Any questions Regarding India

[Ticker]

You can start with Indus Valley Civilization and subsequently move forward with Vedic civilization,Mahajanapadas and the Magadha empire.Subsequently you can look into the Dravidian civilizations like Cholas,Chalukyas,Pandyas,Pallavas.

Some are ancient civilizations aging back to thousands of year BC,some are more modern,belonging to the medieval era.After you finish upto this,you can start with the later civlizations.Given you the names,I think I have given you the name of a historian as well in one of my earlier posts,"R.C.Mazumdar".Read some his books.

So many civilizations embedded in one place. Excellent - I didn't know this - will have to study Mr. Mazumdar if he also agrees with equating a civilization with an empire.

Thank you indeed for this piece of information.

 

[Ticker]

As I already pointed out you are not the scion of IVC or Swat or Pushkalavati because the heritage was not created by history Iranian people. Second you guys claim Urdu, here is an informative map about the native place of Khariboli.

I have explained Urdu, its origin and kharibolis linkage with Urdu many times before and you have read it. Move on.

My origins are known to me please.

 

[my2cents]

OK answer this:

What's the price of Kashmir to Indians, is it really worth $billions of dollars and all that tension. Suppose Pakistani goverment paid India $200bln dollars, would you be prepared to give up Indian Kashmir?

And this is a theoretical question so no trolling please.

You are asking $200 billion for 10% of Kashmir because rest of it is mountains??? Nah.........may be $2000 billion we will think about it!!

 

[Serpentine]

Personally a great nation with great potential held back by less than capable leadership. I don't know how much you love your leadership but frankly you deserve better.

There are good sides and bad sides.I don't think we need another revolution,because they usually put countries years back in economy,politics and regional affairs.
We have some big problems that will be solved by major reforms.

 

[harpoon]

There are good sides and bad sides.I don't think we need another revolution,because they usually put countries years back in economy,politics and regional affairs.
We have some big problems that will be solved by major reforms.

Yeah..seeing the many videos about Iranian youth, I am certain that once the current Mullahs die, Iran will be better off as the Iranian youth is much more liberal than their forefathers. I don't know what good sides you see in current regime but I see a nation with very few friends held back in reaching its full potential.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

There are good sides and bad sides.I don't think we need another revolution,because they usually put countries years back in economy,politics and regional affairs.
We have some big problems that will be solved by major reforms.

I agree with you. There is no need for any revolution, not the violent upheaval kind anyway. What is needed is for people to articulate their voice through all the means available to them, the vote being just one of them.
Otherwise, the day when the Ayatollahs and the Hojateslam bunch go just back to their religious duties; will be the best day for Modern Iran. Just as the Shahs and similar feudals are irrelevant to Iran.

 

[INDIC]

I have explained Urdu, its origin and kharibolis linkage with Urdu many times before and you have read it. Move on.

My origins are known to me please.

My question is how can Pakistan claim Urdu when they don't want to link themselves with India as well neither mongols or Turks claim Urdu. Also there are no words from Pashto, Punjabi or Sindhi in Urdu language.

 

[doublemaster]

Yeah..seeing the many videos about Iranian youth, I am certain that once the current Mullahs die, Iran will be better off as the Iranian youth is much more liberal than their forefathers. I don't know what good sides you see in current regime but I see a nation with very few friends held back in reaching its full potential.

You need to respect what they want to respect. You should read once how they answered our questions in their thread.
Fool.

 

[ice_man]

Why did Saddam go? Because of Kuwait or Americans? Its Americans who disposed him; but the reason his obsession with Kuwait. He should have quit the moment US was coming to gulf and could have saved himself. Marathas & Nizam at that time acted like Saudi's and Turkey giving full support as they had more faith in US than Saddam.
Moral: Short-sighted greed.

Ok so you stuck to religious rant of old times: Your narrow minded view will take time to broaden your horizon. I hope you have educated yourself about India.

Now for your whims and fancies (from the top of my head): Have you heard of
a) Ibrahim Gardi - he was the artillary general of Marathas
b) Daryadarang - Chief of maratha navy.
c) Baba yakut - one spiritual leader of Marathas
d) Raj man singh - allay with Akbar and fought against rajputs.
e) Hemu (who was defeated by Akbar) was commanding afghan army
f) Raja jaisingh was the vassal of Aurangzeb who led his afghan campaign; rescued the royal prince from afghans. Fought against marathas and defeated them. He was later killed by aurangzeb as he was a powerful hindu general. After this political blunder Auangzeb has to go himself in Deccan died there and within few year Marathas over run delhi and in few years went till Afghanistan till they were halted by Abdali.

Marathas were the last by your standards "hindu" empire of the India and the last indigenous empire by my standards.

Do you know about Meos . They are living/worshipping and have been growing under the patronage of the rajput rulers since last 800 years. Read their history.

Now since it is expected you will ask about latest particular example of mosque built by a rural as it is the thing that is expected of you in the present state of mind.
Kunwar Singh a Jagiradar in Bihar who fought British in 1857. He built mosque in Arrah for his subjects.

In today's India all the mosques are maintained and constructed by the Central wakf council which comes under ministry of minorities and the grants are given to it by the Govt. of India which inturn gets its from "hindu" India

I believe you are happy now as your Islam is no more in danger in an Alien hindu land

Note: If any of the information is wrong feel free to point out most of them are assortment of some random readings and kindly don't get the ideas that I respected rajput rulers. They are also just history as the other rulers.

firstly it would be nice if you could put some sources into your statement makes it easier to backup facts from opinons.

secondly the point that tipu sultan had hindus in high posts clearly debunks the claim that he was forcing hindus to convert or die:

Shamaiya Iyengar was his Minister of Post and Police, his brother Ranga Iyengar was also an officer, and Purnaiya held the very important post of "Mir Asaf". Moolchand and Sujan Rai were his chief agents at the Mughal court, and his chief "Peshkar", Suba Rao, was also a Hindu.

along with this tipu sultan clearly restored temples, quoting from your previous link:

In 1791, some Maratha horsemen under Raghunath Rao Patwardhan raided the temple and matha of Sringeri Shankaracharya, killing and wounding many, and plundering the monastery of all its valuable possessions. The incumbent Shankaracharya petitioned Tipu Sultan for help. A bunch of about 30 letters written in Kannada, which were exchanged between Tipu Sultan's court and the Sringeri Shankaracharya were discovered in 1916 by the Director of Archaeology in Mysore. Tipu Sultan expressed his indignation and grief at the news of the raid, and wrote:


"People who have sinned against such a holy place are sure to suffer the consequences of their misdeeds at no distant date in this Kali age in accordance with the verse: "Hasadbhih kriyate karma rudadbhir-anubhuyate" (People do evildeeds smilingly but suffer the consequences crying)."



THIS FURTHER DEBUNKS the theory that he loved killing hindus this actually speaks the opposite that he actually came to their rescue!

so unless you can come up with a source to prove that he butchered hindus left right and center and killed them or converted them you will have to accept that he was generous to them protected their temple and actually gave gifts to their temples.


now your last statement about "i am not defending rajputs they were equally as bad" well if that is your belief then why single out tipu sultan??

if rajputs were equally as bad according to YOU (please note not me) then why the singled out hate for one man? is it just because of his religious orientation?

 

[Ticker]

My question is how can Pakistan claim Urdu when they don't want to link themselves with India as well neither mongols or Turks claim Urdu. Also there are no words from Pashto, Punjabi or Sindhi in Urdu language.

You are wrong.

Urdu is linked to old India, and not the current India, as it became a language at the time current India was not in existence. Pashto, Punjabi as well as Sindhi words are part of Urdu.

 

[nForce]

So many civilizations embedded in one place. Excellent - I didn't know this - will have to study Mr. Mazumdar if he also agrees with equating a civilization with an empire.

Thank you indeed for this piece of information.

I really dont know how much fruitful your venture is going to be if you start with the presumption that an empire has been equated with a civilization,even though I have clearly stated the different civilizations/era beyond any doubt.

Let us start with the basics,shall we? A civilization is a complex collection of societies,peoples,nations,empires that share a common culture,ideas,time and space.
You will find that in my previous post,I have clearly given the different civilizations present in different times,in different geographies,sharing a common culture.I have also given the names of some of the dynasties/empires which are a part of that civilization.As for example the Chola or the Chalukya dynasties are a part of the Dravidian Civilization.
Now..happy reading......

You can start with this :

Ancient India by R.C Majumdar

Its concise...

 

[Ticker]

Do the Indians agree with this statement, made by Gene D. Matlock.

Another problem that western scholars have in identifying the Indo-Europeans as Indians is that India was not then and never was a nation. Furthermore, it is not “India.” It is Bharata, and even Bharata is not a nation. Bharata is a collection of nations, just as Europe is a collection of nations, presently held together by the real or perceived threat of Moslem expansionism. Indian scholars have told me that when and if this expansionism ever disappears, the “Bharata Union” will again splinter into many smaller nations.


Abraham = Brahma; Sarah =Saraswati « Hindu focus

 

[INDIC]

You are wrong.

Urdu is linked to old India, and not the current India, as it became a language at the time current India was not in existence. Pashto, Punjabi as well as Sindhi words are part of Urdu.

Unlike Sindh or West Punjab, Uttar Pradesh is still in new India, not in Pakistan.

 

[Ticker]

I really dont know how much fruitful your venture is going to be if you start with the presumption that an empire has been equated with a civilization,even though I have clearly stated the different civilizations/era beyond any doubt.

Let us start with the basics,shall we? A civilization is a complex collection of societies,peoples,nations,empires that share a common culture,ideas,time and space.
You will find that in my previous post,I have clearly given the different civilizations present in different times,in different geographies,sharing a common culture.I have also given the names of some of the dynasties/empires which are a part of that civilization.As for example the Chola or the Chalukya dynasties are a part of the Dravidian Civilization.
Now..happy reading......

You can start with this :

Ancient India by R.C Majumdar

Its concise...

"part of the Dravidian Civilization"

Are you sure sir that there was a Dravidian Civilization - Majumdar says that they were part of Indus Valley Civilization.

 

[nForce]

You are wrong.

Urdu is linked to old India, and not the current India, as it became a language at the time current India was not in existence. Pashto, Punjabi as well as Sindhi words are part of Urdu.

You avoided the question.Also,you kind of debunked it with your answer.If Urdu is linked to Old India and not current India,still it does not explain how come it becomes a language claimed by Pakistan while Pakistanis don't want to link themselves with India.It is a worth-mentioning fact that Urdu originated from Khariboli dialect of Delhi region,which,as you know is in current India.