Arab -Israel Dog Fights

[waraich66]

 

[FaujHistorian]

Real dog fight even though cruel is much more equal (usually) than the one sided drubbing of Arab AF at the hands of Israelis.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Any mention of the volunteer pilots from PAF ???

 

[FaujHistorian]

Any mention of the volunteer pilots from PAF ???

There were none.

All claims by soem Islamists marxists about such battles have been soundly discredited based on israeli and pakistani flight logs (or lack of them).

Thank you

 

[Leviza]

This whole video is full of lies, All who knows dog fight can see this ...

 

[Bratva]

There were none.

All claims by soem Islamists marxists about such battles have been soundly discredited based on israeli and pakistani flight logs (or lack of them).

Thank you

Interview of Air Cdre (R) Sattar Alvi to a local newspaper, Ummat. Good narration of events from Arab-Isreal war' 1973.

ALT link

 

[FaujHistorian]

Alvi needs to prove it using camera footage in possession of PAF

We have documentary evidence even from WW-2

73 and 67 were much later

once such documentary evidence is in our hands

we can cross check that against Israeli records


This is how air-kill claims are verified

without verification, such stories about dog fights on the village streets and not over Israeli air

Thank you

This whole video is full of lies, All who knows dog fight can see this ...

Why you say so. you crushed my heart. I loved youtube

which part of video is lie

and which one not

 

[MastanKhan]

Any mention of the volunteer pilots from PAF ???

Hi,

There is no reason to bring them up. Israel was not at war with pakistan.

 

[Chak Bamu]

PAF's contribution was not overt. It was not meant to be overt. Even though there was an element of GOP's willing participation, it has always been hushed up. After reading a number of accounts, this much is quite apparent. Therefore, nobody is going to go all-out Sherlock on this one. @FaujHistorian is rather selective about which rumors he will certify and which ones he would trash. It is no surprise that he would belittle these claims and demand highest standards of proof, knowing full well that it shall never be done. Why? He is ideologically opposed to any Islamic leaning, any effort that intends to support Ummah, any measure that could warm a believer's heart. When he goes: "Islamic-marxist " blah blah blah, you can well understand his intention as well as his bias.

Islamic and Marxist can not be joined anyhow you try. Use Elfi, use Araldite, use Epoxy, use any common / uncommon adhesive, you just can not do it. Only an uncommon disregard for logic, historical knowledge, and plain common sense can make some one claim what the heck ever Fauj claims.

 

[FaujHistorian]

PAF's contribution was not overt. It was not meant to be overt.

Covert things should remain covert.
only discuss overty the overt ones.

Confusion (oops Confucius) says!

Hi,

There is no reason to bring them up. Israel was not at war with pakistan.

Well said.

 

[Informant]

One has to admit the Israeli AF's *** kicking of the Arab AirForces. Have to hand it to them, and now they are simply untouchable.

 

[FaujHistorian]

in this Israeli-Arab dog fights, Pakistanis have no bone to pick

Confucius says

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

When a generation has gone by----there is no reason to bring this issue out again---. We don't need more enemies---we don't need YOUNGER ENEMIES.

Those episodes have brought us nothing but trouble---. Sometimes it is better just to move ahead and don't look back.

The issue of pak pilots was an anamoly---it did not change anything in the war----in just a couple of skirmishes they came ahead---that is all. Ther war was lost.

 

[RAMPAGE]

PAF's contribution was not overt. It was not meant to be overt. Even though there was an element of GOP's willing participation, it has always been hushed up. After reading a number of accounts, this much is quite apparent. Therefore, nobody is going to go all-out Sherlock on this one. @FaujHistorian is rather selective about which rumors he will certify and which ones he would trash. It is no surprise that he would belittle these claims and demand highest standards of proof, knowing full well that it shall never be done. Why? He is ideologically opposed to any Islamic leaning, any effort that intends to support Ummah, any measure that could warm a believer's heart. When he goes: "Islamic-marxist " blah blah blah, you can well understand his intention as well as his bias.

Islamic and Marxist can not be joined anyhow you try. Use Elfi, use Araldite, use Epoxy, use any common / uncommon adhesive, you just can not do it. Only an uncommon disregard for logic, historical knowledge, and plain common sense can make some one claim what the heck ever Fauj claims.

Well said.

There were none.

All claims by soem Islamists marxists about such battles have been soundly discredited based on israeli and pakistani flight logs (or lack of them).

Thank you

@Azlan Haider Sir g aap nai MR. Fauj ko aik nia lafaz sikha dia hai.

 

[FaujHistorian]

Well said.

@Azlan Haider Sir g aap nai MR. Fauj ko aik nia lafaz sikha dia hai.

hahaha

Rampage ji

When @Chak Bamu and you start attacking the messenger when you both ran out of "military/airforce gun camera/flight logs based proofs".

Not very nice

Expected better from your excellency.