Another US citizen hunts markhor

[VCheng]

I am surprised an otherwise well-informed and mart person like you would be so uninformed about the Markhor hunting in Pakistan. There have been plenty of threads in this forum alone where the benefits of such regulated hunting are clearly visible to not just the local population but also to the Markhor population as well. The locals have a vested interest in keeping a healthy Markhor population, thus greatly reducing poaching. Not to mention the cascading effects of tourism in Pakistan.
The Markhors may not be 'endangered' before long because of the regulated hunting. Irony, isn't it?! Similarly, there ARE regulated wolf and even bear hunting in USA/Canada.

BTW, the chest-thumping patriotic Pakistanis here should know that the regulated hunting is open to anyone who's willing to pay the high $ amount and applies for the license at the right time.

Having said that...I wouldn't personally even kill a rabbit, let alone such beautiful creatures.

It is still a very small population of animals that should be safeguarded IMO, not "healthy" by any means:

https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/3787/97218336

 

[Jinn Baba]

$€£

 

[American Pakistani]

Pakistanis should be ashamed. Allowing foreigners to kill their national animal just for some money. Wow.

After your trolling I wanna say,

It is called regulated hunting, something that we should not have done for mutki terrorists for sure and annihilated them like ttp before leaving.

Scumbags hunts for trophy
Its ok if its for food

This is regulated hunting which has actually bring this rare animal from "brink of extinction" to "threatened" species.

https://sites.utexas.edu/wildlife/2014/11/25/hunting-saves-a-the-markhor/

Furthermore, due to older males the younger ones have very less opportunities to mate resulting in even less birth rate. And the older doesn't have much to contribute in growth. It is due to this regulated hunting that their population is now touching almost 30,000.

Now before you all get your nickers in a knot, scientific research has determined the vast majority of trophy animals are at the end of their life span, have contributed all they are going to contribute to the gene pool, and are actually limiting opportunities for younger males to refresh the gene pool (in other words, the herds end up becoming quite incestuous and interbred – actually harming herd health).

Despite the Disney images of the animal kingdom, these older males do not live out their golden years in peace, dying peacefully under a tree surrounded by a loving herd.

Instead, they often die of starvation because their teeth are so badly worn down they can no longer feed properly, they become easy game for predators, or they are challenged, defeated and killed by the younger males.

https://www.huntshack.net/hunting/h...e-markhor-in-pakistan-conservation-in-action/

From near extinction, sources said, the Markhor population was now reported to be almost 30,000 heads.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/185488...ree-markhor-trophy-hunting-licences-go-rs10m/

@VCheng

 

[Meengla]

It is still a very small population of animals that should be safeguarded IMO, not "healthy" by any means:

https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/3787/97218336

But, sir, it's being safeguarded from the poachers! Some other members here are more informed than me as to how such hunting is regulated and has contributed to the over-all health of the human and Markhor communities. Otherwise, you know... The locals are as gritty and determined to not lose their Markhor $s as the poachers are to poach the Markhors.

 

[VCheng]

But, sir, it's being safeguarded from the poachers! Some other members here are more informed than me as to how such hunting is regulated and has contributed to the over-all health of the human and Markhor communities. Otherwise, you know... The locals are as gritty and determined to not lose their Markhor $s as the poachers are to poach the Markhors.

If it helps the animals, then may be you are right. But the markhor remains on the Red List, and hence worthy of any any and all protection that can be provided.

 

[Neptune_]

After your trolling I wanna say,
It is called regulated hunting, something that we should not have done for mutki terrorists for sure and annihilated them like ttp before leaving

Yes, ridiculing a country that allows its national animal to get killed for sport by foreigners in return for some $$$ is considered as trolling. LOL.

And for the later part of ur post, yes, i know that u guys r only capable of preying on those who r weak and defenseless. U wont have to mention it yet again.


Hence, u should consider urself lucky u r doing this injustice against these poor, defenseless rare creatures.
If they knew how to fight back, then most probably u would have again ran back to Islamabad like a chicken and begged for the lives of 93K

 

[American Pakistani]

Yes, ridiculing a country that allows its national animal to get killed for sport by foreigners in return for some $$$ is considered as trolling. LOL.

And for the later part of ur post, yes, i know that u guys r only capable of preying on those who r weak and defenseless. U wont have to mention it yet again.


Hence, u should consider urself lucky u r doing this injustice against these poor, defenseless rare creatures.
If they knew how to fight back, then most probably u would have again ran back to Islamabad like a chicken and begged for the lives of 93K

Yes we are killing our national animal. What are you gonna do about it except b1tch crying? Are you again beg your bharat master to bless you?

As for lucky, you must be really considering yourself lucky as you don't share border with Pakistan, else your terrorist mutkia would be fkd and annihilated just like we did with ttp and bla which were supported by your master and neighbouring puppet like you.

Now go sell a chaddi or lungi as ordered by your hasena regime.

 

[Shahzaz ud din]

Pakistanis should be ashamed. Allowing foreigners to kill their national animal just for some money. Wow.

For better way of making money than sending 500,000 Bangladeshi girls and women to India every year to work in the brothels.

 

[Syed1.]

BC mazaq hi lagayawa hai

 

[Well.wisher]

Wasn't it more better to keep that markhor alive and give it a US citizenship for a better wildlife .

 

[ghazi52]

American national hunts Kashmir Markhor

December 16, 2019

American trophy hunter Joe Lawrence Walreven with his prized kill in Toshi game reserve, Chitral. — Dawn


CHITRAL: An American hunter killed a Kashmir Markhor in Toshi Conservancy in Lower Chitral as trophy hunting after obtaining permit from the wildlife department for $140,000.

The divisional forest officer of wildlife division, Mohammad Idrees, told Dawn here on Sunday that the American national, Joe Lawrence Walreven, hunted down the 48-inch long markhor in the conservancy.

He said that the 82-year-old hunter faced no difficulty in finding an animal for hunting as he spotted and earmarked a 10-year-old markor within an hour after he disembarked from his vehicle on Garam Chashma Road near Chitral city.

“He wasted no time in shooting the animal and he accomplished it skillfully. He fired a shot at the markhor from a distant range by his Remington rifle,” said the official. He added that the animal fell down instantly.

The DFO said that 80 per cent of the income from hunting permits went to the local community that utilised it for collective development purposes through the village conservation committees (VCCs).

He said that the population of the national animal (markhor) increased greatly during the recent years in different areas of the lower part of the district after the local people were organised into VCCs to work for conservation of wildlife.

Published in Dawn, December 16th, 2019

 

[maximuswarrior]

American national hunts Kashmir Markhor

December 16, 2019

American trophy hunter Joe Lawrence Walreven with his prized kill in Toshi game reserve, Chitral. — Dawn


CHITRAL: An American hunter killed a Kashmir Markhor in Toshi Conservancy in Lower Chitral as trophy hunting after obtaining permit from the wildlife department for $140,000.

The divisional forest officer of wildlife division, Mohammad Idrees, told Dawn here on Sunday that the American national, Joe Lawrence Walreven, hunted down the 48-inch long markhor in the conservancy.

He said that the 82-year-old hunter faced no difficulty in finding an animal for hunting as he spotted and earmarked a 10-year-old markor within an hour after he disembarked from his vehicle on Garam Chashma Road near Chitral city.

“He wasted no time in shooting the animal and he accomplished it skillfully. He fired a shot at the markhor from a distant range by his Remington rifle,” said the official. He added that the animal fell down instantly.

The DFO said that 80 per cent of the income from hunting permits went to the local community that utilised it for collective development purposes through the village conservation committees (VCCs).

He said that the population of the national animal (markhor) increased greatly during the recent years in different areas of the lower part of the district after the local people were organised into VCCs to work for conservation of wildlife.

Published in Dawn, December 16th, 2019

Americans are just peaceful people.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Who accepted the Yankee's corrupting money to hunt? Surely that party is not blameless.

Humans in general regardless of their nationality(or anything else like that) are to blame. Look at other examples of animal poaching...if the foreigners don't do it then the locals do it for money. So even if these foreigners weren't permitted to do this...some locals might for a quick buck...even if illegal.

At least this way...hunters(personally I don't agree with hunting animals) can be allowed to bid for hunting licenses...and the money can go to preserving the habitat(or restoring the destroyed habitat) and the general welfare of the endangered animal. Locals this way also have an incentive to protect the animal and gain awareness.

If on the other hand Pak had tried to impose harsh punishments and fines...and dedicate police or Park Rangers or some other enforcement agencies...it would've just cost money...and may not have been a 100% successful(due to bribes and what not) as seen in other preservation efforts. So all in all I would say it's for the best given the circumstances. Ideally I would like it if ppl just didn't hunt animals at all...it's pointless to kill them "just for fun". We r no longer the hunter gatherers who need to hunt for survival.

 

[IceCold]

Markhor is our national animal and a source of pride. This $hit needs to stop.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

American national hunts Kashmir Markhor

December 16, 2019

American trophy hunter Joe Lawrence Walreven with his prized kill in Toshi game reserve, Chitral. — Dawn


CHITRAL: An American hunter killed a Kashmir Markhor in Toshi Conservancy in Lower Chitral as trophy hunting after obtaining permit from the wildlife department for $140,000.

The divisional forest officer of wildlife division, Mohammad Idrees, told Dawn here on Sunday that the American national, Joe Lawrence Walreven, hunted down the 48-inch long markhor in the conservancy.

He said that the 82-year-old hunter faced no difficulty in finding an animal for hunting as he spotted and earmarked a 10-year-old markor within an hour after he disembarked from his vehicle on Garam Chashma Road near Chitral city.

“He wasted no time in shooting the animal and he accomplished it skillfully. He fired a shot at the markhor from a distant range by his Remington rifle,” said the official. He added that the animal fell down instantly.

The DFO said that 80 per cent of the income from hunting permits went to the local community that utilised it for collective development purposes through the village conservation committees (VCCs).

He said that the population of the national animal (markhor) increased greatly during the recent years in different areas of the lower part of the district after the local people were organised into VCCs to work for conservation of wildlife.

Published in Dawn, December 16th, 2019

140,000 thats more income then 20 average pakistanis so this man contributed a lot of money to pakitan's economy. Not only will that money help build makhors population but build economy of the region.
I dont know why some pakistanis are complaining. now if he was hunting for free then this bitching is valid.