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You might also like to consider the fact that neither someone as authoritative as Ramesh Majumdar nor anyone else could have said with certainty that the Dravidian people were part of the IVC, nor even that the Dravidian language was part of the culture. At most, they could say that at present a Dravidian language exists in the hills of Baluchistan, and there is reason to believe that it was quite widespread earlier. It might well have been akin to the language spoken in the great cities, but no one ca tell, since the Indus language is lost now.

About people, there are Mediterranean people everywhere. There is no definite proof about who the IVC people were.

Point well taken.However,my earlier post had a slightly different focal point.I was pointing out that it is not possible any more to carry out any sensible form of discussion after one party starts lying blatantly.
 
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I do not know why, whenever one comes across an Indian and if he knows that I am a Pakistani Muslim, he would always say "Adaab". It is indeed surprising for most of the Pakistanis that I know.

Here in Pakistan, we never welcome each other with Adaab.

Why are Muslims welcomed with "Adaab" in India.

Not a troll - an honest statement.

Point well taken.However,my earlier post had a slightly different focal point.I was pointing out that it is not possible any more to carry out any sensible form of discussion after one party starts lying blatantly.

You may like to understand the difference between argumentative analysis or critique and what you call lying. Please!
 
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I do not know why, whenever one comes across an Indian and if he knows that I am a Pakistani Muslim, he would always say "Adaab". It is indeed surprising for most of the Pakistanis that I know.

Here in Pakistan, we never welcome each other with Adaab.

Why are Muslims welcomed with "Adaab" in India.

Not a troll - an honest statement.



You may like to understand the difference between argumentative analysis or critique and what you call lying. Please!

Actually Not, Even Muslims greet each other with Salam "Assalam wale kum" and even Non Muslims does that to Muslims. "Aaadab" is rather than Islamic a cultural word and used nearby Lucknow and used in very casual sense. Not used generally in India.
 
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You may like to understand the difference between argumentative analysis or critique and what you call lying. Please!

ohh.. please..give it a break.. Misquoting a historian,if knowingly,then its a lie,if unknowingly,then its crime...
 
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If you don't know how to conduct analytical discussion, don't interfere and put across stupid comments.

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Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.
-Martin Luther King Jr.
Have been part of a great many debates.Lot of people make mistakes there,but a fool of only finest breed will ever try to lie and then cling on to it.
 
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I do not know why, whenever one comes across an Indian and if he knows that I am a Pakistani Muslim, he would always say "Adaab". It is indeed surprising for most of the Pakistanis that I know.

Here in Pakistan, we never welcome each other with Adaab.

Why are Muslims welcomed with "Adaab" in India.

Not a troll - an honest statement.
"Adaab","Khuda",Khuda-Hafiz" etc words were more popular throughout indian subcontinent.Its after partition India west of Radcliffe line in there penchant to be different from india east of Radcliffe line were trying to be more arabs than arabs themselves started replacing everything.Aur jo kuch qasar baaki thi Zia ke period ne poori kar di.

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"Adaab","Khuda",Khuda-Hafiz" etc words were more popular throughout indian subcontinent.Its after partition India west of Radcliffe line in there penchant to be different from india east of Radcliffe line were trying to be more arabs than arabs themselves started replacing everything.Aur jo kuch qasar baaki thi Zia ke period ne poori kar di.

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This thread is about "India" so lets be specific to India only and no need to bring or compare Pakistan here. If you know something then share if not stay away of it.

As a suggestion, No need to "Poke" in every thread with your "half-cooked" knowledge and "weird" opinions thrown as proof.
 
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Point well taken.However,my earlier post had a slightly different focal point.I was pointing out that it is not possible any more to carry out any sensible form of discussion after one party starts lying blatantly.

On that aspect, I put it to you that it might have been a straw Man argument, poorly executed and injudiciously selected, rather than a lie. Considering that Ticker is one of the best advocates of the argument for Pakistan, it is difficult to believe that his intention was to falsify. He does tend to drive me into fits of rage, but I believed that his integrity was never in question. If you were to be generous in your assessment on this occasion, no harm may have been done, and nothing permanently harmful may happen.

Do consider.

This thread is about "India" so lets be specific to India only and no need to bring or compare Pakistan here. If you know something then share if not stay away of it.

As a suggestion, No need to "Poke" in every thread with your "half-cooked" knowledge and "weird" opinions thrown as proof.

I must plead guilty then, since my impression was the same as ajtr.
 
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Its a little sickening to see this tamasha of claiming IVC, Urdu and what not.. Guys, always remember

1. Those who have no faith left in their own Karma, become fanatical about their religion
2. Those who have no faith left in their future, become possessive about their past..

Move on.. Let the Pakistani bros live with their IVC and origins of Urdu..

I am for one enjoying this tamasha from day one. Their claims and counter claims mean nothing in evolutionary milestone. Just by hijacking their ancestry they will not be able to plug all the holes.
 
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I am for one enjoying this tamasha from day one. Their claims and counter claims mean nothing in evolutionary milestone. Just by hijacking their ancestry they will not be able to plug all the holes.


I think we are totally failing to get the point.

In my personal opinion, which is shared, incidentally, by many Pakistani liberals, Jinnah set out to create a reserved homeland which would be a Muslim-majority preserve. He landed up with a partitioned country, an outcome that he may have had in mind from the outset, but had not considered to be his only option. In this, whatever the constitutional form the new entity took, his basic premise, repeated from time to time, seems to have been that no law would clash with the fundamental principles of Islam - a very far cry from a commitment to an Islamic state.

Unfortunately, it is all too easy to slide under the table without the support of a strong figure of authority. Liaqat Ali Khan was not a strong figure. The slide started with him, with the passing of the Objectives Resolution, and continued.

At the same time, the quest for an identity other than Islamic has been a part of Pakistan's cultural life from the outset. One of the strongest inputs came with Aitzaz Ahsan's articulation of a separate cultural entity on the banks of the Indus, in his book the Indus Saga And The Making of Pakistan.

I want to reproduce an excerpt on the Book out of "The London TIMES' LITERARY SUPPLEMENT: LONDON (August 8, 1997) "Indus man's resistance" : The question of Pakistani identity is fraught with paradoxes and ambiguities. Unlike its nearest neighbours - most notably India, Iran and China - it has no grand narrative of cultural heritage; created to serve a historical and political need, it has continuously to invent, and reinvent, its own story. Is Pakistan a religious state, or an ideological construct? Does it, in spite of their much-articulated difference of religious identities (which have come to be seen as ethnicities), owe its cultural heritage entirely to India, of which it is often considered an amputated limb? Or, in the rising tide of fanaticism that threatens to engulf some of its Muslim neighbours, is it fulfilling a long-neglected agenda of returning to spiritual roots in the Arab or Middle Eastern world? These questions are addressed, with a dense and often bewildering proliferation of detail, by Aitzaz Ahsan in The Indus Saga and the Making of Pakistan. Ahsan is a lawyer, which makes the breadth of his historical, sociological and cultural research all the more impressive.

It is this quest that we are witnessing in this thread and in others, and that makes them hold out doggedly for a complete and unalloyed link with the IVC, however opposed to the facts that might be. It behoves us to enter into any discussion on this topic with sensitivity and a delicate touch (would that I followed my own advice at all times!).

Perhaps this thread too calls for a great deal of generosity when considering not only the arguments, but also the tactics accompanying the presentation of these arguments.
 
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This is regarding what I have seen on TV news yesterday, In India do you guyz have border gates within state to state? I saw something like that...
 
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This is regarding what I have seen on TV news yesterday, In India do you guyz have border gates within state to state? I saw something like that...


Yes we have...bcs the tax structure is different for different states and trucks carrying goods have to pay the required tax at the border gates before allowed to go inside other states. Also public transport vehicles have to pay road tax.
 
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On that aspect, I put it to you that it might have been a straw Man argument, poorly executed and injudiciously selected, rather than a lie. Considering that Ticker is one of the best advocates of the argument for Pakistan, it is difficult to believe that his intention was to falsify. He does tend to drive me into fits of rage, but I believed that his integrity was never in question. If you were to be generous in your assessment on this occasion, no harm may have been done, and nothing permanently harmful may happen.

Do consider.



I must plead guilty then, since my impression was the same as ajtr.

Okay.Lets move on..
 
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