Another Milestone Missed, Panic Button Pushed On Tejas

[BlueDot_in_Space]

Can you give me the source.
pior task was 9g but current task is 8g & current g performance is 6g

Have you done any research on this? do you understand a fully loaded plane cannot do 9gs? even the F35 was restricted to 5gs not much long ago. And performing 9 gs all the time also has adeverse impacts on the structural life of a plane. ADA will soon be testing tejas for 10-15gs to establish that the structure can withstand such loads, if need such conditions arise during a dog fight etc.

 

[Manindra]

Have you done any research on this? do you understand a fully loaded plane cannot do 9gs? even the F35 was restricted to 5gs not much long ago. And performing 9 gs all the time also has adeverse impacts on the structural life of a plane. ADA will soon be testing tejas for 10-15gs to establish that the structure can withstand such loads, if need such conditions arise during a dog fight etc.

I am not saying that Tejas should perform 9g on full load but must perform 8g which currently its can't & F35 mainly relies on its stealth & AESA radar which guides BVRAAM not much on manuerebility for dogfights.

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

I am not saying that Tejas should perform 9g on full load but must perform 8g which currently its can't & F35 mainly relies on its stealth & AESA radar which guides BVRAAM not much on manuerebility for dogfights.

Fully loaded fighter can only perform 5-6gs. F35 is not limited to 5gs because it relies on stealth, but because its FBW FLCS hasnt be certified beyond 5g. Same is the case with LCA being limited to 6gs.

IAF wont suffer by inducting Tejas with 6g performance and later opening up the envelope to 8 gs?

 

[REHAN NIAZI FALCON]

well projects take time ......... don't why indians so much furious ............
this project will provide u people with experience that u will need for future projects

 

[cirr]

Indians have got absolutely nothing to show for themselves，apart from making fun of others through making a complete fool of themselves。

 

[Manindra]

Fully loaded fighter can only perform 5-6gs. F35 is not limited to 5gs because it relies on stealth, but because its FBW FLCS hasnt be certified beyond 5g. Same is the case with LCA being limited to 6gs.

IAF wont suffer by inducting Tejas with 6g performance and later opening up the envelope to 8 gs?

But Tejas can't perform 8g with medium load which should rectified before FOC.

 

[SPFG]

Tejas main problem is that with Super MKI, MKI, PAK FA, RAFALE, MIG29UPG, MIRAGE 2000M, etc. IAF is finding it beneath their dignity to even induct it. Imagine a kid getting the best food and stuff and one day his maid makes an OK - OK chicken dish. Will he eat it? By configurations it is way ahead of JF-17,J-10A(NOT B VERSION),SAAB GRIPEN (OLD ONE),F16 EARLY BLK 30 - 50. But this is India. Anyway atleast IOC - 2 will happen due to QRT team.

'QRT to achieve IOC-2 in four months for Tejas' - The New Indian Express

 

[SPFG]

I believe that India will induct a token number of this plane and a token number of MKII and then cancel the whole program. Just like Arjun.

Arjun - I

became

Arjun II

124 tanks in service, total 248 (124 Mk-II more) tanks ordered. A total of 300-400 Arjun Mk2 tanks may be ordered.

With Chobham style Kanchan armor making it the most heavily armoured tank amongst us and our enemies.

 

[Anony]

jab ye puri tarah banai ga to wsai he outdated ho chuka hoga...

Sayad aap sahi keh rahe hai....lekin ek cheez jo aap batana bhul gaye ki Tejas iss samay bhi aapke junk se koso advance fighter hai

 

[BlueDot_in_Space]

But Tejas can't perform 8g with medium load which should rectified before FOC.

WHy?? That can be achieved even after induction ,1-2 years.

medium or heavy doesnt matter, loaded fighters seldom go beyond 5-6 gs. Its only done in the airshows. in dogfights you will have to drop load especially bombs for 8-9g maneuvers.

 

[Cyberian]

You guys will be better off scrapping this failed project altogether. At least you'll have some honour.

 

[Manindra]

WHy?? That can be achieved even after induction ,1-2 years.

medium or heavy doesnt matter, loaded fighters seldom go beyond 5-6 gs. Its only done in the airshows. in dogfights you will have to drop load especially bombs for 8-9g maneuvers.

In dogfights plane used to shoot not drop the bomb & there requires high g performance & before dropping the bomb plane used to dive there high g performance helps the plane in quick recovering from dive . if plane does not recover quickly from the dive then more chances that it become victim of ground attack.
My guess you thinks that I am Tejas critic but in my opinion is that IAF should not behave like customer but like stakeholder who should appoints specialist in design team who give their feedback immediately not after finalizing prototype.

 

[sancho]

You guys will be better off scrapping this failed project altogether. At least you'll have some honour.

In Suparco City it might be about honour, but in India it's about:

- setting up an own aero industry (check, but will be fully ready only with the start of the licence production)

- developing a modern light class fighter (check, even if it didn't met the goals, it is one of the lightest in it's class, with modern design, materials, coatings, techs and capabilities)

- that is cost-effective and reliable (check, possibly more expensive than planned, but still far cheaper than anything we procure from foreign countries and most likely the cheapest fighter to operate in IAFs future fleet)

- that is not dependent on foreign spare supply (check, most parts are either developed in India, or procured under licence production deals and the aim is to replace more and more foreign parts, like it was done with Dhruv over the years)


LCA as a program is definitely not a failure, because Indian industry gained a lot wrt 4th and 4.5th gen R&D, even if some core projects like the engine development might have failed. The main problem of the project was the overestimations in the project management and plannings, which caused the main part of the delays and not that the fighter itself is bad or not capable. Infact, by choosing foreign techs like radar or engine, LCA is technically even more capable than it might have been with Indian counterparts. The EL 2032 and the GE 414 are not only proven and reliable, but also highly capable, although they will remain medicore only in IAF, just like the LCA will only be a medicore fighter from operational point of views in Indian forces, but it was never meant to be the best, only to have a good baseline standard in design, materials, coatings or techs.

If we can solve the remaining issues and induct it into operational service, it still will be one of South Asias most capable interceptors!

 

[gslv mk3]

You guys will be better off scrapping this failed project altogether. At least you'll have some honour.

What about scrapping SUPARCO???

 

[Anony]

Atleast IAF have option to drop the project unlike PAF, forced to induct junk of 1980's era and announce them their main frontline fighter

You guys will be better off scrapping this failed project altogether. At least you'll have some honour.

For other members, one serious problem with LCA is its Radome. I get the news from insider that they are building it from scratch. Another problem is of overheating of landing brakes which need to be cooled before next sortie i.e. LCA will not able to do two sortie immediately at present but not a big issue, a slight modification need to be done and DRDO & ADA are working to fix it.