April 10, 2013-Pakistan test-fires Hatf-4 Shaheen-I

[JonAsad]

its a simple land attack ballistic missile- why guys are confused about its sea strike capability (carrier or ships) is above me- There are none-

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Nope...Pakistan also test missile on a overland path...

But then the villages like Dadu may fall en-route. Seaward launches are safer.

 

[AHAM BRIHMASMI]

Surprising that this was mentioned...anyway now our Indian friends might rest in peace, they often said that we don't launch into the sea.

If you remember @AhaseebA, we had a discussion about this after the Dadu debris case!

I doubt that a pdf mod can be such ignorant to take a test launch into the sea as capability of hitting a ship or sea target. so I will take this post as a troll.

anyway, congratulation for a successful launch.

 

[JonAsad]

I doubt that a pdf mod can be such ignorant to take a test launch into the sea as capability of hitting a ship or sea target. so I will take this post as a troll.

anyway, congratulation for a successful launch.

if some thing is stationary at sea- you can hit it with a ballistic missile- any stationary target on land or sea within the range can be hit- if it misses- which it eventuall will- the resulted waves could surely capsize any ship i guess-

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btw the logic behind the test confused me-

amidst N Korean nuclear missile crisis- why there was a need to put Pakistan in the fray on international level?-

thats a statement or a scheduled test- Very Bad timing-

 

[Jango]

But then the villages like Dadu may fall en-route. Seaward launches are safer.

Yes they do...generally they don't fail as spectacularly as the one in Dadu....and launching towards sea from South or Western Pak does not always mean that you won't hit population in case of a failure, case in point...Dadu.

Unless you launch from right on the shore, you always have a over population flight path.

I doubt that a pdf mod can be such ignorant to take a test launch into the sea as capability of hitting a ship or sea target. so I will take this post as a troll.

anyway, congratulation for a successful launch.

Actually it is you who is ignorant, if you can't understand the post, then don't go on ranting.

BTW< have you even seen the full thread?

Your own brethren may explain better to you.. @Capt.Popeye

 

[Windjammer]

O yar man lo baat...it was just a splash in the sea.

We all know the media's shoddy work in military related affairs.

its a simple land attack ballistic missile- why guys are confused about its sea strike capability (carrier or ships) is above me- There are none-

My dears, no one is claiming for the missile to be a carrier killer rather it was probably fired into the sea for maximum range capacity, however the target was allegedly an area designated by floating flags or something to determine it's CEP.
In land tests the CEP for Shaheen-1 was around 15 meters.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Yes they do...generally they don't fail as spectacularly as the one in Dadu....and launching towards sea from South or Western Pak does not always mean that you won't hit population in case of a failure, case in point...Dadu.

Unless you launch from right on the shore, you always have a over population flight path.

Which is why Missile Test Ranges are to Seaward OR over stretches of uninhabited territory like Siberia or Xinjiang. In densely populated South Asia, the Seaward option is the better option. The Dadu episode proved that.

 

[Jango]

Which is why Missile Test Ranges are to Seaward OR over stretches of uninhabited territory like Siberia or Xinjiang. In densely populated South Asia, the Seaward option is the better option. The Dadu episode proved that.

That one was also going towards the sea.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

That one was also going towards the sea.

So should the rest. Its the safer option.

 

[AHAM BRIHMASMI]

Yes they do...generally they don't fail as spectacularly as the one in Dadu....and launching towards sea from South or Western Pak does not always mean that you won't hit population in case of a failure, case in point...Dadu.

Unless you launch from right on the shore, you always have a over population flight path.



Actually it is you who is ignorant, if you can't understand the post, then don't go on ranting.

BTW< have you even seen the full thread?

Your own brethren may explain better to you.. @Capt.Popeye

I think it is you, who should read the whole thread. If you would have, then you should have got the clarification from other pdf members itself. let me do a faver to you by copying from post number 51 of nuclearpak.
I think there is a need to put all the things in perspective as I think this all kicked off due to my post in the first page.

The launch was not at a target on the sea nor was it a carrier killer or anything, it was just a normal ballistic missile with a target made at the sea just as it would have been on land. It was made on the sea because of restriction issues on land.

Launches from the South of Pakistan are made into the sea while those from Attock or Jhelum go towards Balochistan.

Now why was this statement made bold and noticed? Because in a couple of launches before when the launch site was in SIndh, there was a discussion among members that the launch was towards sea. Me and @AhaseebA vouched for it and said that launches are conducted towards the sea. Some Indian members pointed out that Pakistan does not have the capability to track missile movement and hence cannot launch MRBM's into the sea. At that point, we had no proof so couldn't prove the point further and laid it to rest.

Now this statement comes which indirectly shows that Pakistan does indeed have capability to track MRBM's over sea and check the target point.

This has nothing to do with a carrier killer, or a Naval strategic command or naval missile or anything. @Munir, I hope this clears up things.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...t-fires-hatf-4-shaheen-i-4.html#ixzz2Q99fS2pZ

 

[Capt.Popeye]

I think it is you, who should read the whole thread. If you had, then you should have got the clarification from other pdf members itself.

TB, I think you are being unfair. @nuclearpak actually busted that idea of the idea of this being an ASBM. He said that very clearly, some other confused souls did all the dramatic extrapolations on the thread, maps and all. It is not an ASBM, that is clear as daylight.
The missile was fired to seawards as a measure of abundant caution, as it should be, This was to avoid a replication of the Dadu mishap earlier.

 

[Jango]

I think it is you, who should read the whole thread. If you would have, then you should have got the clarification from other pdf members itself. let me do a faver to you by copying from post number 51 of nuclearpak.
I think there is a need to put all the things in perspective as I think this all kicked off due to my post in the first page.

The launch was not at a target on the sea nor was it a carrier killer or anything, it was just a normal ballistic missile with a target made at the sea just as it would have been on land. It was made on the sea because of restriction issues on land.

Launches from the South of Pakistan are made into the sea while those from Attock or Jhelum go towards Balochistan.

Now why was this statement made bold and noticed? Because in a couple of launches before when the launch site was in SIndh, there was a discussion among members that the launch was towards sea. Me and @AhaseebA vouched for it and said that launches are conducted towards the sea. Some Indian members pointed out that Pakistan does not have the capability to track missile movement and hence cannot launch MRBM's into the sea. At that point, we had no proof so couldn't prove the point further and laid it to rest.

Now this statement comes which indirectly shows that Pakistan does indeed have capability to track MRBM's over sea and check the target point.

This has nothing to do with a carrier killer, or a Naval strategic command or naval missile or anything. @Munir, I hope this clears up things.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/pakist...t-fires-hatf-4-shaheen-i-4.html#ixzz2Q99fS2pZ

Uh...are you sure you are not under any influence of alcohol?

Do we have a doctor on the forum? Can somebody give this guy a medical checkup?

I think you are being unfair. @nuclearpak actually busted that idea of the idea of this being an ASBM. He said that very clearly, some other confused souls did all the dramatic extrapolations on the thread, maps and all. It is not an ASBM, that is clear as daylight.
The missile was fired to seawards as a measure od abundant caution, as it should be, This was to avoid a replication of the Dadu mishap earlier.

He is quoting my own post to clear me...!

 

[TheFlyingPretzel]

Considering that comments have been made suggesting that the Shaheen-IA follows a depressed trajectory, I'm egging to find out how that is an advantage over and above a conventional ballistic trajectory that reaches high into the atmosphere, the trajectory of which is more likely to be beyond the operational reach of the PAD and the AAD.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Uh...are you sure you are not under any influence of alcohol?

Do we have a doctor on the forum? Can somebody give this guy a medical checkup?



He is quoting my own post to clear me...!

@nuclearpak. You have explained things very well wrt this aspect as has @AhaseebA I think. Please leave it there, if you wish. @tharkibuddha will be able to re-read the matters and clear his erroneous belief.

 

[fatman17]

Pakistan Tests Improved Shaheen Missile

Apr. 10, 2013 - 04:02PM |

By Usman Ansari



ISLAMABAD &#8212; Pakistan has test-fired an improved variant of its Shaheen-1 (Falcon-1) HATF-IV/Vengeance-IV short-range ballistic missile, another step in ensuring the survivability of its strategic forces.

According to a press release by the military&#8217;s Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) media branch, &#8220;The missile incorporates a series of improvements in range and technical parameters of the existing missile. It is capable of carrying nuclear and conventional warheads to a range of 900 km.&#8221;

The test missile was stated to have struck a predetermined spot in the Arabian Sea. No specific details of the improvements were given.

However, aside from being a &#8220;part of a series of tests designed to validate improved technical parameters such as propulsion, range, guidance and accuracy,&#8221; Mansoor Ahmed, from Quaid-e-Azam University&#8217;s Department of Defence and Strategic Studies, said today&#8217;s test has added significance.

&#8220;This particular test demonstrated enhanced range of 900 kilometers over 750 kilometers for previous versions, and most likely would also have tested advanced missile defense countermeasures or maneuverable re-entry or a post separation correction system for single warhead ballistic missiles, which was earlier tested on the Shaheen-1A,&#8221; said Ahmed, who specializes in Pakistan&#8217;s national deterrent and delivery program.

Given the growing conventional and nuclear disparity between India and Pakistan, Ahmed says Pakistan&#8217;s continuing missile tests &#8220;ought to be seen as part of an ongoing process of ensuring the survivability and effectiveness of its strategic forces in order to diversify its response options through a nuclear triad that provides assured deterrence for all levels of the threat spectrum.&#8221;

Harsh V. Pant, Reader in International Relations, Department of Defence Studies, King&#8217;s College, London, says the Shaheen &#8220;is important for Pakistan for maintaining a robust deterrence stability vis-à-vis India and its operationalization should help Pakistan in providing assured deterrence across a wide range of nuclear threat spectrum.&#8221;
He is, however, of the opinion that Pakistan&#8217;s increased production of nuclear warheads seems to be at odds with &#8220;maintaining strategic symmetry with India.&#8221;

Far from maintaining balance, Pant claims Pakistan&#8217;s pursuit of tactical nuclear weapons has caused a certain &#8220;amount of panic in India.&#8221;

&#8220;Given India&#8217;s nuclear doctrine of credible minimum deterrent and no first use, tactical weapons change the equation radically, and New Delhi is finding it difficult to respond, especially given the role of nonstate actors in the mix.&#8221;

Pakistan&#8217;s missile developments seem to be following an evolutionary course in order to maintain a semblance of balance and credible deterrence in the face of India&#8217;s conventional and nuclear modernization and expansion efforts.

Pakistan&#8217;s missiles, therefore, are steadily improving in areas such as range, accuracy and ease of deployment and operation.

They are also evolving in response to Indian developments, such as maneuvering warheads to counter Indian missile defenses; submarine-launched nuclear-armed land attack cruise missiles to match India&#8217;s submarine-launched ballistic missiles; and also tactical nuclear weapons such as the Nasr HATF-IX system to counter any potentially overwhelming Indian conventional attack.