Anti-Indian feelings exist in Bangladesh, says Sharma

[livingdead]

I think your logic is a little misplaced and misdirected. Bangladeshis as a community have largely lost trust on the Indian Govt. They don't mistrust Indians as people - they're not stupid. The cultural connection and exchanges remain strong and Bangladesh is not turning Taliban anytime soon. But public mood is heavily tilted against India. Mr. Sharma is just being 'Captain Obvious' in drawing attention to it. But as one of India's ambassadors - its his failing (as was of his many predecessors).

Respect begets respect. Once India stops the 'big brother' attitude, things will turn. But its not happening yet. Bangladeshis are justly proud of their sovereignty, homogeneous culture and are fiercely independent. Any Indian attitudes that challenge these perceptions will face a rebuff.

The stepmotherly actions (bimata-shulov achoron) of the Indian Govt. at every turn speaks volumes about India's policy on engagement (some would say mis-engagement) with Bangladesh. Transit, Farakka, Teesta, Border killings are all hot button flare-up issues exploited by opportunists on both sides of the border. These issues are probably of increasingly smaller import in India - but In Bangladesh these issues mean a lot.

The Indian Govt.'s inactivity on the aftermath of every event whether PR-related or actual (sometimes because of the Mamata stalemate) has soured people on Indian govt. intentions and planning. So much so - that people (by now the third generation of Bangladeshis being brought up in this environment) are heavily jaded on this lowbrow sequence of events perpetrated by the Indian Govt. and don't expect any better. The Indian Govt. has a long way to go if it wants to patch up relations in Bangladesh.

Not only is the Indian Govt. not trying to remedy this mistrust - they are involving themselves in worse and worse activity (Pilkhana Army massacre in Dhaka being the latest example). These misplaced draconian policies and plans made at Lodhi Road in New Delhi speak volumes about the incompetence of Indian external intelligence and the resultant public fallout in Bangladesh.

you sure India was involved in it, or is it your mistrust of India that leads you to believe we might have been behind it.

 

[Md Akmal]

India was no. 1 external enemy before 1971 and after 1971.

after 1971, India became both external and internal enemy. that is what the anti-Indian feeling is probably about

Bangladeshis will always adhere to Lahore Resolution or keep going back to the principles it was supposed to be a self-determining Muslim nation. so what is India going to do about it, pull off another 1971?

@ India cannot be our friend. It is absurd. It is being proved historically. They are conspiring against us each and every moment and it will continue.

@ Friendship with India never exist in the soil of Bangladesh. That is why even Sk Mujib never believed India during his crucial days of 1971 rather he surrendered to Pakistani military.

@ What a funny conclusion !

@ Previously, each and every action of Armed Forces were taken considering India as "Foe". Do you have still doubt ? All military exercises were done against India.

 

[Bilal9]

you sure India was involved in it, or is it your mistrust of India that leads you to believe we might have been behind it.

Well logically Indian interests were best served by the events at Pilkhana. Pakistani ISI had nothing to gain from it. After the border events at Chilmari (which were a slap in the face of RAW operatives and command structure by how border forces of a smaller country could operate with such swiftness) they got eager for revenge - the event was about three or more years too late given Indian Govt. lethargy. They figured that BDR commanders were all 'ISI agents' and had to be 'neutralized'.

However the planning took time for Indians and the Army administration was still caught with its pants down right in its home turf even though they were expecting it for a while. What the Army did not expect was the sheer boldness, guts and comprehensiveness by which the Hasina administration allowed foreign intelligence operatives of another country plan such an event right in Bangladesh. It was a lesson for the Army top brass.

This amount of 'gaddari' has not been seen since the battle of Plessey (Palashi) in Murshidabad when Siraj-Ud-Dowla's General Mirzafar got bribed by the East India Company and various interested (vested) quarters in India and gave up the country. If people call us Gaddars then Hasina proved it well once again. The rest is of course well known to everyone.

 

[RazPaK]

Well logically Indian interests were best served by the events at Pilkhana. Pakistani ISI had nothing to gain from it. After the border events at Chilmari (which were a slap in the face of RAW operatives and command structure by how border forces of a smaller country could operate with such swiftness) they got eager for revenge - the event was about three or more years too late given Indian Govt. lethargy. They figured that BDR commanders were all 'ISI agents' and had to be 'neutralized'.

However the planning took time for Indians and the Army administration was still caught with its pants down right in its home turf even though they were expecting it for a while. What the Army did not expect was the sheer boldness, guts and comprehensiveness by which the Hasina administration allowed foreign intelligence operatives of another country plan such an event right in Bangladesh. It was a lesson for the Army top brass.

This amount of 'gaddari' has not been seen since the battle of Plessey (Palashi) in Murshidabad when Siraj-Ud-Dowla's General Mirzafar got bribed by the East India Company and various interested (vested) quarters in India and gave up the country. If people call us Gaddars then Hasina proved it well once again. The rest is of course well known to everyone.

Bangladeshis should come back into the fold of Islam and trust Pakistan. We can overcome the tyrant, together.

 

[livingdead]

Well logically Indian interests were best served by the events at Pilkhana. Pakistani ISI had nothing to gain from it. After the border events at Chilmari (which were a slap in the face of RAW operatives and command structure by how border forces of a smaller country could operate with such swiftness) they got eager for revenge - the event was about three or more years too late given Indian Govt. lethargy. They figured that BDR commanders were all 'ISI agents' and had to be 'neutralized'.

However the planning took time for Indians and the Army administration was still caught with its pants down right in its home turf even though they were expecting it for a while. What the Army did not expect was the sheer boldness, guts and comprehensiveness by which the Hasina administration allowed foreign intelligence operatives of another country plan such an event right in Bangladesh. It was a lesson for the Army top brass.

This amount of 'gaddari' has not been seen since the battle of Plessey (Palashi) in Murshidabad when Siraj-Ud-Dowla's General Mirzafar got bribed by the East India Company and various interested (vested) quarters in India and gave up the country. If people call us Gaddars then Hasina proved it well once again. The rest is of course well known to everyone.

you just joined a series of unrelated events and and filled in unknowns with you own ideas. BDR commanders are ISI operatives? I did not know that.
Besides I was not pointing to ISI anyway, could it not be your own domestic issue (inter service rivalry perhaps). we got them too (army vs bsf) no need to point to ISI or CIA for that.

 

[bitter_truth]

That is not called anti India feelings.. That is called Anti India Burnings..

 

[Luffy 500]

you just joined a series of unrelated events and and filled in unknowns with you own ideas. BDR commanders are ISI operatives? I did not know that.
Besides I was not pointing to ISI anyway, could it not be your own domestic issue (inter service rivalry perhaps). we got them too (army vs bsf) no need to point to ISI or CIA for that.

How is he joining unreleated events? Its widely acknowledged that Pilkhanna massacre was a revenge by India for the 2001 indo-BD border clash. Almost all those who were killed were top ranked army personals. It totally destroyed the army and the BDR at the same time. Also it had long been India's cherished dream to destroy BD's security apparatuses and through pilkhanna they achieved that. Its a documented historical fact that Indira was staunchly against BD even having an Army and forced the then BD gov in exile to agree to it in the initial indo-BD friendship treaty.

 

[livingdead]

How is he joining unreleated events? Its widely acknowledged that Pilkhanna massacre was a revenge by India for the 2001 indo-BD border clash. Almost all those who were killed were top ranked army personals. It totally destroyed the army and the BDR at the same time. Also it had long been India's cherished dream to destroy BD's security apparatuses and through pilkhanna they achieved that. Its a documented historical fact that Indira was staunchly against BD even having an Army and forced the then BD gov in exile to agree to it in the initial indo-BD friendship treaty.

widely acknowledged?.. its only in some bd based newspapers .. and we know how they love to spew venom at India.
Give me a respectable news media that said that.. like Dawn .. or Hindu.. or a western newspaper

 

[Luffy 500]

widely acknowledged?.. its only in some bd based newspapers .. and we know how they love to spew venom at India.
Give me a respectable news media that said that.. like Dawn .. or Hindu.. or a western newspaper

Yeah the Hindu would be credible in this matter? DO u know the kind fabrication and pathetic propaganda indian media resorted to , to downplay the incident and promote falsehood ? Their unnatural enthusiasm gave it away.

Anyway the 1953 overthrow of Mossadeq by CIA, french state involvement in Israel nuclear programme, 1973 coup in chile- truth behind all these political shock waves were widely acknowledged but not impartially reported by intl media during the time of those events. Doesn't mean they never happened. Btw there r very good documents and articles from credible sources freely available online but then u would brush it aside on the grounds that they r BD sources.

Even if one leaves out all the details of the incident and focus only on the political consequences of pilkhanna, from any neutral outside observers POV the major beneficiary of the incident have been India. The incident emboldened AL, a party India traditionally favors and helped it destroy the army completely. AL kicked out plenty of high ranking officials from army after that and silenced any critic, eliminated an efficient org like BDR and replaced it with a awami cadre based force like BGB. Pilkhanna helped India in regaining its lost foothold in BD and have complete dominance over BD, something it always wanted since 1975 and something for which it went to war with PAK in 71.

 

[Bilal9]

Yeah the Hindu would be credible in this matter? DO u know the kind fabrication and pathetic propaganda indian media resorted to , to downplay the incident and promote falsehood ? Their unnatural enthusiasm gave it away.

Anyway the 1953 overthrow of Mossadeq by CIA, french state involvement in Israel nuclear programme, 1973 coup in chile- truth behind all these political shock waves were widely acknowledged but not impartially reported by intl media during the time of those events. Doesn't mean they never happened. Btw there r very good documents and articles from credible sources freely available online but then u would brush it aside on the grounds that they r BD sources.

Even if one leaves out all the details of the incident and focus only on the political consequences of pilkhanna, from any neutral outside observers POV the major beneficiary of the incident have been India. The incident emboldened AL, a party India traditionally favors and helped it destroy the army completely. AL kicked out plenty of high ranking officials from army after that and silenced any critic, eliminated an efficient org like BDR and replaced it with a awami cadre based force like BGB. Pilkhanna helped India in regaining its lost foothold in BD and have complete dominance over BD, something it always wanted since 1975 and something for which it went to war with PAK in 71.

Luffy you nailed it Sir

I got tired of explaining all this to Indians asking for evidence and wasting my time...

You don't have to find evidence - find the logic and beneficiary. In this case the largest beneficiary is the Indian Govt. If it is the handiwork of Pakistan aka ISI then what the heck was their motivation or what did they gain from it? Nothing.

Indian Govt.-er dosh number angul khuija pawa zaina. Oita permanently kar poshchat deshey aachey ta shobai jaaney.

 

[Bilal9]

widely acknowledged?.. its only in some bd based newspapers .. and we know how they love to spew venom at India.
Give me a respectable news media that said that.. like Dawn .. or Hindu.. or a western newspaper

Dada BD-based newspaper even Jamati ones talk about India in more or less respectful terms. They might whine about Indian stepmotherly attitudes on pending issues but never in non-objective terms. That is not the case in India. You forget that the Bengali sense of propriety and decency (for newspapers) forbids them from 'spew(ing) venom at India'. We don't have the equivalent of the RSS or Shivsena here. They will never get the support.

Also - Newspapers (of all people) are acutely aware of the consequences of bad-mouthing India when Hasina Govt. is in power.

 

[Hyperion]

It maybe due to insatiable Bengali thirst for Indian beef?

 

[Mike_Brando]

It maybe due to insatiable Bengali thirst for Indian beef?

Nah i think they are trying to bite the hands that are feeding them.Maybe it's time to block the Farakka Barrage,these Jamatis need to be taught a lesson or two for their arrogance.We just have to cut off their water supply,maybe it's time for us to show them their real place in the world order

 

[Hyperion]

For stabbing us in the back, their real place in new world order is under the bay of bengal................but, before that, no more MO-CHI for them!

Nah i think they are trying to bite the hands that are feeding them.Maybe it's time to block the Farakka Barrage,these Jamatis need to be taught a lesson or two for their arrogance.We just have to cut off their water supply,maybe it's time for us to show them their real place in the world order

 

[Armstrong]

For stabbing us in the back, their real place in new world order is under the bay of bengal................but, before that, no more MO-CHI for them!

So Uncle had his butt handed to him in East Pakistan or was it the other way around ?

And when this was happening where the heck were you ?