Another uprising brewing in Tamilnadu

[Josef K]

ok, I don't have any answer for Tamil dhesiyavaadham.

but if You know share me the details so that i can understand about Tamil dhesiyavaadham,

Don't say search in Google.

Nichchayamaa..I am glad that you asked. I will share with you anything that I have understood about Tamil nationalism owing to my decade long association with that. I am glad that you are asking about it and admitting that you don't have an answer unlike that other guy who is just here yapping arrogantly and running away like a coward spoiling the names of real Maravars.

However, I will post this stuff in another thread and tag you there. Will write it in Tamil because I am more comfortable with that.

 

[Chellam]

Nichchayamaa..I am glad that you asked. I will share with you anything that I have understood about Tamil nationalism owing to my decade long association with that. I am glad that you are asking about it and admitting that you don't have an answer unlike that other guy who is just here yapping arrogantly and running away like a coward spoiling the names of real Maravars.

However, I will post this stuff in another thread and tag you there. Will write it in Tamil because I am more comfortable with that.

Thanks,

Waiting for Your post,

Also when I don't know about Some thing i will read about it and understand about it.

i am aged about 30 and In my Life last 3-4 Years only i started reading about indian economy, International Politics and indian Politics But also Not Much of it.

trying to cover as much as before My death and teach Younger Generaton,

My Education Not allowed me to thing More than 4sqft (where i am comfortable then i don't thing other Issue)

 

[Maravan]

Oops seems like, the sanghi wolf expected a response for his retarded logic about thirumal thats stated in tolkappiyam, the other day on a different thread... "Mal" is a pure tamil word, which means black in tamil, and thats the reason all the pics of lord thirumal/tirupathi painted black not in anyother colors. Muthuramalinga thevar is a staunch devotee of tamil god lord muruga, he never gave two heeds to sanghis and their lord ram even though hindu mahasabha were pretty much active during his time. Don't teach me about my own history, go and serve your hindian masters better.

Your twisting logics to fiddle for sanghis don't worth any of my time.. Bug off..

Thanks,

Waiting for Your post,

Also when I don't know about Some thing i will read about it and understand about it.

i am aged about 30 and In my Life last 3-4 Years only i started reading about indian economy, International Politics and indian Politics But also Not Much of it.

trying to cover as much as before My death and teach Younger Generaton,

My Education Not allowed me to thing More than 4sqft (where i am comfortable then i don't thing other Issue)

If you are interested about real history of tamils, read the books of Dr.Clyde winters, an african american archeologist, don't go with hindian or tamil authors. They would be hardly unbiased.. And if you are interested in history, i would recommend you to spend much time on egyptiansearch forum, where most of the articles, discussions are done by archeologists.

 

[Josef K]

Oops seems like, the sanghi wolf expected a response for his retarded logic about thirumal thats stated in tolkappiyam, the other day on a different thread... "Mal" is a pure tamil word, which means black in tamil, and thats the reason all the pics of lord thirumal/tirupathi painted black not in anyother colors.

Your usual dose of conspiracy theory. Why is that Mal being described with the same attributes of Vishnu in Sangam literature?

Paripatal calls him "Vedhaththu Marai". So, what does that mean? Tamil literature calls him as the essence of Vedas.

He is also called Maayon in Tolkappiyam. Maayon is a word with clear Sanskrit roots. Krishna is considered MAya Kannan because he is associated with Maya which by the way is purely a Sanskrit word.

And even from your own admission, Mal means black. Krishna also means black. Mal is the exact translation of the word Krishna from Sanskrit. So Krishna = Mal.

"Mal" is a pure tamil word, which means black in tamil, and thats the reason all the pics of lord thirumal/tirupathi painted black not in anyother colors

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/475692779364663808/

That is the image of Krishna from Puri. Tell me what colour that is. So, you are only strengthening my point.

Muthuramalinga thevar is a staunch devotee of tamil god lord muruga,

Thevar history clearly tells that he was influenced by Ramayana and Mahabharata. He was also a follower of Vallalar and Vivekananda. Your lies don't hold water because Thevar himself said "dhesiyamum dheiveegamum enadhu iru kangal". He was clearly against Dravidian parties because of his support for Indian nationalism and Hindu spirituality. If you are trying the twist that Thevar worshipped Murugan alone, you are making yourself a laughing stock.

And what about my other points about how Marudu brothers served Tirumalai Nayak and Arcot Nawab? And what about Tirukkural mentioning Hindu god? And what about Varuna mentioned by exact Sanskrit name in Tolkappiyam? No answers?

Your twisting logics to fiddle for sanghis don't worth any of my time.. Bug off..

ithu enna unga appan veettu forum ah? nee thappa ethavathu sonnaa, naan atha inga kaamippen. unaala thaanga mudiyalenna pochcha moodittu podaa porambokku. padhil sollath thuppille. bug off aam.

ithula thimiru vera. entha schoolukku da pona? ivlo sodhappala history padichittu vanthirukkura?

Dr.Clyde winters

@Chellam Clyde Winters is a conspiracy theorist. If you want to read real history there are renowned historians. Reading him will be like reading about how Jesus lived in India.

 

[Maravan]

Your usual dose of conspiracy theory. Why is that Mal being described with the same attributes of Vishnu in Sangam literature?

Paripatal calls him "Vedhaththu Marai". So, what does that mean? Tamil literature calls him as the essence of Vedas.

He is also called Maayon in Tolkappiyam. Maayon is a word with clear Sanskrit roots. Krishna is considered MAya Kannan because he is associated with Maya which by the way is purely a Sanskrit word.

And even from your own admission, Mal means black. Krishna also means black. Mal is the exact translation of the word Krishna from Sanskrit. So Krishna = Mal.




https://www.pinterest.com/pin/475692779364663808/

That is the image of Krishna from Puri. Tell me what colour that is. So, you are only strengthening my point.



Thevar history clearly tells that he was influenced by Ramayana and Mahabharata. He was also a follower of Vallalar and Vivekananda. Your lies don't hold water because Thevar himself said "dhesiyamum dheiveegamum enadhu iru kangal". He was clearly against Dravidian parties because of his support for Indian nationalism and Hindu spirituality. If you are trying the twist that Thevar worshipped Murugan alone, you are making yourself a laughing stock.

And what about my other points about how Marudu brothers served Tirumalai Nayak and Arcot Nawab? And what about Tirukkural mentioning Hindu god? And what about Varuna mentioned by exact Sanskrit name in Tolkappiyam? No answers?



ithu enna unga appan veettu forum ah? nee thappa ethavathu sonnaa, naan atha inga kaamippen. unaala thaanga mudiyalenna pochcha moodittu podaa porambokku. padhil sollath thuppille. bug off aam.

ithula thimiru vera. entha schoolukku da pona? ivlo sodhappala history padichittu vanthirukkura?



@Chellam Clyde Winters is a conspiracy theorist. If you want to read real history there are renowned historians. Reading him will be like reading about how Jesus lived in India.

Aravekaatu koothi annaiku puluthi maathiri enakku paadam edutha eppadi paesanum nu, unakkum unga otha appan ippadi thaan paesa solli kuduthaangala?
Pundai, pocha nee saathu, ooru paera solla kooda bayanthu annaikku sootha moodikittu odunavan thaana nee?

The roots of hinduism traced to vedas, where indra is the supreme god. No other modern day hindu god have a role to play in vedas. Yeah, hyder ali also fought for velunachiyar, so he is a slave of velunachiyar like maruthus were slave. Muthuramalinga thevar worked for forward block party, a politically left wing party.

Aama history maatu moothuram kudikkuravangalukku thaan nalla theriyum, avanga kitta kelunga history pathi.

 

[Josef K]

Aravekaatu koothi annaiku puluthi maathiri enakku paadam edutha eppadi paesanum nu, unakkum unga otha appan ippadi thaan paesa solli kuduthaangala?
Pundai, pocha nee saathu, ooru paera solla kooda bayanthu annaikku sootha moodikittu odunavan thaana nee?

aamaandaa....eppadi pesanumnu paadam eduthen. aanaa athukku padhil kooda sollaadhi kenappundaikku ithukku mela ethukku mariyadhannu thaan unga aathaakaariyum neeyum eppadi pesuveengalo, antha baashayilaye pesinen.

The roots of hinduism traced to vedas, where indra is the supreme god. No other modern day hindu god have a role to play in vedas

ithunaala enna solla varra? Varuna is mentioned in Vedas. And he is mentioned by this exact name in Tolkappiyam. Indra vila was celebrated in poompuhar. So ancient Tamils worshiped Vedic gods. So case is proven that Tamil religion was from Vedas. Also, Shiva and Vishnu are mentioned in Vedas. Go and read again.

like maruthus were slave.

Good that you accept. Othukkittaa seri dhaan.

Muthuramalinga thevar worked for forward block party, a politically left wing party.

Politically left wing. Socially right wing. Did or did he not say "dhesiyamum dheiveegamum enathu iru kangal?" Did or did he not become a follower of Subhash Chandra Bose? Did or did he not hold Vivekananda, Vallalar and Hindu icons in high regard?

avanga kitta kelunga history pathi.

Thulukkan sunni kanjiya sappi kudikkaravan ellaam atha paththi solla vendaam. Pera endaa Maravannu vechuttu Thevara paththi thappaana seithiya solra. Thulukkannu maathikko. Adhaan unakku sariyaa irukkum.

ooru paera solla

Naan enna vela vetti illaama unna maathiri oora suthittaa irukkuren. I am in a place without freedom of speech, with my family. And I say things controversial. Inga anonymous aa illaama vera eppadi irukka mudiyum. Motta paya unakku oru prechanayum illa. Kudumbam irukkaravanukku thaandaa theriyum the importance of anonymity.

 

[Maravan]

aamaandaa....eppadi pesanumnu paadam eduthen. aanaa athukku padhil kooda sollaadhi kenappundaikku ithukku mela ethukku mariyadhannu thaan unga aathaakaariyum neeyum eppadi pesuveengalo, antha baashayilaye pesinen.


ithunaala enna solla varra? Varuna is mentioned in Vedas. And he is mentioned by this exact name in Tolkappiyam. Indra vila was celebrated in poompuhar. So ancient Tamils worshiped Vedic gods. So case is proven that Tamil religion was from Vedas. Also, Shiva and Vishnu are mentioned in Vedas. Go and read again.


Good that you accept. Othukkittaa seri dhaan.


Politically left wing. Socially right wing. Did or did he not say "dhesiyamum dheiveegamum enathu iru kangal?" Did or did he not become a follower of Subhash Chandra Bose? Did or did he not hold Vivekananda, Vallalar and Hindu icons in high regard?

Thulukkan sunni kanjiya sappi kudikkaravan ellaam atha paththi solla vendaam. Pera endaa Maravannu vechuttu Thevara paththi thappaana seithiya solra. Thulukkannu maathikko. Adhaan unakku sariyaa irukkum.

Onbothu pundaigulukku bathil solla solli tharala thevan veetla, maatu moothuram kudikkuravan kanjiya nakki kuduikkura onbothu pundaigalukku ippadi thaan bathil sollanum nu sollirukaanga..

Muthururamalinga thevar entha edathulayum maatu moothuram kudukkira kaavi pundaigalukku vakkalathu vaangunathu kedaiyaathu...

Aenda ooru vittu ooru poyi thulukkan kanjiya thaana arabu naatula poyi oombi kudichu kittu irukka? Aen inga irukkura thulukkan kanji unakku pathalaya? Paathu anga onbothu pundaigala kandaa sootha kilichuruvaangalaam, paathu pallu padama avangalukku anga oombu.. Arabu naatula ottagam maeikkuravan poola oombi polaikkura unakkae thimiru irukkum pothu, enakku aenda irukkathu..

 

[Josef K]

Muthururamalinga thevar entha edathulayum maatu moothuram kudukkira kaavi pundaigalukku vakkalathu vaangunathu kedaiyaathu...

Ithukku mattum padhil solludaa....pinna ethukku daa Thevar, Bose thodanguna forward bloc party la irunthaaru. Bose was an ardent nationalist and a proud Hindu. So was Thevar. Their friendship was formed on the basis of that. Do you have an answer?

 

[Maravan]

Ithukku mattum padhil solludaa....pinna ethukku daa Thevar, Bose thodanguna forward bloc party la irunthaaru. Bose was an ardent nationalist and a proud Hindu. So was Thevar. Their friendship was formed on the basis of that. Do you have an answer?

Thevar madurai layae tholilaargalukkuga porattam panni jail ku ponavar da, avaru ulaikkura varkkathu eppavum support pannavaru da, avaru sothu poorathayum ulaikkura aelai vargathukkae kuduthavaru da.. Athanaala idathusaari iyakkamana forward block la sernthaaru... Suthuthanthuram vaangurathukku munnadi irunthu hindutva kootam irunthaalum avanga kooda saeraathavaru, oru muslim pennaala paal ooti valarkka pattavaru..

Thevarum aayutha poratam thaan nammala kaapathum nu subash maathiri nenacharu, kuttra parambarai nu piramalai kallargala muthurai kuthuna vellaikaaranoda alavillatha thuyarathil iruntha makkala kaapatha aayatha poraattam thaan orae vali nu nenachaaru, athanaala subash kooda sernthaaru..

 

[Saradiel]

Mother language to Hindi? Let's talk about this first. I know more than you do about Tamil history. So let's start from the beginning. Tell me this. What is the oldest script in which Tamil was written?

So what is the oldest script?

 

[manlion]

Varuna is mentioned in Vedas. And he is mentioned by this exact name in Tolkappiyam. Indra vila was celebrated in poompuhar. So ancient Tamils worshiped Vedic gods. So case is proven that Tamil religion was from Vedas. Also, Shiva and Vishnu are mentioned in Vedas. Go and read again.-

Refer to : Pre-Aryan Tamil Culture – P.T. Srinivasa Iyengar (available online in PDF format )

The 5 classes , their modes of life and religious practices (page 22 )

"So great is the prejudice in favour of North Indian origin of everything connected with religion that to claim the Indiran of Marudam as a Tamil God independent of the Indra of the Aryas is sure to raise as violent a burst of opposition as Indra's own burst of the thunder cloud" page 27

"maya was coined from Tamil root word ..... Tamil possesses a root that exactly suits the word and that is 'may' to be astonished , to vanish from sight" page 29

btw can you post the Vedic mantras praising Siva ?

 

[Nilgiri]

you are dealing with Hindutva poster boys hypocrisy - their silent apartheid against Dalit Hindus - untouchability , ban on temple entry, social segregation etc

Uttarakhand Dalits demand entry into temples, spark fears of conflict

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...ears-of-conflict/story-HXr6kxW0izxrZFzDs4TGXN

this should answer Hindutva wolves , playing the religious card to divide Tamils

Read out + translate the bottom line in the video link. Oh wait you cant

 

[manlion]

Protest enter its 14th day, protesters getting innovative and have vowed to bring India down

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=1618813228180879

 

[Josef K]

Thevar madurai layae tholilaargalukkuga porattam panni jail ku ponavar da, avaru ulaikkura varkkathu eppavum support pannavaru da, avaru sothu poorathayum ulaikkura aelai vargathukkae kuduthavaru da.. Athanaala idathusaari iyakkamana forward block la sernthaaru... Suthuthanthuram vaangurathukku munnadi irunthu hindutva kootam irunthaalum avanga kooda saeraathavaru, oru muslim pennaala paal ooti valarkka pattavaru..

Thevarum aayutha poratam thaan nammala kaapathum nu subash maathiri nenacharu, kuttra parambarai nu piramalai kallargala muthurai kuthuna vellaikaaranoda alavillatha thuyarathil iruntha makkala kaapatha aayatha poraattam thaan orae vali nu nenachaaru, athanaala subash kooda sernthaaru..

The following are speeches made by Thevar and are available on YouTube:

: Here Thevar talks about his affinity towards Hindu goddesses Parashakti, Lakshmi, Saraswati and also praises the service done by Swami Vivekananda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cG8fsjbox8 : Here Thevar talks about Yoga, Kundalini, Chakras and also about Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Swami Vivekananda.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lqsaVKtqdu8 : This is a collection of many of his speeches. Here Thevar makes scathing attacks on Communists. Talks about Bharata Mata and how he wanted to fight for her independence using armed struggle. He is showing his spirit of nationalism towards Bharata Mata.

This is the transcript of Thevar's first speech in Parliament http://tamil.webdunia.com/literature-history/மு‌த்துராம‌லி‌ங்க-தேவ‌ர்-உரை-109103000124_1.html .

Here he makes a very emotional appeal for establishing the sovereignty of India and for a strong Indian Army while making a scathing attack on Pakistan and also about Kashmir. He also mentions how the govt. is wrong to brush aside someone as communal if he talks about Hinduism.


This is the Thevar that everyone knows. An ardent nationalist with deep commitment towards Hinduism and the sovereignty of India.

Every biography of Thevar, every speech made by him, every anecdote about him point to the fact that he was fiercely nationalistic, proudly Hindu and fiercely against anyone who spoke about separatism.

And you are telling me that Thevar was only committed for the worker's cause and not for Bharata Mata and he allied with Bose only because of armed struggle and not because of his nationalism.

Either you are knowingly lying or you are extremely ignorant about Thevar. Inga paaru. Nee Indiava paththi enna venaalum pesu. Hinduism paththi enna venaalum sollikko. Thevar is someone I worship everyday. His picture is next to my grandparents and my mother's. Ithukku mela nee Thevara paththi poi sonnennaa evlo asingamaa pesanumo pesiruven. Thevarap paththi thappaa pesura maravan, onnu unmayiliye maravan illaama thulukkanaa irukkanum. Onnu nee therinje poi solra. Illennaa nee Thevaraip paththi ethuvume theriyaadhavanaa irukkanum.

 

[manlion]

You know squat..
10 blasts within 7 days & you are still quoting me about terrorism..
Typical Pakistani behavior..You should be ashamed of yourself before poking others on terrorism..


He is a despo Pakistani.

RSS/ BJP terrorism has many faces - one of which is igniting communal riots. You know zilch about events or case related to the picture you posted . The murder was to trigger communal violence to enable RSS terrorism claws reach TN.

Murder of Hindu Munnani functionary sparks communal violence in Coimbatore 24/9/16

RSS thugs go on rampage with TN police backing ..