the office canteen.

I can see how much Hindus have reformed and evolved.

I think you are mixing culture with religion- Maybe I am reading it wrong.

 

[xeuss]

Nope I am not saying that at all. Maybe we are getting lost on what "identity politics" means, definition wise and symptom wise.

Former wise...is long topic on its own....which maybe we can broach later. Its not about asserting identity genuinely though.

Latter-wise...its almost always (when intrinsic/born, rather than gained identity):

a) reactionary b) exclusionary c) mobbish

I think you will need more weathering and experience here to see more fully what some of those that you hit like for (the larger mob "latching" that goes on here from my standpoint at least). i.e What many seem to actually think of Indian muslims (at large)...and what they have even said blatantly here on this very forum (whole threads of it) before.

Not everything is a calm steady wave of undying, eternal and genuine and well-intended support...in fact probably furthest thing from it. It works in cycles you see, you have been here a few months. Give it a few years. Things get explained much better that way (and maybe already started) if you are perceptive fellow (and I notice you are), far better than I could.

Fair enough, and thanks for taking the time to explain what you wanted to convey. I would like to discuss the former, whenever time permits, and I agree to postpone it for now.

I would agree with your other sentiments though and would not absolve myself from what you are trying to say.

But you bring up an interesting point, that is, what Pakistanis think of Indian Muslims. I am aware of their varied thoughts when it comes to Indian Muslims. That is natural right? No community ever has a singular thought process.

However, what ever Pakistanis say about Indian Muslims, has little bearing on our lives in India. They can love us or hate us, but it does not change what is happening with us in India.

On the other hand, when a Hindu spews hate against Muslims in India, that has a direct bearing on our lives, because our lives are intertwined in India. Even if the hate is online or on a forum, it simply reflects what the larger society thinks of us. That cycle is only increasing, because hate needs to be fed to continue to live, and every lie or half truth that is spoken on a new day, adds fuel to the fire.

At the present moment, when we are staring at millions and millions of us becoming stateless in India, and an unending future of misery and poverty, should I be bothered what Pakistanis or Chinese or Mexicans think of us?

Both you and Joe think that this time will pass, and India will return to being that secular, democratic republic. I don't see it that way. That hate, which has consumed India, will not end one day with the average Hindu deciding that from now on, he doesn't hate Muslims anymore. Sadly, lot of Muslims will have to be killed for there to be a revulsion to this hate, before things will improve.

 

[Hiptullha]

So what you are suggesting, is that Muslims should not assert their identity when trying to defend themselves from attacks (physical/verbal/economic) from the Hindu RW. When the basis of this discrimination is the identity of the Muslims, it is a little rich stating that the defense should not be identity based.

What do you suggest then Muslims should do? Give up on their identity? Some Muslims already have done that. Many Muslim business do not use explicit Muslim names, but still end up getting targeted because of the "lists" that conveniently float around during times of crisis.

If I have misunderstood you, then apologies.

Identity politics reigns supreme in India. It is "sattvic" for these Hindus to do politics on their caste, language and ethnicity and they've managed to acquire all sorts of nice reservations and domicile laws through acting like violent chimps and destroying property. To see Hindus of all people rail against identity politics is the funniest shit I've ever seen and just further proves my point that they are vacuous people you shouldn't be taking any advice from.