And the Indian obsession continues...

[Luca1]

so you accepted you people are liar .... gud ...

Well, they believe that ancient Hindus invented space travel and nuclear fusion. What else can you not expect from them.

 

[Secur]

You can go through the news...the chief hasn't given an official response for the obvious reason
I am explaining because you are presenting only one side of the story which is biased......

That is again your assumption, there is no obvious thing here too. Maybe he doesn't feel like it or thinks a response is unnecessary. Intelligence agencies have been collaborating to a previous unseen levels since the Peshawar incident and even before it. Nothing has "suddenly" changed in the equation.

No, you are rationalizing now. There's no one side of the story, the Afghan leadership has signed an agreement with Pakistan, we are aware of the common Afghan sentiment against our country but that doesn't matter here. Both Governments will work with each other for mutual interests. Period.

 

[waz]

These folks don't understand that this a new era for Pakistan/Afghan relations, that are looking at long-term objectives.

 

[HRK]

Lying and selectively quoting AGAIN.

Only an Indian can deny the original document .... Liar & Hypocrites

 

[The Great One (Mod ver)]

Only an Indian can deny the original document .... Liar & Hypocrites

Liar. It is Pakistan who needs to fulfil its obligation first. Referendum is to be conducted by India but it is contingent upon it gaining temporary jurisdiction over the state.
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When will Pakistan withdraw from the state of J&K(Azad Kashmir)? When will it stop providing material support to terrorists and separatists? Even in UN you were proven a liar when you claimed that you were not providing any support and it was an indigenous uprising of tribesmen and whoever just like the failed Ops Gibraltar and then Kargil. The resolution clearly state that Pakistan need to stop providing support to them which it does till this day.

These folks don't understand that this a new era for Pakistan/Afghan relations, that are looking at long-term objectives.

Even Ghani stated that he can continue this friendly policies only until the end of this year (in US he said few months). As we can see with the Spring Offensive Taliban is in no mood to relent. He is right now receiving on the job training. Just like Karzai, he is reaching out to Pakistan in his initial years and just like him he will leave bitter, angry and frustrated by your countries Good Taliban policy.

 

[45'22']

If this regime changes then the policies will change in matter of seconds

These folks don't understand that this a new era for Pakistan/Afghan relations, that are looking at long-term objectives.

 

[HRK]

Liar. It is Pakistan who needs to fulfil its obligation first. Referendum is to be conducted by India but it is contingent upon it gaining temporary jurisdiction over the state.
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idiotic & ignorant reply at least read some of the previous post of this thread .... Pakistan has fulfilled its obligations under the UN resolution by withdrawing the 'Tribesmen' .... read the attachment ....

When will Pakistan withdraw from the state of J&K?

& for your second point of 'Referendum is not possible because of presence of Pakistani troops in the Kashmir, go & read the Karachi agreement mutually agreed by India & Pakistan under the supervision of UN commission (screen shoot attached under); under which Pakistani Troops can stay in Kashmir. Go & Question to your government about the presence of Pakistani troops in Kashmir you people have no right to object at Pakistan

Now who is the consistent liar ...??

When will it stop providing material support to terrorists and separatists? Even in UN you were proven a liar when you claimed that you were not providing any support and it was an indigenous uprising of tribesmen and whoever just like the failed Ops Gibraltar and then Kargil. The resolution clearly state that Pakistan need to stop providing support to them which it does till this day.

stupid & blind nationalistic ranting ..... nothing else ....

 

[waz]

Even Ghani stated that he can continue this friendly policies only until the end of this year (in US he said few months). As we can see with the Spring Offensive Taliban is in no mood to relent. He is right now receiving on the job training. Just like Karzai, he is reaching out to Pakistan in his initial years and just like him he will leave bitter, angry and frustrated by your countries Good Taliban policy.

I know he has talked like that regrading dealings with the Taliban, but could you please post an article that says in your own words that "friendly policies towards Pakistan will end by the year"?

Many factions of the Taliban are inclined to peace, heck even the formal authority is meeting Iran now a days...

Why did the Taliban go to Tehran? | World news | The Guardian

The spring offensive was launched a month and half ago and they have precious little to show for it. Their offensives have lost their vigour. As for his "on the job training", he is doing a fine job and making the right moves.
As for the comparison to Karzai, there little correlation between the two. Karzai made half-hearted attempt to "reach out" and was known more for his outlandish statements.
Ghani has set the record straight, which has made analysts and strategic experts from India and your political establishment of your country very, very nervous.
As for the good Taliban, you might want to look at the deaths of some of the leading Haqanis in Pakistan over the last several years. Pakistan's ties are at best cordial.
Pakistan has told them to stop attacks and come to the table. They are not listening, even Afghan experts agree.

According to one senior Kabul-based strategic-affairs analyst, the recent attacks signal that Inter-Services Intelligence, Pakistan’s military spy agency, is losing influence over the Taliban. “The Taliban leadership seems to be on its own now. It is not listening to ISI as it used to earlier,” he said, requesting anonymity. “And this is not a good sign.”

Afghanistan peace talks: Taliban flexes its muscles with deadly spate of attacks ahead of meeting with government officials - Asia - World - The Independent

If this regime changes then the policies will change in matter of seconds

It was voted on a wave of popularity. It's not changing anytime soon, and that is a long time.

 

[45'22']

I know he has talked like that regrading dealings with the Taliban, but could you please post an article that says in your own words that "friendly policies towards Pakistan will end by the year"?

Many factions of the Taliban are inclined to peace, heck even the formal authority is meeting Iran now a days...

Why did the Taliban go to Tehran? | World news | The Guardian

The spring offensive was launched a month and half ago and they have precious little to show for it. Their offensives have lost their vigour. As for his "on the job training", he is doing a fine job and making the right moves.
As for the comparison to Karzai, there little correlation between the two. Karzai made half-hearted attempt to "reach out" and was known more for his outlandish statements.
Ghani has set the record straight, which has made analysts and strategic experts from India and your political establishment of your country very, very nervous.
As for the good Taliban, you might want to look at the deaths of some of the leading Haqanis in Pakistan over the last several years. Pakistan's ties are at best cordial.
Pakistan has told them to stop attacks and come to the table. They are not listening, even Afghan experts agree.

According to one senior Kabul-based strategic-affairs analyst, the recent attacks signal that Inter-Services Intelligence, Pakistan’s military spy agency, is losing influence over the Taliban. “The Taliban leadership seems to be on its own now. It is not listening to ISI as it used to earlier,” he said, requesting anonymity. “And this is not a good sign.”

Afghanistan peace talks: Taliban flexes its muscles with deadly spate of attacks ahead of meeting with government officials - Asia - World - The Independent



It was voted on a wave of popularity. It's not changing anytime soon, and that is a long time.

People didn't knew him well enuff then....Afghani's love for Pakistanis is well known......
I will just wait and watch

 

[wiseone2]

Anything, and I mean anything that Pakistan does to improve relationships with other nations, makes "Dehati Aurat" mourn the accomplishment .

Is there anyway this Indian obsession about Pakistan can be reduced?

Af-Pak intelligence tie-up raises eyebrows

NEW DELHI: India is planning a tough response to Afghan President Ashraf Ghani's latest move for an MOU between the Afghan intelligence service (NDS) and Pakistan's infamous ISI, a step that has already created a furore inside Afghanistan. Sources said while New Delhi may not say anything publicly, it has already conveyed its unhappiness.

The deal has been a bit of a surprise. In fact, Ghani's rival-turned coalition partner, Abdullah Abdullah, too was blindsided by the President's outreach to ISI, which is generally regarded as the puppet-master of the Taliban. He had suggested changes in the MOU, but those were not incorporated in the final draft. Even India was in the dark about the agreement, which was presented post facto to the world. The deal may have been signed when Pakistan PM Nawaz Sharif visited Kabul last week.

Former NDS chief Amrullah Saleh tweeted this week: "Intelligence cooperation with ISI means doubting Pakistani duplicity in terror, dishonoring ANDSF's (Afghan National Defense Security Forces) sacrifices and falling in the trap of deception." Ghani's move has coincided with an unusual spike in Taliban violence particularly over the past few days.

Nobody is quite clear about Ghani's logic or his aims, but Indian sources said the deal may have been inspired by the British, who continue to play a role inside Afghanistan. Security sources said it was opposed by the present head of NDS, Rahmatullah Nabil, but he was overruled. Pakistan has long opposed Nabil's presence in NDS, and sources said in recent months, Ghani has been sensitive to Pakistan's objections.

Yet acknowledging the growing backlash, Ghani on Thursday announced the appointment of Masoom Stanekzai as the new defence minister and issued a strongly worded statement to the International Contact Group (ICG). "We will answer war with war, let there be no ambiguity. On a daily basis, I take stock of our security forces, of their well-being and of their orientation. We did not seek war. The war has been imposed on us. But we will overcome this war, let there be no ambiguity," he said. This does not square up with the new deal with Pakistan, which focuses on intelligence cooperation to combat terrorism. Most Afghans believe and they have evidence corroborated by US sources that show the close relationship between Pakistan's ISI and the Afghan Taliban.

Ghani praised Pakistan, particularly Nawaz Sharif's public criticism of Taliban. "We need to see this translated into a programme of action where sanctuary is denied and material support and others [are denied]. It is an extensive programme and we are in good discussions," he said.

However, in the past week, the discomfort inside Afghanistan against the NDS-ISI MOU has only grown. Ghani has openly tried to involve Pakistan in maintaining peace in Afghanistan, including clubbing some recent instances of violence as the work of the Islamic State.

considering all the mischief the ISI has done in Afghanistan it will raise eyebrows

 

[I M Sikander]

considering all the mischief the ISI has done in Afghanistan it will raise eyebrows

Keep on crying and raising your eye brows, who cares

 

[I M Sikander]

Which is neither 'Pakistani' (its American), nor Defense (its a trolling place) and certainly not a forum(more like a kindergarten). We come because we enjoy it, not out of love/hate for Pakistan.

Typical Indian with his typical nonsense logics.
Go and piss on bharat bak bak.com
I mean bharatrakshak.com , with same idiots of your cadre.

 

[I M Sikander]

Fool you lost your edge allowing CCP investment in Azad Kashmir you directly breaks the UN resolution

This issue is officially dead as you sealed your own fate india will use this loophole everywhere when you cry on kashmir USA will support us , russian will remain mum as they do in sino-indian affairs kashmir issue will buried once it for all internationally .

What the correlation between CCP and uno resolutions.
Any way go and use the so called loop holes, who is stopping you.
Kashmirs them self are enough to give pain in Indians butts.

 

[Mujahid Memon]

What obsession? You leave your obsession of Kashmir we leave Pakistan alone forever.

we claim Kashmir. Do you claim Afghanistan ??

india can see that the billions it invested in afghanistan have all gone down the toilet , now it is left with nothing but a badly hurting arse and the unending obsession with Pakistan

hey, dont talk bout toilets here, they feel jealous, ssshhhhh

 

[waz]

People didn't knew him well enuff then....Afghani's love for Pakistanis is well known......
I will just wait and watch

I'm sorry, they knew him well enough. His support is as great as ever, he managed to mend the split with Abdullah, you only need to look at his CV to see he was by far the best candidate for the role.
As for Afghanis love for Pakistan, are you saying they hate Pakistanis? Having taught dozens of Afghan children in the UK, and having got to know their parents, extended families and community leaders, what you say is very questionable.
I agree let's wait, but be prepared to wait for a very long time now. This isn't 10 years ago now.